Hyperloop is coming 'within a decade,' says CEO

SheWolf said:

Sounds cool but I think most of passengers will be vomiting.

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Do most airline passengers vomit?

EnigmaO01 said:

Do most airline passengers vomit?

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I do :lol:

Helix said:

this is so cool. i think the time estimate is about as far off as you can get, but man, is it a great idea.

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Whats the deal with the Left's worship of Elon Musk ?

I have yet to be impressed by anything he's accomplished on a technical level so far.

I think he takes advantage of the universal technical naivete of people and then push' s his " breakthroughs " as world changing knowing no one, at least on the left will question his claims

He wants to terraform Mars by nuking it, for Gods sake. Lol !!

Fenton said:

Whats the deal with the Left's worship of Elon Musk ?

I have yet to be impressed by anything he's accomplished on a technical level so far.

I think he takes advantage of the universal technical naivete of people and then push' s his " breakthroughs " as world changing knowing no one, at least on the left will question his claims

He wants to terraform Mars by nuking it, for Gods sake. Lol !!

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Wait, I thought R&D was ok with the right as long as it was private / for profit.

EnigmaO01 said:

Job security as an airline pilot threatened?

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Uhh, no? I don't work for an airline.

And this thing aint getting built in ten years.

The hyperloop is coming:

Deuce said:

Uhh, no? I don't work for an airline.

And this thing aint getting built in ten years.

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I thought you said in a previous post you were a pilot? It wasn't you?

The way I think the hyperloop will work is a semi or auto will just drive up into a capsule and boom you are shot towards your destination at 800 mph. There will also be capsules for freight containers and passengers. There will be a network of hyperloops connecting all the major cities built right along the highways as public land is available. Once a capsule is at top speed it takes very little energy to move it as it levitates and has no drag caused by friction. So it will take a fraction of the energy to transport freight and people, and all of the energy can derive from renewable. It will be cleaner, faster, cheaper, and safer than any mode of transportation. It's a game changer. One company that has been working on it since 2013 claims all technical hurdles have been solved and they plan on building the first one by I believe 2019. They have a plan to build out a network of them across the U.S.

laska said:

The way I think the hyperloop will work is a semi or auto will just drive up into a capsule and boom you are shot towards your destination at 800 mph. There will also be capsules for freight containers and passengers. There will be a network of hyperloops connecting all the major cities built right along the highways as public land is available. Once a capsule is at top speed it takes very little energy to move it as it levitates and has no drag caused by friction. So it will take a fraction of the energy to transport freight and people, and all of the energy can derive from renewable. It will be cleaner, faster, cheaper, and safer than any mode of transportation. It's a game changer. One company that has been working on it since 2013 claims all technical hurdles have been solved and they plan on building the first one by I believe 2019. They have a plan to build out a network of them across the U.S.

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Problems. First, its Elon Musk next is with interconnection to all major cities.

Hyperloop lines will have to be confined to flat terrain and moderate distances

Moving at 800 miles an hour even over a small incline like a modest hill would spell disaster for the capsule and its occupant

Want to go through the Rockies? Ain't going to happen.

So that limits its application greatly. Next, we already have Trains that can exceed 350 mph and planes that can cruise at over 580 mph.

A 200 mph increase doesn't justify the massive cost that it would take to build a Hyperloop.

Next, freight Tranes are already one of the most efficient if not THE most efficient way to move freight.

Next, renewable energy sources are inherently unreliable. Just ask Germany who decided stupidly that it was going to be the first Nation to be powered by 100 % renewable energies

They're now building coal fired plants as fast as possible to make up for the inherent lags that come with renewables.

Why in the hell didnt they see that coming?

If anything this is just Musk flexing his ego by promoting something that its wildly Impractical. Like his spacex rocket

Musk has pulled the wool over the eyes of so many people. ...Lol

Fenton said:

Problems. First, its Elon Musk next is with interconnection to all major cities.

