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Does ESP exist?

Pin dÁr said:
I think rejecting it by reflex action is a sign of a closed mind.
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I agree. I think accepting a specific explanation for given phenomena by reflex action is similarly a sign of a closed mind. That’s why your answer to the question is as important as anyone else’s.

The problem I have with these questions is that the words you list in your OP aren’t clearly defined and specifically don’t clearly distinguish between cause and effect. When you talk about there being evidence, you’re talking about evidence of effects. People having information without an apparent source for it, objects behaving in ways there are no immediate explanation for. None of that proves anything other than there being things we don’t yet have explanations for. Where this kind of field becomes difficult is that some people propose explanations based on mechanisms for which there is no actual evidence and often for which there is no detail explanation or structured hypothesis.

So, I don’t think there is any meaning to the questions you’re asking in the OP without clarifying in a lot more detail exactly what you’re actually referring to when you use terms like ESP. I’d love to be able to discuss these things – I think they’re really interesting concepts. I only think those discussions can have any meaning with a solid basis of definition and understanding though, and sadly many of the people who raise them don’t appear to be willing or able to work on that basis.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Ok, well explain more. How do you know that? what is needed then exactly in the body for this and why isn't it there?

And does in have to be in the body?

You are aware of Sheldrake's work? and his questions about our very very dogmatic (and extremely stupid) science?
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Sheldrake is a ****ing loon. Of course a loon like that would think that science is stupid, after all it shows that he is a loon.
 
HonestJoe said:
I agree. I think accepting a specific explanation for given phenomena by reflex action is similarly a sign of a closed mind. That’s why your answer to the question is as important as anyone else’s.

The problem I have with these questions is that the words you list in your OP aren’t clearly defined and specifically don’t clearly distinguish between cause and effect. When you talk about there being evidence, you’re talking about evidence of effects. People having information without an apparent source for it, objects behaving in ways there are no immediate explanation for. None of that proves anything other than there being things we don’t yet have explanations for. Where this kind of field becomes difficult is that some people propose explanations based on mechanisms for which there is no actual evidence and often for which there is no detail explanation or structured hypothesis.

So, I don’t think there is any meaning to the questions you’re asking in the OP without clarifying in a lot more detail exactly what you’re actually referring to when you use terms like ESP. I’d love to be able to discuss these things – I think they’re really interesting concepts. I only think those discussions can have any meaning with a solid basis of definition and understanding though, and sadly many of the people who raise them don’t appear to be willing or able to work on that basis.
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well, I agree mostly with you on this.

However, It is used by me iin a loose way at first. because I am interested in the answers people give,

I do disagree however on this:
and sadly many of the people who raise them don’t appear to be willing or able to work on that basis.
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I am all for it. Just start with it. What is holding you back?
That's ok.

But anyway, apart from this there is, of course, plenty of evidence. Even 'scientific' but I think that is the least important one,

I have no faith in any science at the moment. I have studies physics/ mahematics at university level, alas.
Everything I have learned was wrong so I had to unlearn all the rubbish.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Sheldrake is a ****ing loon. Of course a loon like that would think that science is stupid, after all it shows that he is a loon.
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Just again, an Ad Hominem. Nowhere do you go into his arguments.
(btw I did the same with the psychopatic Randi, but then again, He is sssssssoo ugly, that I even thinks he smells bad.
But I apologise)
 
Pin dÁr said:
However, It is used by me iin a loose way at first. because I am interested in the answers people give,
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You’re not going to get any better answers to your OP than you already have and I don’t think you’ll gain anything from them beyond your confirmation bias. Did you really expect anything other than “No, because of lack of evidence”?

Pin dÁr said:
I am all for it. Just start with it. What is holding you back?
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I can’t discuss specifics of your topic until you post some specifics of your topic.

Pin dÁr said:
But anyway, apart from this there is, of course, plenty of evidence. Even 'scientific' but I think that is the least important one
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I don’t see how you can talk about evidence while dismissing science. Evidence is a fundamentally scientific concept.

There’s also no point in talking about “plenty of evidence” when you’ve still given zero information on what you’re claiming there is evidence for. I could say I have plenty of evidence too but that doesn’t tell you anything does it?
 
HonestJoe said:
You’re not going to get any better answers to your OP than you already have and I don’t think you’ll gain anything from them beyond your confirmation bias. Did you really expect anything other than “No, because of lack of evidence”?

I can’t discuss specifics of your topic until you post some specifics of your topic.

I don’t see how you can talk about evidence while dismissing science. Evidence is a fundamentally scientific concept.

There’s also no point in talking about “plenty of evidence” when you’ve still given zero information on what you’re claiming there is evidence for. I could say I have plenty of evidence too but that doesn’t tell you anything does it?
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Nope. and science itself is rather psychotic.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Nope. and science itself is rather psychotic.
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Not getting in to that here! Sounds like a whole different topic.

So, if you want to discuss this further, all you have to do is post some specifics. If you just want to stick to your open questions and pity replies, I’ll leave you to it.
 
HonestJoe said:
Not getting in to that here! Sounds like a whole different topic.

