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There is No Biblical Basis of The Propsperity Gospel

spud_meister said:
Does God then only affect the lives of those who believe in Him?
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I'll give you free will, but you'll rot in hell if you use your free will to not believe in me. - God
 
Dovkan said:
I'll give you free will, but you'll rot in hell if you use your free will to not believe in me. - God
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well..... duh? I have the ability to drive my car off a cliff but guess what, it'll kill me. Not sure I should sue Toyota for that.
 
Declan said:
There is no Biblical basis for the prosperity gospel. To pretend that those who have wealth and success are somehow blessed by God contradicts the very teachings of the Bible and perverts scripture.

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Occasionally in the Bible God blesses people with great wealth or lots of livestock, etc. Three examples include Abraham, Solomon, and in the end, Job.
 
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Logicman said:
Occasionally in the Bible God blesses people with great wealth or lots of livestock, etc. Three examples include Abraham, Solomon, and in the end, Job.
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They were just lucky to squeeze through the pearly gates before Jesus brought up camels and needles.
 
Logicman said:
If Joel Osteen is crossways with the Lord he'll answer to the Lord for it. Same as if and when Hillary Clinton, her husband, and big spenders Michelle and Barack Obama will answer for their sins.
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And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew/19-24
 
Declan said:
There is no Biblical basis for the prosperity gospel. To pretend that those who have wealth and success are somehow blessed by God contradicts the very teachings of the Bible and perverts scripture.

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God never made anyone prosperous? Who built the second Temple?
 
Risky Thicket said:
Do you have a point?
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Good that Logicman had brought those up.

Speaking for myself, I'd say that we don't know if prosperity and success of people had come from God.

God can give anything He wants to give for His own reasons....so that can also include prosperity and success. Being a Christian however, does not necessarily make us privvy to that.
We only know what He chooses us to know. And usually, that's a very personal and private matter that is between the individual and God. Sometimes the individual wouldn't even know, or wouldn't even acknowledge that!

Wealth and possession comes from different ways. People get wealthy and successful for a reason.

Who knows, the wealth could've come from Satan! Ala-Job (but the other way around)!
Maybe Satan says: people will easily forget God once you fill them with wealth! Couldn't that be possible?



We do not have the right to say, "Oh he got wealthy because God gave it to him." or "He got cancer because God punished him!"
 
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It's quite possible too, that someone becomes wealthy and successful, and famous because God did make it that way.


Show me what you can do with that, God might've said. We see a lot of famous folks who try to show God what they can do with their good fortune. They praise God and glorify God....... and are spreading the Word of God in their own way.

Some are philantrophists. Not only alleviating hunger and poverty - but also funding the good cause for God (which can be heavily political)! Yes. it can extend to politics - after all this is where the movers and shakers usually end up!


Then it's possible too that God knows what wealth will surely do to you, thus no matter what you do
(for your own sake)....you'll never get wealthy.
 
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winston53660 said:
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew/19-24
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Grand Mal: They were just lucky to squeeze through the pearly gates before Jesus brought up camels and needles.
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You guys still don't get it, do you? It's not money that's the problem, it's the LOVE OF MONEY. And unless you can show me Abraham, Solomon, and Job loved money and it wasn't their idol, then you've got nothing.
 
The way I see it, there are several problems with "Prosperity Gospel" theology:

1. Materialism is a form of idolatry. The love of fancy cars, expensive clothes, big homes and other forms of luxury are examples of idolatry.

2. Prosperity Gospel is a First World phenomena. There have been plenty of mothers in Subsaharan Africa that were much stronger in their faith than the vast majority of westerners yet still watched their kids starve to death, yet we have many Americans thinking God blessed them with a $400,000 dollar home.

3. The entire notion of it violates Free Will. If someone gives you a raise, hires you for a good job, leaves you money in a will and so on, then they have to freely choose to do so of their own volition. Otherwise the world contains nothing but puppets of God whom he directs for your benefit.

Which is why the entire notion of the "Prosperity Gospel" is nothing but the glorification of narcissism.
 
You won't hear that crap in a Catholic Church. Quite the opposite actually.
 
Logicman said:
If Joel Osteen is crossways with the Lord he'll answer to the Lord for it. Same as if and when Hillary Clinton, her husband, and big spenders Michelle and Barack Obama will answer for their sins.
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What about Dick Cheney & GWB? Were they doing Gods work. Its OK when your side does it, but we must point out the Sins of the other. OK
 
kjwins said:
What about Dick Cheney & GWB? Were they doing Gods work. Its OK when your side does it, but we must point out the Sins of the other. OK
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According to the Catholic Church, the Iraq war was not a just war so, no, they weren't doing God's work.
 
To Hell with your Propsperity Gospel, when people live in the street.

 
kjwins said:
What about Dick Cheney & GWB? Were they doing Gods work. Its OK when your side does it, but we must point out the Sins of the other. OK
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Everybody gets to be held to account.
 
kjwins said:
To Hell with your Propsperity Gospel, when people live in the street.

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A lot of people don't want to work, or are drug addicts, etc.

But at least in many places there's Christian homeless shelters, soup kitchens, and other outreach programs. I have personal experience from serving at a homeless shelter for almost five years that when the twice-a-week Christian service is held, you don't want to light a match in there because of all the alcohol fumes from the transients.
 
Logicman said:
A lot of people don't want to work, or are drug addicts, etc.

But at least in many places there's Christian homeless shelters, soup kitchens, and other outreach programs. I have personal experience from serving at a homeless shelter for almost five years that when the twice-a-week Christian service is held, you don't want to light a match in there because of all the alcohol fumes from the transients.
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I think its great that you help out. Not enough people do, or go into the heart of the matter. You say: A lot of people don't want to work, or are drug addicts, etc. I would change this to some people. There are more than a million homeless kids in this country, not to mention war vets also. Most of the working poor are a pay check away from the street.
 
One of the best prayers in all the bible regarding wealth - its source and its proper use - from I Chronicles 29:10ff

"So David blessed the Lord in the sight of all the assembly; and David said, “Blessed are You, O Lord God of Israel our father, forever and ever. Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O Lord, and You exalt Yourself as head over all. Both riches and honor come from You, and You rule over all, and in Your hand is power and might; and it lies in Your hand to make great and to strengthen everyone. Now therefore, our God, we thank You, and praise Your glorious name.

But who am I and who are my people that we should be able to offer as generously as this? For all things come from You, and from Your hand we have given You. For we are sojourners before You, and tenants, as all our fathers were; our days on the earth are like a shadow, and there is no hope. O Lord our God, all this abundance that we have provided to build You a house for Your holy name, it is from Your hand, and all is Yours..."

It's all His to begin with. It comes from Him, and what we give back to Him, be it for His temple (as above) or for the things on His heart - the poor, the orphaned, the widowed, etc. we do so out of the abundance He first gave us.
 
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