Hyperloop lines will have to be confined to flat terrain and moderate distances

Moving at 800 miles an hour even over a small incline like a modest hill would spell disaster for the capsule and its occupant

Want to go through the Rockies? Ain't going to happen.

So that limits its application greatly. Next, we already have Trains that can exceed 350 mph and planes that can cruise at over 580 mph.

A 200 mph increase doesn't justify the massive cost that it would take to build a Hyperloop.

Next, freight Tranes are already one of the most efficient if not THE most efficient way to move freight.

Next, renewable energy sources are inherently unreliable. Just ask Germany who decided stupidly that it was going to be the first Nation to be powered by 100 % renewable energies

They're now building coal fired plants as fast as possible to make up for the inherent lags that come with renewables.

Why in the hell didnt they see that coming?

If anything this is just Musk flexing his ego by promoting something that its wildly Impractical. Like his spacex rocket

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The hyperloop will move things faster, safer, cheaper, and cleaner by far than anything out there. Once the capsules get moving it levitates and eliminates friction and so it takes a fraction of the energy to move it as it would any other mode of transportation. As far as costs, it is much cheaper to build then the bullet trains and it can be built along highways so there is no need for expensive eminent domain. It's a game changer. Freight alone will make it cost effective over the longhaul compared to current system more than paying for the capital investment.

Here is a study with a map of how a nationwide network could look. Hyperloop US map of cities - Business Insider

Fenton said:

Musk has pulled the wool over the eyes of so many people. ...Lol

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Do you think this is fake like the moon landing:


They've landed the last two rockets. Without re-usable rockets Spacex is already a fraction of the cost to launch satellites than their competitors. With re-usable rockets they are going to be at least 30% cheaper.
How Elon Musk exposed billions in questionable Pentagon spending - POLITICO

Is this pulling wool over people's eyes or has Spacex done something revolutionary that has and will drastically lower the cost to space. Anyway I know bias when I see it so I realize none of this matters, nor Paypal, 400,000 pre-orders of model 3, great revies on model s and x, etc.

laska said:

Do you think this is fake like the moon landing:


They've landed the last two rockets. Without re-usable rockets Spacex is already a fraction of the cost to launch satellites than their competitors. With re-usable rockets they are going to be at least 30% cheaper.
How Elon Musk exposed billions in questionable Pentagon spending - POLITICO

Is this pulling wool over people's eyes or has Spacex done something revolutionary that has and will drastically lower the cost to space. Anyway I know bias when I see it so I realize none of this matters, nor Paypal, 400,000 pre-orders of model 3, great revies on model s and x, etc.

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No I dont think its fake nor do I think the Moon landings were faked, and Blue Origin beat Musk to the punch anyway.

I think Musk is taking advantage of Govt funding and subsisidies to fund something thats already been deemed impractical by both NASA and French Space agency CNES

Musk landed the first stage rocket and then tweeted that it was ready to go again. Thats a bit dishonest

First, its just the first stage thats going to be recoverable, the rocket. Next, that rocket wasn't re-used and the cost to refurbish rockets after their recovered is still considered to be cost prohibitive.

He and Bezos still have a long way to go before they can blast a satellite or payload again and again and only incur fuel cost.

His Hyperloop idea is a joke and there's nothing innovative about it. He shouldn't get one dime from the tax payer.

Fenton said:

No I dont think its fake nor do I think the Moon landings were faked, and Blue Origin beat Musk to the punch anyway.

I think Musk is taking advantage of Govt funding and subsisidies to fund something thats already been deemed impractical by both NASA and French Space agency CNES

Musk landed the first stage rocket and then tweeted that it was ready to go again. Thats a bit dishonest

First, its just the first stage thats going to be recoverable, the rocket. Next, that rocket wasn't re-used and the cost to refurbish rockets after their recovered is still considered to be cost prohibitive.

He and Bezos still have a long way to go before they can blast a satellite or payload again and again and only incur fuel cost.

