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Do you agree that Christianity, Judaism and Islam share the same God?

Do you agree that Christianity, Judaism and Islam share the same god?

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ludin said:
Establish by who? I just posted a link that says otherwise.
I did why did you ignore the link I posted.

Yes to say someone has to provide evidence when you ignore it.

You say so is not evidence.

Jews and Christians share more in common than they do with muslims.
Christianity is a branch off of Judaism itself.

Allah as I have provided in my link share none of the same characteristics as the Jews or Christians.
This is very evident.
https://oncedelivered.net/2007/12/20/yahweh-the-god-of-the-bible-vs-allah-the-god-of-the-koran/

Just some of the difference.
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I didn't say the religions themselves were in common, did I? Stay on topic. They are all Abrahamic religions, sharing the same God. If you're not satisfied with the following reference, google "Abrahamic religions":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
 
bluesmoke said:
I didn't say the religions themselves were in common, did I? Stay on topic. They are all Abrahamic religions, sharing the same God. If you're not satisfied with the following reference, google "Abrahamic religions":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
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I just proved they don't share the same God by actual theological and educational sources and all you can do is post
Wiki? Not very convincing if you ask me.
Google is not a valid source neither is wiki.

Try something based on actual theologically study.

https://gotquestions.org/who-is-Allah.html
 
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RAMOSS said:
That is a horrible apologistic . While it does point out that the term "Allah" is a generic name for God, it fails to address the history of Islam, and the way the word has been treated for, oh, the last 1600 years.
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At one point they might have been close but now they are completely different.
They are in fact not he same. Again sources I have posted clearly show the differences.
If you want to ignore them that is fine but that doesn't make you argument very strong.

I have posted at least 2 sources that show they are not the same.
Islam took a left turn a while back ago.
 
ludin said:
I just proved they don't share the same God by actual theological and educational sources and all you can do is post
Wiki? Not very convincing if you ask me.
Google is not a valid source neither is wiki.

Try something based on actual theologically study.

https://gotquestions.org/who-is-Allah.html
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No you didn't. You basically said hey this guy agrees with me, and posted the equivalent of a blog post by a Professor at a Christian University who doesn't even prove what he is claiming.


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ludin said:
I just proved they don't share the same God by actual theological and educational sources and all you can do is post
Wiki? Not very convincing if you ask me.
Google is not a valid source neither is wiki.

Try something based on actual theologically study.

https://gotquestions.org/who-is-Allah.html
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I don't particularly think that 'got questions' would be a valid or unbiased source when it comes to religions other than a very narrow interpretation of the Christian religion. It's theology quite often is at odds with other Christian denominations, and certainly, I wouldn't trust it when it comes to Islam, Judaism , Buddhism . or Hinduism
 
ludin said:
Yes I think you do that is why you never address the argument and instead post nothing but fallacies and
Insults at people.

What part of they do not share the same characteristics with each other do you not understand.
Allah and God have very little in common.

That is why the Koran and the Bible are so very different..
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I have addressed all your arguments. Name one I have not ? You are projecting your flaws on to me.

What characteristics are different between the God of Abraham the Jews believe in and the God of Abraham that Muslims believe in ?

You make these naked claims but you do not back them up.
 
ludin said:
I just proved they don't share the same God by actual theological and educational sources and all you can do is post
Wiki? Not very convincing if you ask me.
Google is not a valid source neither is wiki.

Try something based on actual theologically study.

https://gotquestions.org/who-is-Allah.html
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I see nothing in your reference that proves what you say. In fact, it says in the first paragraph:

“The word Allah is used by Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity and Judaism) as meaning “God.” “.

And I don’t see where that sentence is taken out of context. Your reference recognizes that all three described religions share the same God. Regardless, the reference I gave suffices.

How much theological study as a direct source supporting an answer to the topic question are you talking about? The question posed is not complicated and requires little research to answer.

You’ve gotten to the point of spouting nonsense. Wiki references many sources in its rather complete and detailed overview of the Abrahamic religions and, in many cases, other subjects.
Google is a great way to find a source. It’s today’s version of a library.
 
bluesmoke said:
I see nothing in your reference that proves what you say. In fact, it says in the first paragraph:

“The word Allah is used by Arabic speakers of all Abrahamic faiths (including Christianity and Judaism) as meaning “God.” “.
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:doh Pretty much sums up this. Allah is the Arabic word for god. it is never used in the bible. The Hebrew word for God is Yewah or Elohim
or some other iteration of the word depending upon the context. You evidently didn't read the link then because it 100% supports what I said.

