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SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY![W:161]

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HonestJoe said:
You've claimed the SSM ruling impacts religious expression but the very fact that those other things many Christians consider sins (including homosexuality itself) have been legal for a long time without impacting religious expression, you've not shown why the SSM ruling is a special case.

You're also not addressed my point that even if there is an impact, pretty much all laws will impact someone negativity so why should Christians and this law be treated as a special case?
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ANd thats exactly where the lie in the op has its hypocrisy and logic exposed.
Like i said, if one claims SSM does what the OP says then legal marriage has to also do the same thing and has been for thier whole lives . . along with every other legal sin . . . can't work any other way . . .
any claim otherwise is hypocrisy and exposes the real reasons

reminds me of the cases where gays or a gay event were denied service or access based on religion but then non religious or other religions people/events were not. It quickly exposes the bigotry against GAYS and not something base on religion.

or just like a judge/clerk that says they cant do marriages or issue licenses for gays but did it for non religious marriages or marriages based on other religions . . .total lies and hypocrisy.
 
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joG said:
1.)You are absolutely right. The New-Bigots are really quite blind, dishonest and put their bodily desires before the basic rights of their fellow citizens from their communal Constitution. A pretty ugly lot.
2.)But that is less what I find remarkable, which is that they seemingly do not understand the dangers to themselves, their demands imply. As specimens in a sociological experiment, though, they are very interesting.
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1.) i agree but they arent NEW they have been around for ever, people falsely using religion to hide their bigotry isn't new and they are a very ugly lot
2.) i agree here also, they are a danger to themselves and this countr. if they got what they wanted, a government based on thier subjective opinion of religion, they dont even realize the rights of us all would be in jeopardy. ANd that Christians like myself that support rights and the constitution could one day not even be able to practice because those nutters tried to use thier religion in a false way and make it run government infringing on the rights of us all.

I dont know if i find it interesting but it is sad they dont even understand thier own rights and how they apply to all of us and their actions could lead to them having less rights. Luckily most Christians arent like that.

Either way im glad equal rights and the constitution is winning and our rights including all of our religious rights are fully protected and these nutters are losing.
 
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HonestJoe said:
You've claimed the SSM ruling impacts religious expression but the very fact that those other things many Christians consider sins (including homosexuality itself) have been legal for a long time without impacting religious expression, you've not shown why the SSM ruling is a special case.

You're also not addressed my point that even if there is an impact, pretty much all laws will impact someone negativity so why should Christians and this law be treated as a special case?
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As far as I know, we can still shout on rooftops that adultery is a grievous sin without having to face any penalties for it.
We can even frown on married people having extra-marital affairs - some churches even boot them out as members of the congregation if they persists. Priests and pastors often points to adultery in their sermons. So far, there's never been any attempt from the law, or human rights tribunals, or anyone to try to censure or prevent anyone from expressing their views regarding adultery or extra-marital affairs.

We can still say that marrying a dog is really, really grossly disgusting, and a downright abomination!

But that could be changing....thanks to the precedence of SSM ruling.


Someone who married an animal might just challenge that. You think they should have the same right?

All it takes now is for an adulterer to openly challenge that in court to make it discriminatory to point out adultery as a sin (which should be quite interesting, if he/she's still together with his/her legal spouse). :)
 
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joG said:
Majorities an the street usually do not see the persecution their demands imply. It is not that they are idiots. It is human nature and exactly, what the Constitution was meant to prevent.
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yep and in this case where people were trying to infringe on the rights of gays it worked perfectly. took long but it worked. States over stepped thier powers and infringed on individual rights and the fed corrected that mistake. EQUAL RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION WINS.
 
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I don't understand. Did the moderators here tell you that due to the SSM ruling you were no longer able to call homosexuality a sin?
 
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tosca1 said:



if you believe homosexuality is not forbidden....well of course, the ruling will have no impact on your belief.


you can't speak for me, though....or, for those who don't believe the way you do.
Especially when you offer no sound rebuttal.
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agent j said:
what are you talking about a belief that homosexual is forbidden doesnt change anything that lie was already destroyed lmao
fact remains that legal marriage has impacted you your whole entire life and so has ever other sin that is not illegal or they havent. You cant have it both ways.
You op instantly fails because of how illogical and hypocritical it is.

Lets see if you answer this simply question.
Does legal marriage without ssm added to it also impact you? Yes or no

i bet you dodge this question :d
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**crickets**
 
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tosca1 said:
We can still say that marrying a dog is really, really grossly disgusting, and a downright abomination!