His Hyperloop idea is a joke and there's nothing innovative about it. He shouldn't get one dime from the tax payer.

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Blue Origin did orbital return, Spacex suborbital. Big difference. But it is good news both companies are on the path to re-usability as the competition will drive down costs. And that is my major concern, to drive down the cost of government. And according to SpaceX you are wrong about it not lowering costs. They are stating anyone choosing a re-usable rocket for their launch will get a 30% discount, and they plan on doing this soon. So whatever it costs to get the reused rocket ready for re-launch, it is a lot cheaper than manufacturing an entirely new rocket. SpaceX also is a private company and has not received any subsidies. They in fact are saving NASA and other private companies a lot of money on their launches, and will save the U.S. military a lot of money if they would stop the cronyism with Boeing/Lockheed Martin joint venture monopoly.

As far as Musk receiving subsidies, part of them are normal stuff all large companies are privy too like property tax reductions from states who see it as a win win of keeping them in the state. The tax credits on the EV's are available to any company making electric cars and the vast majority of people buying $100,000 cars are not being influenced by the rebates. It would have an effect on the lower cost model 3 crowd but these tax rebates are about to end and given about 400,000 pre-orders with $1000 deposits for a car like two years away, I don't think it is going to break the demand for Tesla's vehicles. The federal loan Tesla received was paid back way early with interest. the government profited. How often does that happen for taxpayers. Anyway you have a lot of misinformation that is common from those who are biased and haters of Musk.

laska said:

Blue Origin did orbital return, Spacex suborbital. Big difference. But it is good news both companies are on the path to re-usability as the competition will drive down costs. And that is my major concern, to drive down the cost of government. And according to SpaceX you are wrong about it not lowering costs. They are stating anyone choosing a re-usable rocket for their launch will get a 30% discount, and they plan on doing this soon. So whatever it costs to get the reused rocket ready for re-launch, it is a lot cheaper than manufacturing an entirely new rocket. SpaceX also is a private company and has not received any subsidies. They in fact are saving NASA and other private companies a lot of money on their launches, and will save the U.S. military a lot of money if they would stop the cronyism with Boeing/Lockheed Martin joint venture monopoly.

As far as Musk receiving subsidies, part of them are normal stuff all large companies are privy too like property tax reductions from states who see it as a win win of keeping them in the state. The tax credits on the EV's are available to any company making electric cars and the vast majority of people buying $100,000 cars are not being influenced by the rebates. It would have an effect on the lower cost model 3 crowd but these tax rebates are about to end and given about 400,000 pre-orders with $1000 deposits for a car like two years away, I don't think it is going to break the demand for Tesla's vehicles. The federal loan Tesla received was paid back way early with interest. the government profited. How often does that happen for taxpayers. Anyway you have a lot of misinformation that is common from those who are biased and haters of Musk.

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Sorry, Im not impressed by Elon Musk's " innovations "

I had a open mind until he released the Tesla.

Cobbled together tech thats been around for years and Musk calls that innovation. And then Musk exploits California's Carbon credit scam, which without it he wouldn't have been able to stay in business

So if you're a Californian shopping for a New Car not powdered by a bank of batteries you pay more to subsisidies Musk's Tesla

He wants to colonize Mars. Mars is a dead planet, there's no life and there's never been any life there.

It has a fraction of Earths gravity that could never and will never hold a atmosphere capable of sustaining life, human or otherwise

It has no molten core, which means it has no protective electromagnetic field to shield life from the Suns destructive solar winds

His plan to terraform Mars involves Nuking it...lol

He shouldn't get one penny from the US government or consumers

Fenton said:

Sorry, Im not impressed by Elon Musk's " innovations "

I had a open mind until he released the Tesla.

Cobbled together tech thats been around for years and Musk calls that innovation. And then Musk exploits California's Carbon credit scam, which without it he wouldn't have been able to stay in business

So if you're a Californian shopping for a New Car not powdered by a bank of batteries you pay more to subsisidies Musk's Tesla

He wants to colonize Mars. Mars is a dead planet, there's no life and there's never been any life there.

