Apple Announces Iphone 7

PeteEU said:

Well that is a good question. The "Skin" as you call it, does vary from android maker to android maker. Now Samsung basically replaces everything of stock Android and puts it own. This has its benefits, but also drawbacks. The benefits are that Samsung phones often can far more than stock Android can. For example, Samsung phones have had split screen capability for years, but it is something that only got included in the recent stock Android. The drawback with Samsung TouchWiz is that it is relatively poorly programmed and can slow down the phone. It mostly comes down to the fancy "graphical" bits that can be shut off to get rid of most problems.

Now other manufactures had their own "skins" as you call them, but most including LG.. especially LG, have moved away from this and instead made apps they put on for the extra functions. This has benefits, as with LG their upgrade plan to the new version of Android is fast, especially compared to Samsung. The LG V20 for example comes with Android Nougat , the latest version of Android. More and more companies are going down that route, so upgrading their premium devices will happen faster.

You have to understand that Apple has an advantage, as it designs the chips and bits that runs in its iPhone. So iOS only has to work on relatively limited few types of devices. The ironic thing is also, that Apple fails so badly so often in this. Yes people get the new version of iOS fast, but every freaking year it is the same. You get the iOS and your 2 year old phone slows down and is suddenly fixed months later after people on mass have complained. Also if you look at how many times Apple update their iOS because of bugs... you dont really see that with Android.

Now with Android it is much different. Because Google does no control the hardware (other than their Nexus devices), then Android has to work on multiple amounts of hardware.. which is problematic when a company like Samsung pumps out 30 new models a year if not more. That is just one company.. and there are a lot of companies. So this causes a headache for Google. It is not Googles fault that your phone is not updated... it is the manufacture and in the US it is the carriers fault.. US carriers are extremely bad in updates as they have to get their own bloatware to work first. Thank god we dont have that problem over here...

In many ways it is the same problem between Mac vs Windows. Windows is designed to work on tons of different hardware and requires manufactures to update drivers and so on. For Mac it is much easier as the hardware differences are highly limited... it should in theory be better... and yet...

If you want your Android phone updated as fast as Apple.. buy Nexus phones.

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Despite the enormous numbers of OEMs with varying hardware configurations and custom-built machines, there's really nothing by way of significant delay for Windows. But it seems as if the cellphone market or Google's own business model with Android has introduced an additional problem with cohesive ecosystems not found in the PC market. Is it allowing the OEM and/or carrier to edit the look and feel of Android that is the source? Given that in your neck of the woods, carriers don't have that much influence but in the States they do, does that help explain why one OEM can get Nougat on day 1, but another won't have it for a while?

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Despite the enormous numbers of OEMs with varying hardware configurations and custom-built machines, there's really nothing by way of significant delay for Windows.

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Its different techs to be honest and hard to compare. Microsoft controls the updates to Windows.. Google only controls the updates to stock Android.

But it seems as if the cellphone market or Google's own business model with Android has introduced an additional problem with cohesive ecosystems not found in the PC market. Is it allowing the OEM and/or carrier to edit the look and feel of Android that is the source?

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Apple from the start said to carriers.. if you want to sell our phone then no bloatware and we control updates. With Android there is an extra layer.. You have Google that makes the operating system, "sells" it to a manufacture of phones.. Samsung/LG and so on.. who then adapt the OS to their phones by making drivers and so on... and then they go to the US carriers to sell the phones. Here the carriers add their bloatware and other specific "add-ons" that limit peoples access to the network and so on. Now when Google comes with an update, it sends it to the manufacture of the phone, who then has to push the update, but in the US, that update has be approved by the US carriers first (which takes a long time for some reason) and it is THEM that send out the update. This means that the rest of the world often gets the new Android update before the US.

Now to add to the confusion, if we use Samsung as an example. Take the S7.. in the US it uses Snapdragon processor.. outside it uses (the better) Samsung Exynos processor. They are very similar but require different drivers and so on. And considering how many different phones there are out there, and how many "older" phones there are.. a nightmare is taking it mildly.

What Google has done, is that with the newer Android version, the manufactures and carriers have less "input" on what can and can not be on the phones. They basically pushing the idea that all bloatware has to be apps that people can remove or download from the Google Play Store, instead of being built in. So for example, on HTC almost all the HTC bloatware (what is left), is removable or you can add it from the play store. This helps a lot with the update time... it of course does not help with Samsung phones as they still have an extensive UI and bloatware system. But they have cut down on it considerably the last few years.

Given that in your neck of the woods, carriers don't have that much influence but in the States they do, does that help explain why one OEM can get Nougat on day 1, but another won't have it for a while?

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Easy, we pay full price for our phones. Until recently US carriers subsidized phones, which gave them a lot of power. Only exception was with Apple, and that was because of "people power"..or as I call it.. "Cult power". Apple abuses that "Cult power" big time.. well has, but has realized they cant do it anymore. That is why the US carriers are dumping the subsidies on phones in the US, and in Europe Apple is under investigation for abusing their market power.. they basically said to the big carriers.. if you want to sell our phone then you have to buy X number of phones from us at full price, which forced a massive financial burden on the carriers. Say for example, an English carrier says.. we can sell 100k phones maybe, but Apple says but you have to buy 250k phones to be able to even sell the 100k phones.

I'm always hesitant to buy brand new models. What if it blows my arm off like the Galaxy?

Yawn...I'll wait for the 8.

PeteEU said:

Its different techs to be honest and hard to compare. Microsoft controls the updates to Windows.. Google only controls the updates to stock Android.



Apple from the start said to carriers.. if you want to sell our phone then no bloatware and we control updates. With Android there is an extra layer.. You have Google that makes the operating system, "sells" it to a manufacture of phones.. Samsung/LG and so on.. who then adapt the OS to their phones by making drivers and so on... and then they go to the US carriers to sell the phones. Here the carriers add their bloatware and other specific "add-ons" that limit peoples access to the network and so on. Now when Google comes with an update, it sends it to the manufacture of the phone, who then has to push the update, but in the US, that update has be approved by the US carriers first (which takes a long time for some reason) and it is THEM that send out the update. This means that the rest of the world often gets the new Android update before the US.

Now to add to the confusion, if we use Samsung as an example. Take the S7.. in the US it uses Snapdragon processor.. outside it uses (the better) Samsung Exynos processor. They are very similar but require different drivers and so on. And considering how many different phones there are out there, and how many "older" phones there are.. a nightmare is taking it mildly.

What Google has done, is that with the newer Android version, the manufactures and carriers have less "input" on what can and can not be on the phones. They basically pushing the idea that all bloatware has to be apps that people can remove or download from the Google Play Store, instead of being built in. So for example, on HTC almost all the HTC bloatware (what is left), is removable or you can add it from the play store. This helps a lot with the update time... it of course does not help with Samsung phones as they still have an extensive UI and bloatware system. But they have cut down on it considerably the last few years.



Easy, we pay full price for our phones. Until recently US carriers subsidized phones, which gave them a lot of power. Only exception was with Apple, and that was because of "people power"..or as I call it.. "Cult power". Apple abuses that "Cult power" big time.. well has, but has realized they cant do it anymore. That is why the US carriers are dumping the subsidies on phones in the US, and in Europe Apple is under investigation for abusing their market power.. they basically said to the big carriers.. if you want to sell our phone then you have to buy X number of phones from us at full price, which forced a massive financial burden on the carriers. Say for example, an English carrier says.. we can sell 100k phones maybe, but Apple says but you have to buy 250k phones to be able to even sell the 100k phones.

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Smartphone talk makes brain hurt.

DA not like hurting brain.