If God Is All-Forgiving, When Will He Forgive Satan?

Since God is all-forgiving, he should "turn the other cheek" and forgive Satan. Jesus said we should "love our enemies" so I'm praying for Satan's salvation every day. The blood of Jesus can wash and make anyone whole again! If you don't agree well, "Oh, ye of little faith".

God only forgives those who ask, who acknowledge wrong.

How do you know he hasn't? It's been about 2,000 years since the last Bible book was written so who knows...A lot can happen in 2,000 years.
I don't understand what the big deal is anyway. Satan wanted to be like the most high and from what I can tell, that's exactly what the pastor says I should do. I'm supposed to be more like Jesus. Maybe Lucifer's goal at the time was unrealistic, but at least he was trying to become like God.

Just being the Devil's advocate here.-Literally

Clapton is God said:

Since God is all-forgiving, he should "turn the other cheek" and forgive Satan. Jesus said we should "love our enemies" so I'm praying for Satan's salvation every day. The blood of Jesus can wash and make anyone whole again! If you don't agree well, "Oh, ye of little faith".

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A better question is, why won't he forgive people who die without "salvation," allowing them to suffer "eternal torment?" You know, forever damned in exchange for sins committed in the time-frame of a fraction of a nano-second of eternity?

That's like child abuse...whipping a child forever for stealing a cookie. :shock:

Seems a strange paradox for a loving God.

- God may have decided not to be merciful towards Satin. It is God's choice. It is also possible that salvation for fallen angles (like Satin) is not in God's salvation plan.

As far as humans, God gave us free will. Humans make choices that leads to salvation or damnation. Its a human choice.

mike2810 said:

- God may have decided not to be merciful towards Satin. It is God's choice. It is also possible that salvation for fallen angles (like Satin) is not in God's salvation plan.

As far as humans, God gave us free will. Humans make choices that leads to salvation or damnation. Its a human choice.

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What you say is certainly possible. To accept it I would have to accept Armenian theology over Reformed thinkers like Calvin. Before I do that I have to figure out how a bunch of men were able to figure out what books are inspired and which ones are not. Did God give them a formula to determine this? How could they even know?
Seems like before you have faith that the Bible is God's word you have to have faith that man is able to determine which words are from God and which are not.

If God is benevolent and only good, then why can't he forgive the children born with deformities and cancer? What did those little kids ever do to deserve that evil? Are you going to blame cancer on the devil?

Christians like to blame every ill on a "broken world" that humans created. God gives us free will, so people will do unspeakable things to one another, right? But free will doesn't explain cancer or tsunamis or hurricanes or earthquakes.

If your God loves us all so unconditionally, then why does he plague us with such evil? Can God be evil? Christians say no. But if a god tells us he loves us unconditionally, and yet he lets us suffer without using his powers to stop the pain, then he's evil. He's a mean God without any morals. He lets tiny children suffer unmercifully. And I'm supposed to bow down to that sort of disgusting vileness? I shall not.

We always hear that the devil is true evil. But satan was God's closest angel. And if God knows everything, then how does he let his closest friend trick him? Perhaps we just don't have the full story. We have the bible, but we haven't read Satan's side of things. Maybe God is just a huge asshole that likes to see us suffer and gets a huge b0ner from our misery. And maybe Satan just never had a good publicist like God did. Maybe satan is the one that really loves us but he just didn't write a book explaining his side. Satan used to be an angel, right?

If god is truly omnipotent and omniscient, then why would he intentionally create a place where he knew he would make his children suffer unbearable pain? Is he a sadist?

The answers to all my questions are clear. You only have to use your logical mind to figure it out.

Clapton is God said:

How do you know he hasn't? It's been about 2,000 years since the last Bible book was written so who knows...A lot can happen in 2,000 years.
I don't understand what the big deal is anyway. Satan wanted to be like the most high and from what I can tell, that's exactly what the pastor says I should do. I'm supposed to be more like Jesus. Maybe Lucifer's goal at the time was unrealistic, but at least he was trying to become like God.