It has a fraction of Earths gravity that could never and will never hold a atmosphere capable of sustaining life, human or otherwise

It has no molten core, which means it has no protective electromagnetic field to shield life from the Suns destructive solar winds

His plan to terraform Mars involves Nuking it...lol

He shouldn't get one penny from the US government or consumers

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You should be impressed with suborbtital landing of rocket on a ship. That was considered a pipe dream in the industry and many thought not possible. Given fuel is just a fraction of cost to a launch, it is like plane travel not having to manufacture a new plane every time it makes a trip. Tesla working with Panasonic has greatly improved the lithium battery for EV's. I believe Tesla is the first with software upgrades directly to car where you get upgrades to your car as a person sleeps at night. Treating the car like an iphone is pretty innovative. The hyperloop that he dreamed up imo may have the most impact of anything he's done. You may not agree but I think it is a serious game changer. He had the foresight early on to see that the internet needed a safe and fast payment system and he along with others created Paypal. Solar City, largest solar company in the U.S. Tesla, only successful new U.S. car manufacturer in like the last 100 years. Not much impresses you.

The only aspect that I disagree with Musk on is the need to put a colony on Mars(other than for the sense of adventure and maybe some of the technological breakthroughs may benefit earth.. Now if I had an atheist perspective it makes perfect sense to try and have a safety valve if in case something destroys the earth and maybe future technology would allow Mars to be a stepping stone to colonizing other planets outside the solar system saving the human species if something catastrophic happens to the earth. His logic from his perspective is solid. But I come from a perspective that Christ is returning in the near future and will instantly transform this planet from a telestial to a terrestial one, and then after His millennial reign the earth will be transformed to a Celestial eternal planet and brought back to the presence of God as an eternal home for the exalted. Obviously if he thought this was going to happen he wouldn't be worried about Mars, maybe just for the adventure but not to save the human species, who are already appear to be inhabiting the stars that number like the sands of the earth(Pearl of Great Price).

And Musk doesn't want or need subsidies. And he is a great job and wealth creator, he is adding to the national treasury and should be applauded. He could have easily moved to any country and been a strength to that nation but he loves America. What he would like to see is elimination of all subsidies as the oil companies get way more subsidies than he has ever gotten, and implementation of a carbon tax to make carbon reflect its true cost to society and offsetting this by lowering taxes elsewhere, and then letting the market decide the winners.

Forgot to mention another innovation, autonomous driving vehicles. Tesla and Google are leaders in this technology. Even the CEO of I believe Ford(or was it GM) gave credit to Tesla and silicon valley for greatly speeding up this technology by like 10 or 15 yrs.

Helix said:

beats the **** out of getting yanked up 35k feet on something that could fall.

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There's less stuff to hit up there. At 800 mph a cat could ruin your whole day.

Gaius46 said:

There's less stuff to hit up there. At 800 mph a cat could ruin your whole day.

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a problem which i'm sure could be addressed somehow.

Helix said:

a problem which i'm sure could be addressed somehow.

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No doubt. Not making fun in any way of your dislike of flying but as a guy who used to fly planes for a living I'll just say that the guy driving is the first one at the scene of an accident so we have a vested interest in not crashing. Computer controlled conveyances - not so much.

Honestly I can't see how any ground based transport system can sustain those kinds of speeds. Problem is turning. I don't remember offhand how to calculate g loading from rate of turn but at those speeds you're gonna need a lot of real estate to make turns while keeping the passengers from puking their guts out - or blacking out.

Personally I'd be happy with bullet train speeds. Hell I'd be happy if the LIRR could sustain 60 mph and cut my commute from two hours each way to ninety minutes.