And I don’t see where that sentence is taken out of context. Your reference recognizes that all three described religions share the same God. Regardless, the reference I gave suffices.
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No it doesn't but that is what happens when you want to be dishonest. you simply ignore the parts that disagree with you.
there is more to the article than 1 line I suggest you actually read the whole thing along with the other 2 articles I posted on the same thing.

How much theological study as a direct source supporting an answer to the topic question are you talking about? The question posed is not complicated and requires little research to answer.
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Pretty much the 3 articles I have posted in this thread prove they are not the same. if you ignore things then sure you could come up with this argument I suppose.

You’ve gotten to the point of spouting nonsense. Wiki references many sources in its rather complete and detailed overview of the Abrahamic religions and, in many cases, other subjects.
Google is a great way to find a source. It’s today’s version of a library.
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this is nothing more than IE: I can't disprove what you said so I will just ad hominem and hope it sticks. Unfortunately for you I have 3 sources all theological that say they are not the same person.
Allah has different characteristics and qualities that the Hebrew and Christian God if you actually would have read any of the links I posted.
 
thinkagain said:
I have addressed all your arguments. Name one I have not ? You are projecting your flaws on to me.

What characteristics are different between the God of Abraham the Jews believe in and the God of Abraham that Muslims believe in ?

You make these naked claims but you do not back them up.
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I have posted 3 articles that support what I have said.
you ignored them so you are simply being dishonest when you say I have not backed them up
but this is pretty much you MO at this point.
 
RAMOSS said:
I don't particularly think that 'got questions' would be a valid or unbiased source when it comes to religions other than a very narrow interpretation of the Christian religion. It's theology quite often is at odds with other Christian denominations, and certainly, I wouldn't trust it when it comes to Islam, Judaism , Buddhism . or Hinduism
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this is nothing but an ad hominem attack.
https://gotquestions.org/about.html

They are a multi-denominational organization. therefore you are wrong that they are in disagreement with other Christian denominations.
 
ludin said:
this is nothing but an ad hominem attack.
https://gotquestions.org/about.html

They are a multi-denominational organization. therefore you are wrong that they are in disagreement with other Christian denominations.
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Never the less.. they have a very strong bias. For example, their page defining "What is a messianic Jew'" is way off base, and highly dishonest
 
ludin said:
this is nothing but an ad hominem attack.
https://gotquestions.org/about.html

They are a multi-denominational organization. therefore you are wrong that they are in disagreement with other Christian denominations.
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Yet, there are many pages that come from a specific mind set.. and are highly prejudicial against those Christians that disagree with their interpretation. For example, their pages about 'what is Mormonism' and 'Jehovah witness' is very prejudicial, their page on 'what is messianic Judaism' is just plain nonsense, and there are many complaints from Catholics that Catholicism is misrepresented.
 
ludin said:
What is Messianic Judaism? - Congregation Shema Yisrael

https://gotquestions.org/Messianic-Judaism.html

hmm doesn't seem like there is much dishonesty about it. they pretty much match.
maybe some language differences but they agree on the main point.
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Nope. it's absolute nonsense. For one, the vast majority of Messianic Jews aren't even of Jewish heritage. Messianic Judaism is not even Judaism. .. but rather Christians who have adopted Jewish holidays, terminology and customs to attempt to convert Jews. The theology is distinctly non-Jewish.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, there are many pages that come from a specific mind set.. and are highly prejudicial against those Christians that disagree with their interpretation. For example, their pages about 'what is Mormonism' and 'Jehovah witness' is very prejudicial, their page on 'what is messianic Judaism' is just plain nonsense, and there are many complaints from Catholics that Catholicism is misrepresented.
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No they are not prejudicial. They simply tell the truth. "Mormonism" and "Jehovah Witnesses" have many beliefs that conflict with the bible.
In some are in direct contradiction to the bible.

I don't see how you can misrepresent something when they say "we believe this way" then you compare what they believe to actual scripture?

Again I have posted at least 2 other links and one from Columbia that say they are not the same.
They each have different characteristics and they have different roles etc ...
 
