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Europe Littering up the Solar System....

beefheart said:
First time a lander has ever landed on a comet and transmitted pictures? Yeah, that is a success...and the orbiter, Rosetta was a huge success. We learned a lot.
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Rosetta was a win, but this team seems to have trouble sticking the landing.
 
beefheart said:
Go here: Heavens-Above Heavens-Above

put in your city and click on "Daily predictions for brighter satellites" and select the day and PM and see if it passed by you
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Oh okay, cool. Thanks.

There used to be a local radio talk show host here that was really into all the space stuff. He would always announce ISS sightings. He would do a lot of paranormal and cryptozoology stuff too. Pretty cool dude. Unfortunately, he passed away a few years ago, wasn't all that old either.
 
Fenton said:
Quit while Im behind ? Your'e the one that said " this hasn't been done before ". There's 4 NASA rovers up there.... Lol !

And NOW you figured out how to use Google ?

NASA was always just a phoe call and or Email away. All the Europeans had to do was ask, Im sure NASA would have been happy to help
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No, it wasn't done before with this kind of craft.... And..this wasn't a rover. And...this was designed to only last a few days on the surface..etc etc...


Aren't you the guy who couldn't understand when I pointed out that 40% of our space shuttle orbiters (that is 2 out of 5) were destroyed?

Man, you love to broadcast your ignorance, doncha?
 
countryboy said:
Oh okay, cool. Thanks.

There used to be a local radio talk show host here that was really into all the space stuff. He would always announce ISS sightings. He would do a lot of paranormal and cryptozoology stuff too. Pretty cool dude. Unfortunately, he passed away a few years ago, wasn't all that old either.
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Typically you will get 2-4 good close overhead passes a month (brighter than -3 magnitude) after sunset, and same before sunset, then a day before that, and a day after that at a different part of the sky. The fun stuff is the tumbling objects, they flash as they tumble, but they usually aren't too bright. There are 2 chinese habitation/mini space stations up there, lots of fun Lacrosse spy sats, X37b, space telescope, etc. Every night...
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Rosetta was a win, but this team seems to have trouble sticking the landing.
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Considering they didn't know about the density of the surface of the comet, plus all the rubble fields..and all the unusual amount of shading, it was a fantastic mission, NASA hasn't tried anything like that. Also...Japan is the first nation to ever land on an asteroid....and return samples to Earth.

Its not competition, its all more science, and its great.
 
beefheart said:
No, it wasn't done before with this kind of craft.... And..this wasn't a rover. And...this was designed to only last a few days on the surface..etc etc...


Aren't you the guy who couldn't understand when I pointed out that 40% of our space shuttle orbiters (that is 2 out of 5) were destroyed?

Man, you love to broadcast your ignorance, doncha?
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133 successful shuttle missions with two failed missions and you think thats a 40% failure rate ?

The Europeans would love to have those numbers going for them.

And regardless of what kind of craft it was its now shattered into a million pieces all over the Mars landscape.
 
Fenton said:
133 successful shuttle missions with two failed missions and you think thats a 40% failure rate ?

The Europeans would love to have those numbers going for them.

And regardless of what kind of craft it was its now shattered into a million pieces all over the Mars landscape.
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Wow, so freaking ignorant! 40% of the space shuttle FLEET (they built 5 of them), were destroyed. I didn't say missions..did I?

Remedial math...its your friend.:lamo

(actually, its probably in one piece, we will find it from the orbiters that are at Mars now)
 
Fenton said:
Lol......no, there's no good reason for redundant Space exploration

NASA's been there, done that, put rovers on Mars, put men on the moon 6 times

So why is Europe throwing space litter at comets and Mars ? And China's latest moon mission was also a failure.
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Nasa had some failed Mars Missions.
 
beefheart said:
BTW, I had a great ISS pass last night -3.5 mag, went directly overhead...didn't see the Cygnus supply ship, I get another pass tonight, and caught one by accident on Tuesday. With my binocs (15 x 70) and a very steady grasp (very heavy), you can make out the solar panels on the ISS as it passes by. I've seen the station at least 60 times, its always cool as hell...same goes for all the other sats, including the secret X37b OT4 space plane...
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Now that's gotta be an awesome sight. Pretty cool to be able to just look up.
 
eohrnberger said:
Now that's gotta be an awesome sight. Pretty cool to be able to just look up.
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If I had a clear horizon all around, I could train my telescope to track it and get some good video...lots of people do it and post on youtube.
 
countryboy said:
Oh okay, cool. Thanks.

