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Sensing God part 2 [W:65]

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I don't know.... if it's a God, it would be incomprehensible to describe probably. Probably like heroin lol, even though I've never had it.

But I don't think a God puts feelings in others.... feelings are just chemical reactions in your body.

A god maybe cannot put feelings in others anymore than you can put taste into a cake. It's the balance that creates the experience.
 
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There was this once experience - I was making an offering to Him in my own way - and I felt this surge of extreme joy fill my heart that it felt like it would burst. I sat down and was in awe, and relished that experience.
It's the extreme joyful feeling that stood out....it just came out of nowhere.
It's hard to explain accurately in words....

And exactly how do you know this experience was God, rather than an emotional experience your brain went through that you were merely interpreting is God?
 
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And exactly how do you know this experience was God, rather than an emotional experience your brain went through that you were merely interpreting is God?


If you're an atheist....

Ask me that.....when you manage to come up with a rational reason why you don't believe God exists.
If not, then zip. You don't have any grounds, or credibility at all to question people's belief in His existence!

With all the rational evidences provided by science and Philosophy that point to the possibility of God's existence, and that's not counting the Bible and millions of testimonies from people all over the world - a lot of whom have been former atheists btw ......


....... why couldn't it be God?
 
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If you're an atheist....

Ask me that.....when you manage to come up with a rational reason why you don't believe God exists.
If not, then zip. You don't have any grounds, or credibility at all to question people's belief in His existence!

With all the rational evidences provided by science and Philosophy that point to the possibility of God's existence, and that's not counting the Bible and millions of testimonies from people all over the world - a lot of whom have been former atheists btw ......


....... why couldn't it be God?


Mainly.. because people can't answer the question I just posed in a logical and rational manner, and there is no objective evidence you can SHOW others. It's all personal testimony that can not be shown to be accurate. T

Can youshow me?? Or just make a claim that it is? One thing I would think would think would be a consequence of such intimate contact with benovlent all powerful deity would be certain personality traits to manifest itself.. kindness, compassion, being civil. Instead, many of those who make the claim are rude, angry. incoherent, and just plain nasty. That to me is very strong evidence the claims are incorrect.

While it 'might' be god, mere 'hey, I had this experience, and therefore God' is not evidence. It is evidence of brain activity that sometimes gets interpreted as God, but jumping to 'It's actually God' is a vast leap of non-logic.
 
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...many of those who make the claim are rude, angry. incoherent, and just plain nasty.

People have a tendency to get testy when you call them liars, especially over something as personal as this. On some forums they call what you just did "mind reading", quite uncivil:

One thing I would think would think would be a consequence of such intimate contact with benovlent all powerful deity would be certain personality traits to manifest itself.. kindness, compassion, being civil.

When you refuse to show "kindness, compassion, and civility" to others what right do you have to expect it in return?

And being nice about calling someone a liar is not "civil".
 
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People have a tendency to get testy when you call them liars, especially over something as personal as this. On some forums they call what you just did "mind reading", quite uncivil:



When you refuse to show "kindness, compassion, and civility" to others what right do you have to expect it in return?

And being nice about calling someone a liar is not "civil".

The people who are nasty and uncivil are nasty and uncivil all the time seem to be nasty to other theists, I wonder why that is if you think people object to them being called liars? Amazing.
 
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The people who are nasty and uncivil are nasty and uncivil all the time seem to be nasty to other theists, I wonder why that is if you think people object to them being called liars? Amazing.

It's because atheists and non-Christians are poor judges of anything Christian, let alone the hearts of Christian believers.
 
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The people who are nasty and uncivil are nasty and uncivil all the time seem to be nasty to other theists, I wonder why that is if you think people object to them being called liars? Amazing.

As I read along here, you seem to have a great deal of trouble with the idea that others have had experiences that you have not, and I think that makes you angry: your avatar betrays you...

Here's a like question for you:

What does water taste like?
 
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When you sense God, what do you feel?

A few decades ago I had become an Episcopalian. At the time I enjoyed high church. It was during high church at the cathedral that I felt something. That was as far as it went. But I liked the Dean and the fact that the church was more work than talk in the community.

It was during this time that I was in graduate school. I spent most of my waking hours at the university, especially weekends. I loved it, to be honest. There were times I really needed a break, but I loved the work and the study.

One Sunday, my head crammed full, I need a break from studying for two tests. I left my study carrel locked the door and walked to a nearby pond and just sat there. My brain was so overloaded I couldn't think. There was no one around. No distractions. I've gone over the scenario hundreds of times.