But that could be changing....thanks to the precedence of SSM ruling.

Someone who married an animal might just challenge that. You think they should have the same right?
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Behold the hyperbole of Tosca. Not only does gay marriage violate her rights, it also leads to animal rape.
 
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The ruling has nothing to do with anything the OP is talking about. There are LOTS of things that are legal that different religions consider sins. So what? No, you shouldn't be proselytizing while you are on the clock if you are a public employee because that isn't what you are paid to do. But once you clock out you are free to go preaching what you want.

It is amazing how SOME Christians want to take something that has nothing to do with them and make themselves out to be the victim.
 
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HonestJoe said:
You've claimed the SSM ruling impacts religious expression but the very fact that those other things many Christians consider sins (including homosexuality itself) have been legal for a long time without impacting religious expression, you've not shown why the SSM ruling is a special case.
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Why do you think SSM is a special case? What's the difference between those other sins and SSM ruling?
Wanna take a guess?


I'm surprised you asked that. Perhaps you should check these threads out:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-a...efused-make-gay-wedding-cake-raises-352k.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/sex-and-sexuality/228663-oregon-bakers-weren-t-fined-over-cake.html


I'm only going to engage posters who'd had some understanding why right to religion is a concern with SSM ruling.
This was heavily discussed already. I don't want to go on a lengthy redundant issue again.
 
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tosca1 said:
As far as I know, we can still shout on rooftops that adultery is a grievous sin without having to face any penalties for it.
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You can shout that about abortion, Paganism and homosexuality being sins too. Some people will shout back on those issues and some will even (wrongly) try to silence you, just as some would try to silence them too. All of that has been the case for a long time though and none of it changes in any direction as a result of the SSM ruling.

tosca1 said:
But that could be changing....thanks to the precedence of SSM ruling.
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So you've already shifted from a does to a could. You've still not demonstrated how that specific ruling caused (or could cause) such an impact. Remember homosexuality was already illegal and some anti-discrimination laws already incorporated it.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Behold the hyperbole of Tosca. Not only does gay marriage violate her rights, it also leads to animal rape.
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Surely, eating babies can't be far behind.

Not sure if it will be all babies, or just the Pharisee babies, but you know it's going to happen!
 
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tosca1 said:
We can still say that marrying a dog is really, really grossly disgusting, and a downright abomination!

But that could be changing....thanks to the precedence of SSM ruling.


Someone who married an animal might just challenge that. You think they should have the same right?
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I AM DIRECTLY CHALLENGING YOU. Please provide ONE single fact based on legality that the sole precedence of SSM can lead to bestiality . .

You wont, cause you can't because just like the OP that lie fails lol
facts win again
 
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tosca1 said:



If you believe homosexuality is not forbidden....well of course, the ruling will have no impact on YOUR belief.


You can't speak for me, though....or, for those who don't believe the way you do.
Especially when you offer no sound rebuttal.
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If you believe the ultimate goal of Christianity is eternal life you are doomed from the start. Not only is their no eternal life but if there was one you would be the last to get it. Jesus preached love for your fellow man as his goal and you fail miserably .
 
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tosca1 said:
Why do you think SSM is a special case? What's the difference between those other sins and SSM ruling?
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Homosexuality seems to be the sin-de-jour in the USA. Ironically, I think it's some of the high profile active discrimination that pushed the kind of laws you're now objecting to along. Again, the SSM ruling itself does really change much.

tosca1 said:
I'm surprised you asked that. Perhaps you should check these threads out:
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Those incidents all occurred before the Supreme Court ruling. If you have an issue with anti-discrimination laws you can raise those issues. It's your specific linking it to the SSM ruling that I'm challenging.

Incidentally, you don't seem to be offering any solution to the perceived problem. Are you saying homosexuals should be denied the right to marry just because some Christians disapprove?
 
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I love that this post failed as soon as it started.
Since the OP failed is there anybody else that can support the false claim?
 
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The only thing about Christianity that is impacted by equality for gays is its ability to hold power over the rest of society. We do not want to live subjugated by your religion. You can if you wish, but the constitution protects us. We do not have to hold to your religious mores. You do not get to spread your gospel to us. We get to reject it all we like. We are not erring. We are free. You are, too, with exactly as much choice about your life as we have about ours.

The right of gays to marry, just like everyone else, was a victory for liberty over theocracy. Religious mores do NOT get enshrined in law in this country and should not anywhere in the world. It is tyranny and nothing else.
 
