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The word trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Although it is worth noting that christ said in a few verses that he was God (all of which were from John), there was no verse connecting the hold spirit with the father and the son as one entity. That is unless you count 1 John 5:7-8:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
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The problem with these 2 verses is that they were added in the 4th century AD despite Paul explicitly stating that changing the word of God was blasphemy against God. Also, everything hinting at the trinity is found in the new testament. No orthodox Jew believes in a father, son, and holy ghost.
 
Masterhawk said:
The word trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Although it is worth noting that christ said in a few verses that he was God (all of which were from John), there was no verse connecting the hold spirit with the father and the son as one entity. That is unless you count 1 John 5:7-8:


The problem with these 2 verses is that they were added in the 4th century AD despite Paul explicitly stating that changing the word of God was blasphemy against God. Also, everything hinting at the trinity is found in the new testament. No orthodox Jew believes in a father, son, and holy ghost.
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From that brief bible passage a new religion (Christian sect?) was founded.
 
Masterhawk said:
The word trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the bible. Although it is worth noting that christ said in a few verses that he was God (all of which were from John), there was no verse connecting the hold spirit with the father and the son as one entity. That is unless you count 1 John 5:7-8:


The problem with these 2 verses is that they were added in the 4th century AD despite Paul explicitly stating that changing the word of God was blasphemy against God. Also, everything hinting at the trinity is found in the new testament. No orthodox Jew believes in a father, son, and holy ghost.
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what is the spirit, water and blood about?
 
_Sal said:
what is the spirit, water and blood about?
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The 3 that bear record is the father son and Holy Ghost.
The three that bear witness on earth is the Holy Spirit, baptism of the saints and the lords supper and
Identifying with the death of Christ.
 
Masterhawk said:
The word trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the bible.
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Pretty much

The concept came a bit later, after his followers started thinking of him as a deity, but had to square (triangle?) that with the Jewish requirement for monotheism. It took hundreds of years to evolve into its Catholic and Orthodox forms.

FYI, Bart Erhman discusses this in How Jesus Became God and a few other places.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
From that brief bible passage a new religion (Christian sect?) was founded.
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I'm afraid that is not correct.

That passage, as the OP points out, was almost certainly added some time in the 4th Century. It doesn't appear in any Greek writings until the 15th Century, basically fabricated to convince Erasmus to put those phrases into his translation.

Anyway, by the time that passage was interpolated into the texts, Christianity was already a religion, much of the church hierarchy existed in some form, and there were active theological debates -- including about the nature of the Trinity. That particular issue was largely (but not entirely) settled for the Catholic church at Nicea in 325 CE.
 
Masterhawk said:
The word trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the bible.
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Neither is the word 'Bible'. But a rose by any other name is still a rose.

Masterhawk said:
Although it is worth noting that christ said in a few verses that he was God (all of which were from John), there was no verse connecting the hold spirit with the father and the son as one entity. That is unless you count 1 John 5:7-8:

The problem with these 2 verses is that they were added in the 4th century AD despite Paul explicitly stating that changing the word of God was blasphemy against God. Also, everything hinting at the trinity is found in the new testament. No orthodox Jew believes in a father, son, and holy ghost.
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It doesn't matter. The deity of the Holy Spirit is found in Acts chapter 5, among other places: "Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

And the deity of Jesus is found in numerous places throughout the New Testament:

The Deity of Jesus Christ

https://righterreport.com/2013/03/21/the-deity-of-jesus-christ-in-scripture/

Jesus Must be Jehovah

https://righterreport.com/2011/09/29/jesus-must-be-jehovah-god/

People who try to deny the deity of Jesus and/or the Holy Spirit simply haven't done their homework.
 
ludin said:
The 3 that bear record is the father son and Holy Ghost.
The three that bear witness on earth is the Holy Spirit, baptism of the saints and the lords supper and
Identifying with the death of Christ.
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thanks,

what is baptism of the saints and the lords supper and identifying with the death of Christ...what does that mean ludin
 
_Sal said:
thanks,

what is baptism of the saints and the lords supper and identifying with the death of Christ...what does that mean ludin
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Baptism is following in Christ footsteps of death burial and resurrection. It is an outspoken expression of an inward impression.
Baptism alone cannot save you, but it is a symbol that you accepted Christ as your savior.

The Lords supper is remembering what Christ did on the cross for you. How his body was broken and his blood spilt.
 
ludin said:
Baptism is following in Christ footsteps of death burial and resurrection. It is an outspoken expression of an inward impression.
Baptism alone cannot save you, but it is a symbol that you accepted Christ as your savior.

The Lords supper is remembering what Christ did on the cross for you. How his body was broken and his blood spilt.
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thanks ludin for taking the time to explain... :thumbs: I think it is all way too protestant/christian for me :lol:
 
_Sal said:
thanks ludin for taking the time to explain... :thumbs: I think it is all way too protestant/christian for me :lol:
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it is pretty much biblical.
 
ludin said:
Baptism is following in Christ footsteps of death burial and resurrection. It is an outspoken expression of an inward impression.
Baptism alone cannot save you, but it is a symbol that you accepted Christ as your savior.

The Lords supper is remembering what Christ did on the cross for you. How his body was broken and his blood spilt.
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And how He was resurrected. You left that out.
 
ludin said:
Baptism is following in Christ footsteps of death burial and resurrection. It is an outspoken expression of an inward impression.
Baptism alone cannot save you, but it is a symbol that you accepted Christ as your savior.

The Lords supper is remembering what Christ did on the cross for you. How his body was broken and his blood spilt.
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I'm gonna guess you are........... Southern Baptist?
 
_Sal said:
thanks ludin for taking the time to explain... :thumbs: I think it is all way too protestant/christian for me :lol:
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It's not protestant -- it's just Bible. Catholics take communion and perform baptisms (although they baptize infants - which I've never understood).
 
Josie said:
It's not protestant -- it's just Bible. Catholics take communion and perform baptisms (although they baptize infants - which I've never understood).
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Since the New Testament era, the Catholic Church has always understood baptism differently, teaching that it is a sacrament which accomplishes several things, the first of which is the remission of sin, both original sin and actual sin—only original sin in the case of infants and young children, since they are incapable of actual sin; and both original and actual sin in the case of older persons.
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Infant Baptism | Catholic Answers

It's a sacrament.

For fundamentalists/born again Christians, isn't more of a ceremony of the acceptance of Christ as one's savior?
 
Josie said:
Depends -- most believe it's just a ceremony. Some believe it is the actual washing away of sins.
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Well, for infants and small children, it's the same thing in that baptism washes away original sin in the eyes of Catholics. At least that's the way I read it.
 
ludin said:
Depends however according to the Bible it is a symbolic gesture.
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Those who don't believe it's just a symbolic gesture would quote Acts 2:38 -- Acts 2:38New International Version (NIV)

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter tells the crowd they must repent and be baptized in order to have their sins forgiven.
 
Gina said:
Well, for infants and small children, it's the same thing in that baptism washes away original sin in the eyes of Catholics. At least that's the way I read it.
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I understand the Catholic concept behind it. I just don't see that in the Bible at all.
 
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