Just being the Devil's advocate here.-Literally

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Well then how do you know satan wasn't forgiven either? A lot can happen in 2000 years you know. Maybe he has gone back up as an obedient angel and hell was left without a proper overseer

Captain Adverse said:

A better question is, why won't he forgive people who die without "salvation," allowing them to suffer "eternal torment?" You know, forever damned in exchange for sins committed in the time-frame of a fraction of a nano-second of eternity?

That's like child abuse...whipping a child forever for stealing a cookie. :shock:

Seems a strange paradox for a loving God.

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That view became standard in medieval times, but a lot of churches now take a different interpretation to lines that warn of "destruction" by overlapping it with "perish" and to fear the one "who can destroy both body and soul in hell" (matthew 10:28)

Basically that hell is the absence of god and not eternal torment as dante and many others got off to

I think a lot of them would say this isn't cruel so much as what the atheists at least would want anyway, for their soul to not live on

I don't know that i buy into all that but i'm just saying

I think of Satan as being by his very nature unforgivable, even by God. Being the embodiment of sin, he can never renounce sin.

Clapton is God said:

Since God is all-forgiving, he should "turn the other cheek" and forgive Satan.

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When did Satan repent of his murders and abominations? He hasn't. Nor have God's detractors repented for their rebellion against God. And Luke 13:3 says if individuals don't repent, they will perish. So they'll all go down to the Pit together.

Brewdog said:

If God is benevolent and only good, then why can't he forgive the children born with deformities and cancer? What did those little kids ever do to deserve that evil? Are you going to blame cancer on the devil?

Christians like to blame every ill on a "broken world" that humans created. God gives us free will, so people will do unspeakable things to one another, right? But free will doesn't explain cancer or tsunamis or hurricanes or earthquakes.

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Tsk tsk. Have you never read the Bible?

Satan does afflict people with diseases (Luke 13:16, etc.). People also suffer because of their sins. And the reason there's hurricanes and earthquakes, etc., is because we live on an earth in a fallen condition.

But if you want it all to be fine and well then God has a plan for you on that too.

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land." - 2nd Chronicles 7:14

It can start with you and yours leading the revival! Or people can refuse to repent and suffer the consequences of their rebellion against God.

Clapton is God said:

Since God is all-forgiving, he should "turn the other cheek" and forgive Satan. Jesus said we should "love our enemies" so I'm praying for Satan's salvation every day. The blood of Jesus can wash and make anyone whole again! If you don't agree well, "Oh, ye of little faith".

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As I am no particular Bible scholar, can you tell me which verse in the Bible depicts God as "all-forgiving". I would like to get the context of the assertion before I make a comment.

Captain Adverse said:

A better question is, why won't he forgive people who die without "salvation," allowing them to suffer "eternal torment?" You know, forever damned in exchange for sins committed in the time-frame of a fraction of a nano-second of eternity?

That's like child abuse...whipping a child forever for stealing a cookie. :shock:

Seems a strange paradox for a loving God.

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You overlook the HOLINESS of God who's very nature won't allow sin into His presence. This is why there is a Redeemer. Christ who paid the penalty for our sin which we so richly deserve. Without Him, our fate is in eternal torment.

Clapton is God said:

Since God is all-forgiving, he should "turn the other cheek" and forgive Satan. Jesus said we should "love our enemies" so I'm praying for Satan's salvation every day. The blood of Jesus can wash and make anyone whole again! If you don't agree well, "Oh, ye of little faith".

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Praying for him is great and very good of you too. He needs those prayers for conversion, doesn't he?

Clapton is God said:

Since God is all-forgiving, he should "turn the other cheek" and forgive Satan. Jesus said we should "love our enemies" so I'm praying for Satan's salvation every day. The blood of Jesus can wash and make anyone whole again! If you don't agree well, "Oh, ye of little faith".

