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Jesus on the Cross

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Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
Omnipotence has limits. For example, God cannot create a greater God. Or a thousand greater Gods. Therein lies the paradox of omnipotence.
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Furthermore, had God created greater gods does not mean they'd be greater than their Creator. They will still be His creation...creatures.....and He'll still be above them.


Check Arianism (Arius).
 
Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
Omnipotence has limits. For example, God cannot create a greater God. Or a thousand greater Gods. Therein lies the paradox of omnipotence.
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if someone would create someone who'd surpass one's power - that would prove the creator is not particularly bright. :lol:

That would be the thing that would create a paradox since we know God has the wisdom and intelligence.
 
BrewerBob said:
I have to admit I have never seen what was so exceptional about Jesus' execution. Don't get me wrong, it was certainly horrible torture but throughout history countless people have been tortured as bad, or worse, for longer. Hell, there have been people around the world THIS YEAR who have suffered as bad or worse. And those people didn't get to become King of Heaven. Had the sinless Christ willingly gone to Hell and STAYED there for eternity then I could see that being a sacrifice worthy of everyones salvation, assuming the concept of sacrifice made any sense at all.
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First based on the reality that Jesus was just an extraordinary human man =

The point was that Jesus was not a sinner (He had no sin) and as such then His death would make God as guilty for God to allow an innocent man to die, see Acts 2:24, and therefore Jesus broke the barrier by creating the legal precedence that humanity could not be given the death sentence and every person must thereby be SAVED by the Father God.

It really was NOT necessary for the death to be so severe (the crucifixion) but Jesus was giving an example of defiance and He was taking away excuses and He created the concept of being a martyr.
 
tosca1 said:
Furthermore, had God created greater gods does not mean they'd be greater than their Creator. They will still be His creation...creatures.....and He'll still be above them.
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You've either outlined a paradox or a limit to God's power. Further, a creation is not inherently limited to the scope of the creator's power (see Frankenstein's monster).

If God created a Greater God, he would by definition be superior to God. Either that, or the Greater God would not be greater.
 
tosca1 said:
How do you know God cannot create a greater god? Or a thousand greater gods?
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If God can be exceeded, even by his own creations, then his power is not absolute. It's actually a simple concept.
 
phattonez said:
Death. Spiritual death is the result of sin.
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It's been framed to me by some Christians that everyone gets eternal life after their mortal death. It's just a matter of the climate God chooses for you.
 
Amadeus said:
You've either outlined a paradox or a limit to God's power. Further, a creation is not inherently limited to the scope of the creator's power (see Frankenstein's monster).
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Frankenstein novel has had different versions made into movies. I don't think it's a valid comparison.



If God created a Greater God, he would by definition be superior to God. Either that, or the Greater God would not be greater.
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Why would anyone create someone much greater than him? That defies logic.

Omnipotence is defined as having the ULTIMATE power and ULTIMATE authority. There can be none who'll exceed that - otherwise he no longer holds that title.
 
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Amadeus said:
If God can be exceeded, even by his own creations, then his power is not absolute. It's actually a simple concept.
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But there's no one that exceeds God! As you'd said yourself, He did not create anyone greater than Him.

So...I don't know what we're debating about.
 
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