There used to be a local radio talk show host here that was really into all the space stuff. He would always announce ISS sightings. He would do a lot of paranormal and cryptozoology stuff too. Pretty cool dude. Unfortunately, he passed away a few years ago, wasn't all that old either.
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The ISS passes overhead about every 90 minutes... how often was he announcing it!?
 
Deuce said:
The ISS passes overhead about every 90 minutes... how often was he announcing it!?
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It's not always visible. People generally announce when it will be visible in the night sky. Duh. Are you capable of ever having a pleasant conversation? Rhetorical question, no need to answer.
 
Exquisitor said:
Nasa had some failed Mars Missions.
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The strangest was the Mars Climate Orbiter. Failed because of a simple math error.

The navigation team at NASA used the metric system in its calculations, but when Lockheed Martin built the orbiter they used the English/American system(feet,inches,etc). $100+ mil spaceship crashed because the 2 sides used 2 different measuring systems.
 
beefheart said:
Go here: Heavens-Above Heavens-Above

put in your city and click on "Daily predictions for brighter satellites" and select the day and PM and see if it passed by you
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According to this site, most objects traversed the greater portion of the sky, and none ended at 90 degrees. The object I sighted only moved a few degrees across the sky from the time I looked up until it disappeared, and it disappeared at about 90 degrees. Odd. I guess it was a UFO. :D
 
countryboy said:
According to this site, most objects traversed the greater portion of the sky, and none ended at 90 degrees. The object I sighted only moved a few degrees across the sky from the time I looked up until it disappeared, and it disappeared at about 90 degrees. Odd. I guess it was a UFO. :D
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It could have been an Iridium flash..the Iridium sats are for phone service and they are in geosynch orbit, they have massive solar panels that flash briefly from time to time.
 
beefheart said:
Excuse me? Philae landed on an oblong comet, no one has ever done that, and it transmitted from the surface for a while.

Far from embarrassing, that mission was amazing. https://www.wired.com/2014/11/rosetta-philae-comet-surface-photos/

New Images from Philae Reveal Comet's Ancient Surface - Universe Today

Also...the Soviets were the only nation to ever land a craft on Venus and take pictures...twice....Venera 9 and Venera 13.
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Those Venus landers only lasted a few hours. Venus is really tough too. Mainly the high heat and the acidic environment, if I recall.
 
Fenton said:
133 successful shuttle missions with two failed missions and you think thats a 40% failure rate ?

The Europeans would love to have those numbers going for them.

And regardless of what kind of craft it was its now shattered into a million pieces all over the Mars landscape.
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40% destruction of space craft not mission failure rate
 
Fenton said:
" This isn't something thats already been done ".....You dont remember writing that ?
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yes landing something on the planet has been done

but you seem to have forgotten or are purposely ignoring this bit


he orbiter has different scientific instruments on it that compliment the existing orbiters. This was not a rover, this was a lander, one that is being used so that they can gain data on how to land a rover on the next mission.


that has not allredy been done
 
eohrnberger said:
Those Venus landers only lasted a few hours. Venus is really tough too. Mainly the high heat and the acidic environment, if I recall.
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Oh yeah, plus the air pressure...that is why the photos are so weird, it created a massive fisheye effect.
 
blarg said:
40% destruction of space craft not mission failure rate
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Yeah, I tried to explain this to him months ago, but he can't understand basic math, nor basic English. Its futile trying to teach him things.
 
American said:
What's the point of China landing men on the Moon? We have the t-shirt, and even the Russians didn't bother.
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The Soviets DID bother. They created the N1 rocket which failed 4 times in a row, it was a massive beast. But, their tech could not build massive rockets...the N1, its first stage had a staggering 30 engines on it (versus 5 on the Saturn V), that many engines = that many chances at failure, which is what happened. Second stage had 8 engines, third had 4 engines. They did get a rover on the moon which operated for a pretty long time. The Lunar Recon Orbiter found it a few years ago.


BTW, Orbital Sciences is using the spare engines from those rockets on the Antares rocket, they had a good launch earlier this week, but a disaster with them 2 years ago.
 
blarg said:
yes landing something on the planet has been done

but you seem to have forgotten or are purposely ignoring this bit


he orbiter has different scientific instruments on it that compliment the existing orbiters. This was not a rover, this was a lander, one that is being used so that they can gain data on how to land a rover on the next mission.


that has not allredy been done
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Lol......what lander ? They kamikazied it into the Mars surface.

Yes, its been done before. There have been 4 successful NASA rover missions and NASA put its first rover on Mars back in 2012.
 
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