RAMOSS said:
Nope. it's absolute nonsense. For one, the vast majority of Messianic Jews aren't even of Jewish heritage. Messianic Judaism is not even Judaism. .. but rather Christians who have adopted Jewish holidays, terminology and customs to attempt to convert Jews. The theology is distinctly non-Jewish.
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so you are disagreeing with an actual rabbi? hmmm you seem to have some issues then.
you claiming nonsense doesn't make it so. that seem to be your go too when you cant' disprove something.

prove they aren't Jewish.

again an actual rabbi disagree's with you but you didn't read both links so I guess you missed that part.
 
ludin said:
No they are not prejudicial. They simply tell the truth. "Mormonism" and "Jehovah Witnesses" have many beliefs that conflict with the bible.
In some are in direct contradiction to the bible.

I don't see how you can misrepresent something when they say "we believe this way" then you compare what they believe to actual scripture?

Again I have posted at least 2 other links and one from Columbia that say they are not the same.
They each have different characteristics and they have different roles etc ...
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No, if you asked what the JW's and the Mormons said about that page, they would say it's prejudigcal. Calling someone's religion a 'Cult' is prejudicial. Just because you buy into the claim doesn't mean it isn't.
 
RAMOSS said:
No, if you asked what the JW's and the Mormons said about that page, they would say it's prejudigcal. Calling someone's religion a 'Cult' is prejudicial. Just because you buy into the claim doesn't mean it isn't.
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not really. it is what it is. It is hard to be called a christian when what someone says directly contradicts Christs own words.
In fact Paul wrote several letters warning of this type of inconsistency.
 
ludin said:
I have posted 3 articles that support what I have said.
you ignored them so you are simply being dishonest when you say I have not backed them up
but this is pretty much you MO at this point.
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You dodged the question.

What characteristics are different between the God of Abraham of the Jews and the God of Abraham of Muslims ?
 
ludin said:
so you are disagreeing with an actual rabbi? hmmm you seem to have some issues then.
you claiming nonsense doesn't make it so. that seem to be your go too when you cant' disprove something.

prove they aren't Jewish.

again an actual rabbi disagree's with you but you didn't read both links so I guess you missed that part.
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The only 'Messianic Jew' is one who is born of a Jewish mother. And they are apostates; reviled by the Jewish community.

Anyone else is merely a gentile appropriating the veneer of Judaism for their Christian faith.
 
ludin said:
so you are disagreeing with an actual rabbi? hmmm you seem to have some issues then.
you claiming nonsense doesn't make it so. that seem to be your go too when you cant' disprove something.

prove they aren't Jewish.

again an actual rabbi disagree's with you but you didn't read both links so I guess you missed that part.
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The thing is.. the Messianic 'Rabbi's' are not Jewish Rabbi's. You will not find any Jewish Rabbi who is orthodox, conservative, Reform, reconstructionist or humanistic that will say 'messianic Judaism' is Judaism. Not even the karsites would say that.

The Messianic Jewish rabbi''s can call themselves rabbi's all they want, but they are not Jewish rabbi's.

And for that, I will give a link to an actual Jewish Rabbi.

Messianic Jews Are Not Jews

Is The Christian Movement Called "Messianic Judaism" a Form of Judaism? - Jews For Judaism

Messianic Judaism - My Jewish Learning
 
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Sherman123 said:
The only 'Messianic Jew' is one who is born of a Jewish mother. And they are apostates; reviled by the Jewish community.

Anyone else is merely a gentile appropriating the veneer of Judaism for their Christian faith.
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I will also say that the vast majority of the ones that were born of Jewish mothers that go to Christianity do not call themselves 'messianic Jews', nor do they follow the Jewish traditions. There might be some who are of Jewish heritage that came from non-religious families, or had Jewish heritage , but I would think it would be exceedingly rare for someone brought up in the Jewish faith and was actually faithful to be what is known as a Messianic Jew. The ones i know that are now Christian call themselves Christian, and do not celebrate in the Jewish manner
 
Jetboogieman said:
I lean towards yes.

It's just different interpretations and different levels of seriousness in which its taken.
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The Bible in part is based on Jewish texts, and parts of the Quran are based on the New Testament. So technically speaking all three religions do have a common base. But the interpretations are different.
 
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