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Gaius46 said:

No doubt. Not making fun in any way of your dislike of flying but as a guy who used to fly planes for a living I'll just say that the guy driving is the first one at the scene of an accident so we have a vested interest in not crashing. Computer controlled conveyances - not so much.

Honestly I can't see how any ground based transport system can sustain those kinds of speeds. Problem is turning. I don't remember offhand how to calculate g loading from rate of turn but at those speeds you're gonna need a lot of real estate to make turns while keeping the passengers from puking their guts out - or blacking out.

Personally I'd be happy with bullet train speeds. Hell I'd be happy if the LIRR could sustain 60 mph and cut my commute from two hours each way to ninety minutes.

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don't get me wrong; i trust the pilot. however, i'd travel more if it didn't require being 35,000 feet in the air. loved it as a kid; now it is terrifying for me. i have probably flown my last flight without some kind of sedative, or a lot more booze. i flew for the first time since April of 2001 this past September, and it was a fairly bad experience. i think i could probably do it again more easily now, but man, did that suck. the airline itself was a big part of the bad experience, but i won't get too much into that part of it. the trip home was a little better.

Gaius46 said:

No doubt. Not making fun in any way of your dislike of flying but as a guy who used to fly planes for a living I'll just say that the guy driving is the first one at the scene of an accident so we have a vested interest in not crashing. Computer controlled conveyances - not so much.

Honestly I can't see how any ground based transport system can sustain those kinds of speeds. Problem is turning. I don't remember offhand how to calculate g loading from rate of turn but at those speeds you're gonna need a lot of real estate to make turns while keeping the passengers from puking their guts out - or blacking out.

Personally I'd be happy with bullet train speeds. Hell I'd be happy if the LIRR could sustain 60 mph and cut my commute from two hours each way to ninety minutes.

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Hyperloop is a ridiculous and absolutely impractical concept.

Believe someone mentioned it could run along Interstate highways, which may seem straight when you're doing 70mph, but a slow gradual turn that you barely notice at 70 is a disaster waiting to happen at 800mph.

Elevations would have to be flat as possible so no hyperloop in the Northwest or Rockies or even to cities like Austin

Its like autonomous vehicles, unnecessary and impractical

Helix said:

don't get me wrong; i trust the pilot. however, i'd travel more if it didn't require being 35,000 feet in the air. loved it as a kid; now it is terrifying for me. i have probably flown my last flight without some kind of sedative, or a lot more booze. i flew for the first time since April of 2001 this past September, and it was a fairly bad experience. i think i could probably do it again more easily now, but man, did that suck. the airline itself was a big part of the bad experience, but i won't get too much into that part of it. the trip home was a little better.

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I really dislike airlines these days. It is such a hassle. I wish I still had routine access to plane. I'd never get on an airline ever again.

Fwiw I hate ladders. Going up a ladder terrifies me. My neighbors sit on their porches and laugh watching me climb ladders.


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Gaius46 said:

I really dislike airlines these days. It is such a hassle. I wish I still had routine access to plane. I'd never get on an airline ever again.

Fwiw I hate ladders. Going up a ladder terrifies me. My neighbors sit on their porches and laugh watching me climb ladders.


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i would probably have trouble standing on the garage roof. meanwhile, Russian kids are doing **** like this :



it's somewhat amazing to me that some people have almost zero fear of heights.

EnigmaO01 said:

I thought you said in a previous post you were a pilot? It wasn't you?

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I am a pilot but do not work for an airline. This thing is no threat to me.

Even if I were an airline pilot, it wouldn't be a threat to me. To co-opt a dumb aviation saying: a mile of hyperloop will get you a mile, but a mile of runway will get you anywhere. The hyperloop will never be practical to construct over the bulk of the United States. At best, you're going to connect some major city pairs on the west and east coasts. That's neat, but it's going to be hilariously expensive. There are people in this thread chanting an almost mantra of "it will be faster, cheaper, cleaner. it will be faster, cheaper, cleaner." I'm not sure they've properly grasped the construction costs.