As I sat there not thinking about anything, nothing, no thoughts at all, I saw fish swimming near the edge of the pond, there were a few ducks swimming and cat tails blowing in a light breeze. Suddenly BAM! I knew that there was no separation between the pond, the fish, the breeze, the ducks, the cat tails or me. None. I was one with everything. It was not an understanding. The experience transcended understanding. It was knowing. There is no real way to convey the experience. Pure love, absolute peace, total joy don't come close to what happened.

It was perhaps another 10 or 12 years before I knew anything about Buddhism. There is a Japanese Buddhist term "kenshō" that describes the experience as a brief glimpse of enlightenment. Have I been able to return to kenshō since? No. But I have been there once and I cannot forget the experience. I know it exists.
 
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A few decades ago I had become an Episcopalian. At the time I enjoyed high church. It was during high church at the cathedral that I felt something. That was as far as it went. But I liked the Dean and the fact that the church was more work than talk in the community.

It was during this time that I was in graduate school. I spent most of my waking hours at the university, especially weekends. I loved it, to be honest. There were times I really needed a break, but I loved the work and the study.

One Sunday, my head crammed full, I need a break from studying for two tests. I left my study carrel locked the door and walked to a nearby pond and just sat there. My brain was so overloaded I couldn't think. There was no one around. No distractions. I've gone over the scenario hundreds of times.

As I sat there not thinking about anything, nothing, no thoughts at all, I saw fish swimming near the edge of the pond, there were a few ducks swimming and cat tails blowing in a light breeze. Suddenly BAM! I knew that there was no separation between the pond, the fish, the breeze, the ducks, the cat tails or me. None. I was one with everything. It was not an understanding. The experience transcended understanding. It was knowing. There is no real way to convey the experience. Pure love, absolute peace, total joy don't come close to what happened.

It was perhaps another 10 or 12 years before I knew anything about Buddhism. There is a Japanese Buddhist term "kenshō" that describes the experience as a brief glimpse of enlightenment. Have I been able to return to kenshō since? No. But I have been there once and I cannot forget the experience. I know it exists.

HO!

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It's because atheists and non-Christians are poor judges of anything Christian, let alone the hearts of Christian believers.

I think that there is a good quote, amazingly in the New Testament, that covers the actions of the Christians I am speaking of. "By their fruits you will know them". Ponder that, and consider also the following quotes. Perhaps you can take this biblical advice.


Proverbs 15:1 A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Proverbs 11 A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.

Proverbs 17:27-28 Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.

Proverbs 19:20 Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future.
 
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As I read along here, you seem to have a great deal of trouble with the idea that others have had experiences that you have not, and I think that makes you angry: your avatar betrays you...

Here's a like question for you:

What does water taste like?

It depends on what else is in the water, now doesn't it. Water in and of itself is tasteless. Just like some people sense of humor. However, most water is not pure water. It has other elements in it. Cities often have too much chlorine.. Well water, that all depends on where you are. Some has iron, other has sulfer, or a tad bit of salt.

Water can be smelt, it can be felt, it can be measured. It can be shown to exist independent of people, or how people perceive it.

Can you show the same for your 'sense of God'?
 
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I think that there is a good quote, amazingly in the New Testament, that covers the actions of the Christians I am speaking of. "By their fruits you will know them". Ponder that, and consider also the following quotes. Perhaps you can take this biblical advice.


Proverbs 15:1 A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Proverbs 11 A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.

Proverbs 17:27-28 Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.

Proverbs 19:20 Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future.

Proof texts?
 
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One Sunday, my head crammed full, I need a break from studying for two tests. I left my study carrel locked the door and walked to a nearby pond and just sat there. My brain was so overloaded I couldn't think. There was no one around. No distractions. I've gone over the scenario hundreds of times.

As I sat there not thinking about anything, nothing, no thoughts at all, I saw fish swimming near the edge of the pond, there were a few ducks swimming and cat tails blowing in a light breeze. Suddenly BAM! I knew that there was no separation between the pond, the fish, the breeze, the ducks, the cat tails or me. None. I was one with everything. It was not an understanding. The experience transcended understanding. It was knowing. There is no real way to convey the experience. Pure love, absolute peace, total joy don't come close to what happened.

Risky, you've done as fine a job as anybody can to explain this transcending of understanding and the pure love, absolute peace, complete absence of fear, and total joy. I myself had an experience nearly 33 years ago now, and I know what you mean, this knowing beyond "knowing."
 