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One must ask for forgiveness and mean it. You have to understand why Lucifer was kicked out of heaven to begin with.
It was for wanting to take God's place. He went from being the guardian of God's throne to a dark twisted image of what he was.

If he did ask for forgiveness and mean it then he would do it or have done it, however he still wants to be God.

Captain Adverse said:

A better question is, why won't he forgive people who die without "salvation," allowing them to suffer "eternal torment?" You know, forever damned in exchange for sins committed in the time-frame of a fraction of a nano-second of eternity?

That's like child abuse...whipping a child forever for stealing a cookie. :shock:

Seems a strange paradox for a loving God.

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You forget that God is a Just God as well.

God's punishment isn't against the person it is against sin.

For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life.
The Gift of God was the death, burial and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ.

Also it isn't just sin but the complete rejection of God completely.

mike2810 said:

- God may have decided not to be merciful towards Satin. It is God's choice. It is also possible that salvation for fallen angles (like Satin) is not in God's salvation plan.

As far as humans, God gave us free will. Humans make choices that leads to salvation or damnation. Its a human choice.

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Or being all knowing he knows that they won't repent anyway.

Brewdog said:

If God is benevolent and only good, then why can't he forgive the children born with deformities and cancer? What did those little kids ever do to deserve that evil? Are you going to blame cancer on the devil?

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We live in a fallen imperfect world. that is your answer right there.

Christians like to blame every ill on a "broken world" that humans created. God gives us free will, so people will do unspeakable things to one another, right? But free will doesn't explain cancer or tsunamis or hurricanes or earthquakes.

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Well we did create it. It doesn't have to explain it. We live in a fallen world that is in decay. Things break down. Cells don't work the way they are supposed to.
nature has a will of it's own and does what it is supposed to do.

If your God loves us all so unconditionally, then why does he plague us with such evil? Can God be evil? Christians say no. But if a god tells us he loves us unconditionally, and yet he lets us suffer without using his powers to stop the pain, then he's evil. He's a mean God without any morals. He lets tiny children suffer unmercifully. And I'm supposed to bow down to that sort of disgusting vileness? I shall not.

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Who says they are evil? evil is a subjective term. God never said you would never live a life without suffering. If you think he did please quote it.

We always hear that the devil is true evil. But satan was God's closest angel. And if God knows everything, then how does he let his closest friend trick him? Perhaps we just don't have the full story. We have the bible, but we haven't read Satan's side of things. Maybe God is just a huge asshole that likes to see us suffer and gets a huge b0ner from our misery. And maybe Satan just never had a good publicist like God did. Maybe satan is the one that really loves us but he just didn't write a book explaining his side. Satan used to be an angel, right?

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Who said he tricked anyone? Lucifer was cast out for attempting to take over God's authority. he wanted to be God. For that reason he was cast out with the angels that he convinced to follow.
If you think that then that is on you and no one else.
If god is truly omnipotent and omniscient, then why would he intentionally create a place where he knew he would make his children suffer unbearable pain? Is he a sadist?

The answers to all my questions are clear. You only have to use your logical mind to figure it out.[/QUOTE]

KevinKohler said:

God only forgives those who ask, who acknowledge wrong.

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End thread.

Gaugingcatenate said:

As I am no particular Bible scholar, can you tell me which verse in the Bible depicts God as "all-forgiving". I would like to get the context of the assertion before I make a comment.

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I wouldn't pull out one verse because a Methodist, a Baptist, a Catholic, and a Presbyterian would disagree so that would be pointless. It is definitely taught and believed by many. Catholics are taught this in parochial schools, many Baptists and others believe it too. Pretty sure Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar and the others on tv say that too.Whether this is theologically correct depends on what school of theology you subscribe to. Even quoting the book of Malachi where it says God loves Jacob and hated Esau would be subject to theological persuasion.

