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A Question for My Fellow Christians...

What others say doesn't offend me. As a Christian, I have my own problems I wrestle with, and they're mine in every way. What you say may offend another, and I leave it up to you to determine exactly who that might be, but it isn't me. I don't have a dog in that hunt.
 
Paschendale said:
And (almost) all Americans are modern, secular people, despite their cultural links to medieval religion. Cool racism, though. Or if that offends your delicate sensibilities, just ethnocentrism and arrogance.

I know you're smarter than this. So why is it that whenever you're faced with the reality of what exceedingly devout members of your faith (I would argue more devout, since they place religion over country and certainly over national values like freedom of religion) do because of that faith, you go into denial mode?

And how did we even get to this tangent anyway? I just said that it was rude to tell people that they should censor their speech because of someone else's religious beliefs. But it's gotta get into some kind of excuse making because Saudi Arabia is a worse place to live than the United States. Whatever. I'm done with this.
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Good.

Why any Christian member ever gives you the time of day is beyond me. It's not like we don't know what to expect. Christians = bad and always, always wrong, even when having a conversation among ourselves. Lol.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh didn't you know? Christianity IS racist.

Islam is not
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Well I certainly would love Paschendale to tell me why he thought that what Goshin said was racist. I know what you are saying, but.....

paschendale said:
I seriously would like an answer, Paschendale.
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Paschendale said:
And (almost) all Americans are modern, secular people, despite their cultural links to medieval religion. Cool racism, though. Or if that offends your delicate sensibilities, just ethnocentrism and arrogance.

I know you're smarter than this. So why is it that whenever you're faced with the reality of what exceedingly devout members of your faith (I would argue more devout, since they place religion over country and certainly over national values like freedom of religion) do because of that faith, you go into denial mode?

And how did we even get to this tangent anyway? I just said that it was rude to tell people that they should censor their speech because of someone else's religious beliefs. But it's gotta get into some kind of excuse making because Saudi Arabia is a worse place to live than the United States. Whatever. I'm done with this.
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Way to ignore facts. Bravo.

Incidentally, you've got it backwards. RUDE is when you persist in saying/doing things in someone's face when you know it bothers them. That's VERY rude.
 
Goshin said:
RUDE is when you persist in saying/doing things in someone's face when you know it bothers them. That's VERY rude.
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Unless it's flying a confederate flag. Then it's not rude; it's a tribute to honor and valor. :roll:
 
sangha said:
Unless it's flying a confederate flag. Then it's not rude; it's a tribute to honor and valor. :roll:
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Is it in your state?


No?


Then it isn't in your face.
 
Superfly said:
Well I certainly would love Paschendale to tell me why he thought that what Goshin said was racist. I know what you are saying, but.....
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The assertion that Africans are automatically brutal, regardless of the strife they experience or the economic hardships in that part of the world. That's pretty nasty. It's also grossly inaccurate, as there are many places in Africa, most notably cities, where there is peace and prosperity, and a significant amount of secular liberalism, in contrast to the more rural religious fanatics. This is true in both Muslim and Christian countries. The brutality faced by innocent people is largely the same in both areas, especially in the viciousness directed towards women.

As both religions are essentially localized versions of ancient Judaism, it is unsurprising that the xenophobia and misogyny of that religion is a part of its children. But in all three cases, modern, secular, and liberal thought has displaced these ugly roots in many places, much of the United States being a prominent example.

Also, fearandloathing is incorrect. Both religions are quite racist. Christianity is white supremist, while Islam is Arab supremist. We like to think of Islam as entirely Arabic and centered in the Middle East, but this is not true. Islam extends into Africa and Asia and generally treats non-Arab Muslims as second class. Sometimes I wonder if Israeli Jews think the same way about their American cousins, especially since American Jews skew much more Reform and liberal (like my family) while Israeli Jews skew more towards conservative orthodoxy.

Goshin said:
Way to ignore facts. Bravo.


Incidentally, you've got it backwards. RUDE is when you persist in saying/doing things in someone's face when you know it bothers them. That's VERY rude.
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If I hate hats, do you really think that you have an obligation not to wear a hat near me? No. It's only rude if the person's objection is rational. Expecting someone else to censor themselves over something as arbitrary as another's belief is not rational. You don't think that you have an obligation not to depict Muhammad, so you're just giving special privilege to your particular set of beliefs. That won't do at all for a functioning system of etiquette.
 
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Goshin said:
Way to ignore facts. Bravo.