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Risky, you've done as fine a job as anybody can to explain this transcending of understanding and the pure love, absolute peace, complete absence of fear, and total joy. I myself had an experience nearly 33 years ago now, and I know what you mean, this knowing beyond "knowing."

Thank you, nota. And thank you for telling me about your experience.

For years I tried to describe or explain it and it finally dawned on me that it can't be fully explained. In fact, nothing had to be explained to me. There was no, "Aha! Now I get it". It was not a process of learning or coming to a conclusion. I didn't earn it, I didn't say any magic words. I certainly wasn't leading the pious life of a worthy person. All I can say is that my experience was complete. It didn't need interpretation. There was and is nothing to question.

Well there is one question, how do I get back to that? I don't believe there is one answer or one way.

Oh, and my experience happened about 31 years ago.
 
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I had a spiritual experience when I was about ten. It was summer and the entire family was really enjoying themselves except my eldest sister, who was one year older than me. She was really depressed a lot, likely because she didn't get along with our stepmother, and she'd spend all day in her room by herself. Me and this sister tended to be very competitive and fight a lot but one day I was bouncing my basketball past her room and all of a sudden I just felt bad for her so I decided to go in and hang out with her awhile and try and cheer her up. Anyway after hanging out for a little bit as I was leaving her room I all of a sudden just felt pure love for my sister, and like a split second later while I had these feelings, I felt the presence of Heavenly Father. Even though I had never had personal revelation from God, my spirit instantly recognized Him, and I said in my mind "Oh it is Heavenly Father". I felt His joy in what I had done and His approval, I then saw my sister through His eyes and I thought I saw her in the pre-mortal existence and she had the most beautiful white/blonde hair like she had when she was younger and she was so beautiful and noble, and I felt His love for her. Then He was gone. The entire spiritual experience may have lasted ten seconds or so, I don't know. I was like ten, and everything was so spontaneous and unexpected.
 
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Perhaps. Can you show me evidence you see what my point is?

The last time I tried to give you an answer about anything you threw it back in my face and made some kind of veiled insult about not being able to take me seriously. This has been a recurring theme with you and I, and apparently others, have little interest in trying to convince you of anything these days.
 
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The last time I tried to give you an answer about anything you threw it back in my face and made some kind of veiled insult about not being able to take me seriously. This has been a recurring theme with you and I, and apparently others, have little interest in trying to convince you of anything these days.

and you know whagt?? You keep on demonstrating why you can' be taken seriously. Over and over again. The lack of self awareness is astounding.
 
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and you know whagt?? You keep on demonstrating why you can' be taken seriously. Over and over again. The lack of self awareness is astounding.

There is nothing wrong with my self awareness. You have demonstrated to me over and over again that it is not worth putting any real effort in any reply to you because I know what I am going to hear, just the kind of jazz quoted above. This is your own doing, you have invited being blown off by me and apparently others, so don't blame me.

And with that I will return to the topic.
 
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I think that there is a good quote, amazingly in the New Testament, that covers the actions of the Christians I am speaking of. "By their fruits you will know them". Ponder that, and consider also the following quotes. Perhaps you can take this biblical advice.


Proverbs 15:1 A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.

Proverbs 11 A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.

Proverbs 17:27-28 Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding. Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.

Proverbs 19:20 Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future.




2 Cor 10

Paul’s Defense of His Ministry

10 By the humility and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am “timid” when face to face with you, but “bold” toward you when away!
2 I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world.
3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does.
4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 6 And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.




Eph 6

13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains.
Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.



We shouldn't be intimidated to be silent and be stifled to make the gospel known - just because we think it might offend non-believers.....or go against, political correctness.
 
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And exactly how do you know this experience was God, rather than an emotional experience your brain went through that you were merely interpreting is God?

Yes, we know that. Tat is not answering my question. My question is 'How do you know this is a god sense, and not merely an emotional reaction to a sensory event that you are attributing to sensing God.'

How do you know that is god, rather than a purely physical bio-electrical activity in your brain? How can you tell?

Your questions remind me of the serpent's crafty tactic in sowing the seeds of doubt and confusion in Eve.
It's poised as a seemingly rational, and innocent question. Casting doubt and confusion are powerful means to erode one's faith.


Genesis 3
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”



Of course, Satan is a reality to Christians. He can make use of anything, or anyone. Even Peter was unwittingly used by Satan.

Without God, we are powerless. Hence this advice must be taken seriously:




Eph 6
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.
11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities,
against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

 
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