Clapton is God said:

I wouldn't pull out one verse because a Methodist, a Baptist, a Catholic, and a Presbyterian would disagree so that would be pointless. It is definitely taught and believed by many. Catholics are taught this in parochial schools, many Baptists and others believe it too. Pretty sure Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar and the others on tv say that too.Whether this is theologically correct depends on what school of theology you subscribe to. Even quoting the book of Malachi where it says God loves Jacob and hated Esau would be subject to theological persuasion.

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That being the case I would have to say in my perspective it is a false premise and respectfully decline an opinion.

But I will say while Clapton is not God, to me, he is pretty damned good. Apropos, I really enjoyed his Tears in Heaven.

Captain Adverse said:

A better question is, why won't he forgive people who die without "salvation," allowing them to suffer "eternal torment?" You know, forever damned in exchange for sins committed in the time-frame of a fraction of a nano-second of eternity?

That's like child abuse...whipping a child forever for stealing a cookie. :shock:

Seems a strange paradox for a loving God.

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it is the person who dams himself to hell, not GOD.

to go to heaven from a christian angle, one must accept the blood and body of christ, there are plenty of people who refuse to do that even though they are able to.

for people to say god should forget me , he will ......but you must take the first step by asking for forgiveness, and following the word of the lord.

you cant ask for forgiveness, knowing you are going right out and keep sinning and doing things which are displeasing to the lord, only he can see the heart and if you are truly repentant.

a person only has themselves to blame

Clapton is God said:

It is definitely taught and believed by many.

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Clapton is God said:

Catholics are taught this in parochial schools,

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I would hope they aren't since that is not the Catholic position on this issue. The Catholic position is that God delegated authority over whether to forgive or not forgive to the church.

Clapton is God said:

many Baptists and others believe it too.

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Clapton is God said:

Pretty sure Joel Osteen,

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Probably true. But Osteen isn't exactly known for his strong theology.

Claptin is God said:

Joyce Meyers,

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Perhaps, but how would we know? She's not a pastor and doesn't generally speak on these kinds of topics. Do you have some evidence?

Claptin is God said:

Creflo Dollar and the others on tv say that too.

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No, he doesn't. This one is provably false. Here you go:
Creflo Dollar Ministries - Study Notes

Section E-3 details Creflo's view on unpardonable sin and details why Satan would never be forgiven (he was already handed over to a reprobate mind long ago). This is fairly standard Calvinist theology which you will find in most Baptist, Presbyterian, and other reformed churches.

As far as I know, there isn't any doctrine of any major Christian denomination that refers to God as "all-forgiving". There certainly isn't any church creed that refers to him in that way. The closest you can find is references to God as being "merciful". Much discussion through the centuries has focused on how God can be both merciful and just. Mercy demands that you forgive, but justice demands that the guilty be punished; God is described as both merciful and just, thus this dichotomy has been the subject of much theological debate. No theologian of note has ever decided to simply pretend the bible doesn't say he is just and call him "all-forgiving".

You wouldn't want an all-forgiving God. Such a God would allow the guy who raped your child or murdered your spouse to get away with it without any repercussions. That's not what the bible (nor any church I know of) teaches. The bible teaches that God is returning to bring justice.

Satan and hell as they are taught now were both invented in the Middle Ages. There's no reason for an eternal hell. If God loves us unconditionally, like He says, then how can he send us to eternal damnation? One lifetime of sin equals an eternity of agony? Those are not the actions of a just God. If God loves you UNCONDITIONALLY, that means without condition. He says he will never abandon or forsake us, but yet he will abandon or forsake us in hell? The guy is either a liar or an alcoholic.

The church made up Satan and Hell because, in the church's incessant quest for power, they didn't like the way people were acting. So paradise after death wasn't enough. They had to convince people that eternal agony was the consequence for not behaving properly.

I challenge you to find me scripture that says any of us are going to eternal damnation or a pit of fire. And I know which line from Revelation you will Google, and you'll be wrong, because you won't read it properly. And then I will destroy your feeble argument. Go for it.