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HonestJoe said:
You can shout that about abortion, Paganism and homosexuality being sins too. Some people will shout back on those issues and some will even (wrongly) try to silence you, just as some would try to silence them too. All of that has been the case for a long time though and none of it changes in any direction as a result of the SSM ruling.
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????

I'm not talking about shouting back! We're not on the same page here.....



So you've already shifted from a does to a could. You've still not demonstrated how that specific ruling caused (or could cause) such an impact. Remember homosexuality was already illegal and some anti-discrimination laws already incorporated it.
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?????

Well, yes...."could" is the appropriate term to use - UNLESS it's already been challenged in court by a guy who married his dog!
Again, we're not on the same page. You should review those two threads I gave you.
 
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Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
We can still say that marrying a dog is really, really grossly disgusting, and a downright abomination!

But that could be changing....thanks to the precedence of SSM ruling.


Someone who married an animal might just challenge that. You think they should have the same right?


AGENT J said:
I AM DIRECTLY CHALLENGING YOU. Please provide ONE single fact based on legality that the sole precedence of SSM can lead to bestiality . .

You wont, cause you can't because just like the OP that lie fails lol
facts win again
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Take a deep breath, AgentJ. Read my quoted post again. SLOWLY. Your response is out of whack.

That's a good example how your mind process what you read.....it's faulty.

I'm not surprised at all you think the OP fails.
 
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iguanaman said:
If you believe the ultimate goal of Christianity is eternal life you are doomed from the start. Not only is their no eternal life but if there was one you would be the last to get it. Jesus preached love for your fellow man as his goal and you fail miserably .
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:roll:

If I want any atheist's explanation of the Scriptures, I'd post a separate thread for it, thank you.

Your views about the Scriptures and your judgement, are irrelevant to me. Sorry.
 
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tosca1 said:



Take a deep breath, AgentJ. Read my quoted post again. SLOWLY. Your response is out of whack.

That's a good example how your mind process what you read.....it's faulty.

I'm not surprised at all you think the OP fails.
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translation you wont answer the questions, thats what we though. LMAO
Ill ask both of them AGAIN
Please provide ONE single fact based on legality that the sole precedence of SSM can lead to bestiality . .
next please answer this, Does legal marriage (Without SSM) also impact you?

again you will dodge these questions
the op completely fails and facts win again
 
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Will preaching the evils of buggery now be hate speech? I don't intend ever to celebrate the virtues of homosexuality, and anyone who doesn't like that can go chase himself. Unlike the leftists who make up most of the proponents of the homosexual agenda, I believe in the First Amendment. If the members of the Westboro Baptist Church or others like them want to publicly denounce homosexuality as an abomination, I strongly defend their right to do it. The intolerant little curs who want to silence anyone who doesn't say and think just what they want them to are in for some rude surprises. Despite the best efforts of leftists, this is still a free country.
 
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HonestJoe said:
Homosexuality seems to be the sin-de-jour in the USA. Ironically, I think it's some of the high profile active discrimination that pushed the kind of laws you're now objecting to along. Again, the SSM ruling itself does really change much.

Those incidents all occurred before the Supreme Court ruling. If you have an issue with anti-discrimination laws you can raise those issues. It's your specific linking it to the SSM ruling that I'm challenging.

Incidentally, you don't seem to be offering any solution to the perceived problem. Are you saying homosexuals should be denied the right to marry just because some Christians disapprove?
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What do you think? Gays never existed before the SSM controversy?

What are all the lawsuits about? CELEBRATION OF GAY WEDDINGS!
 
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tosca1 said:
What are all the lawsuits about? CELEBRATION OF GAY WEDDINGS!
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there are ZERO law suits about "celebration of gay weddings" ZERO

another lie destroyed LMAO
disagree? provide one fact that shows there were lawsuits over "celebration of gay weddings" and what the compliant/law broken or judgement actually was, we'd all love to read it. This is gonna be good!
 
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tosca1 said:
The SSM ruling is the train that pulls a string of caboose with it.

It impacts different areas of Christianity.
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For years Christianity has negatively impacted the lives of others and Christians didn't give a $hit. If gays having the same rights as us straights bothers you then tough titty, get over it, $hit happens eh?

There are sensible Christians here not bothered by SSM. Reasonable people. There are Christian groups (The Quakers for example) who have argued vehemently for SSM - admirable. The rest of you are getting on our wicks pretending to be persecuted - you're not. You're hatemongers and the worst advert for Christianity. When will you learn that discrimination is wrong, and YOU Christians are not being discriminated against here.
 
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