Incidentally, you've got it backwards. RUDE is when you persist in saying/doing things in someone's face when you know it bothers them. That's VERY rude.
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If we were talking about phrases like "Muhammad in a Milkshake" and our insistance on using it despite anyone's objections to it, you just know Pasch would be consistent and defend our right to do so and tell those others just how rude they are to let us know just how much they dislike it, right? :lol:

It is funny to watch him post around me but he just can't bring himself to respond directly to me and that's because he knows I have his number. No matter the thread, no matter the topic, Christians are always wrong and there is not one ounce of concern in him if Christians are beheaded for being Christians. He's certainly never posted any disagreement with it. What he says on anything or anyone Christian (or right wing for that matter) doesn't add anything and his only cred is only with people that think just like him.
 
Gardener said:
It doesn't bother me at all.

If I am with a friend who it does bother, however, I will certainly refrain from using such language.
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I know, my friend, and honestly, it doesn't even bother me to any great degree. If I had to name a particular person off the top of my head that's ever used it, I don't think I could. I don't hold it against anyone (well I should say that I don't hold it against anyone who I know is not a hater) and I'd never say that someone couldn't say it to/around me if they wanted to. It is funny that this thread was about my (as well as other Christians) subjective feelings about something and apparently, we're still the ones who are wrong and bigoted to have such feelings.

Sometimes, you just gotta laugh.
 
X Factor said:
Just out of curiosity, do comments like "Christ on a cracker", etc. bother you at all? I admit that it is something that feels like a little dig at my faith. I totally acknowledge that many times there is no ill will intended and often people are just trying to be funny (and goodness know that I've said offensive things just going for the laugh). I'm just saying that, while it's not something I dwell on, I personally don't care for it.

(and now that I've admitted that, I fully expect to see it a lot more in replies and responses to me :mrgreen:)
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You aren't alone, X.
 
It's bothersome alright, as is profanity.

Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate.
 
Logicman said:
It's bothersome alright, as is profanity.

Profanity is the linguistic crutch of the inarticulate.
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The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just a ****ing lunatic.
 
brothern said:
The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest is just a ****ing lunatic.
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There's a lot of educated people who are inarticulate, moral lepers and/or potty-mouthed nitwits.
 
Goshin said:
Is it in your state?


No?


Then it isn't in your face.
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It's in the face of the people below
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/24/us/south-carolina-nikki-haley-confederate-flag.html?_r=0
 
X Factor said:
Just out of curiosity, do comments like "Christ on a cracker", etc. bother you at all? I admit that it is something that feels like a little dig at my faith. I totally acknowledge that many times there is no ill will intended and often people are just trying to be funny (and goodness know that I've said offensive things just going for the laugh). I'm just saying that, while it's not something I dwell on, I personally don't care for it.

(and now that I've admitted that, I fully expect to see it a lot more in replies and responses to me :mrgreen:)
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"God" is not god's name.

Saying "god bless you" is equally vain but don't let that stop your selective outrage.
 
X Factor said:
Just out of curiosity, do comments like "Christ on a cracker", etc. bother you at all? I admit that it is something that feels like a little dig at my faith. I totally acknowledge that many times there is no ill will intended and often people are just trying to be funny (and goodness know that I've said offensive things just going for the laugh). I'm just saying that, while it's not something I dwell on, I personally don't care for it.

(and now that I've admitted that, I fully expect to see it a lot more in replies and responses to me :mrgreen:)
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Yes, it bothers me a little. But not nearly as much as GD.
 
Paschendale said:
The assertion that Africans are automatically brutal, regardless of the strife they experience or the economic hardships in that part of the world. ....
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I didn't say "Africans", I said "Africa". In general, Africa is an extremely brutal place, compared to the West. Despite your statements about some places that are exceptions, it remains fact that there is enormous brutality perpetrated in Africa, practically beyond the imagination of the average Westerner, and perpetrated by a wide variety of sources including Muslim and Tribal organizations.

Way to twist what I said.
 
Goshin said:
I didn't say "Africans", I said "Africa". In general, Africa is an extremely brutal place, compared to the West. Despite your statements about some places that are exceptions, it remains fact that there is enormous brutality perpetrated in Africa, practically beyond the imagination of the average Westerner, and perpetrated by a wide variety of sources including Muslim and Tribal organizations.

Way to twist what I said.
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Yeah, well you know how some people are. They will find racism in anything. :roll:
 
Logicman said:
I don't consider that articulate by any means.
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That just shows the extreme lack of discernment on your part, morally, intellectually and spiritually.
 
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