So, if you want to discuss this further, all you have to do is post some specifics. If you just want to stick to your open questions and pity replies, I’ll leave you to it.
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yes you are right, sorry.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Just again, an Ad Hominem. Nowhere do you go into his arguments.
(btw I did the same with the psychopatic Randi, but then again,
He is sssssssoo ugly, that I even thinks he smells bad.
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But I apologise)
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Why do you think that someone who you think is ugly also smells bad?

Fill us in with all of the details.
 
shrubnose said:
Why do you think that someone who you think is ugly also smells bad?

Fill us in with all of the details.
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Just my idea. I might be wrong, but probbly not.

who czres? lol
 
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Pin dÁr said:
Just again, an Ad Hominem. Nowhere do you go into his arguments.
(btw I did the same with the psychopatic Randi, but then again, He is sssssssoo ugly, that I even thinks he smells bad.
But I apologise)
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I dont really need to go into why this guys a loon do I?
 
Pin dÁr said:
Does ESP, like telepathy, clairvoyance, psychokineses etc really exist?

If not, why not?
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Yes they do. All airline pilots spraying chemicals out the exhaust of their planes are telekinetic, it's how they are able to trigger the mind-control chemical injectors without having to throw a switch. There are also telepaths (who have been immunized against the mind-control drugs) who monitor the populace to make sure that the mind control drugs are working and who implant "correct" ideas in people's minds. You see, the Illumnati found out that just having the population's minds controlled wasn't very useful unless they had a method to put the right thoughts into people's minds. This is where the Reptile People living inside the Moon (they get to live there because they're the ones who built the Moon) came into the picture. They managed the genetic manipulation that gave the Illuminati's agents the abilities they needed. Now clairvoyance is another subject entirely. It's the result of years of training at special schools in locations only accessible to certain people. I've heard that there's a train station in London with a special platform where you can access a train to take you to one of these schools.
 
dimensionallava said:
absolutely

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A practitioner of the ancient sect of the Mystical Squirrel... A rare and wonderful example of possum enchanting...
 
Pin dÁr said:
I think it is for real.

Take remote viewing. Done by Stanford Research Institute for years.

Ever heard of Rusell Targ & Ingo Swann ?They Worked there for years with very good results.

So, that is one piece of evidence.


There is a lot more.
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Targ and Swann are the architects of the chem-trail program. They were the first ones to be inoculated against the mind control drugs. It's said that they possess the power to raise dead road kill....
 
I don't discredit most things existing.
I could tell some stories but it wouldn't add anything to the discussion because it is not anything I recorded evidence wise.
I have more evidence of extra sensory perception than I do of planets existing outside of the detection of our current technology (and I believe planets do, of course).
 
Ntharotep said:
I don't discredit most things existing.
I could tell some stories but it wouldn't add anything to the discussion because it is not anything I recorded evidence wise.
I have more evidence of extra sensory perception than I do of planets existing outside of the detection of our current technology (and I believe planets do, of course).
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Funny because you didn't post any evidence of extra sensory perception
 
Pin dÁr said:
Does ESP, like telepathy, clairvoyance, psychokineses etc really exist?

If not, why not?
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I'm skeptical but would like someone to explain to me why I think of a customer client and they call me seconds later.
 
I knew you were going to make a thread about this.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I'm skeptical but would like someone to explain to me why I think of a customer client and they call me seconds later.
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I have too. And I've also always wondered why I can so often tell who's calling by the ring.
 
Pin dÁr said:
Does ESP, like telepathy, clairvoyance, psychokineses etc really exist?

If not, why not?
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Yes, ESP does exist. It's happened to me all my life. It isn't something I sought or something I have developed. For the most part I don't think about it, but it is sometimes too obvious to ignore. I suspect it is something we are all born with and like throwing a football, playing a guitar or organizing chaos, some are "naturally" gifted.

If I spend more than a little time being aware of it it becomes more obvious to me. I rarely use it, however, though it can be helpful.

Picking lotto numbers? It doesn't work that way as far as I know. At least it doesn't work that way for me or anyone I know. I suppose if I really worked at picking numbers my ability to do so would improve. How long would it take? How successful would it become? Who knows? It depends, too, on the definition of success. I consider success in picking lotto numbers using ESP to be better than statistical chance over a given time. All that said, I'm not interested enough in it to do it.

But, yes, ESP exists.
 
Do you play cards, Risky?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, ESP does exist. It's happened to me all my life. It isn't something I sought or something I have developed. For the most part I don't think about it, but it is sometimes too obvious to ignore. I suspect it is something we are all born with and like throwing a football, playing a guitar or organizing chaos, some are "naturally" gifted.

If I spend more than a little time being aware of it it becomes more obvious to me. I rarely use it, however, though it can be helpful.

Picking lotto numbers? It doesn't work that way as far as I know. At least it doesn't work that way for me or anyone I know. I suppose if I really worked at picking numbers my ability to do so would improve. How long would it take? How successful would it become? Who knows? It depends, too, on the definition of success. I consider success in picking lotto numbers using ESP to be better than statistical chance over a given time. All that said, I'm not interested enough in it to do it.

But, yes, ESP exists.
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Try a double-blind test and see if you beat statistical random chance.

You wont.
 
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