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What's so great about being a Priest? [W:17]

Re: What's so great about being a Priest?

RGacky3 said:
Not really, given that gnosticism has nothing to do With the first Century Jesus movement in palestine.

But that being said, in New Testament women are called prophets, deacons and apostles in different places
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Where?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Most of the attributes of priesthood have been completely made up and have no basis in the bible.
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Really?
 
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From my understanding of Catholic theology, the reason there are no female priests and there is celibacy is something called "Sacred Tradition."

While Catholics believe in the bible, they don’t take it literally nor do they presume that it covers all areas of faith. Much of the Catholic faith emphasizes the New Testament, Jesus Christ and his stay on earth, and that he taught not only by words but by deeds. Such total emulation of both the words and deeds of JC is makes up what the bulk of what Sacred Tradition is all about. In a nutshell, Jesus was a male and the first priests (the apostles) were male, therefore priests are male. Jesus was celibate, therefore priests are celibate.

This is in contrast to and what sets Catholics apart from Protestants who “believe that the Bible alone is an adequate and complete basis for all Christian teaching" (a position known as “Sola Scriptura”) and that an individual Christians alone can interpret the Bible.”

While I am not Catholic, I am a deist and believe that in spiritual matters, everyone is free to believe what they want.
 
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it's just me said:
Where?
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Romans 16:7 Junia is counted among the apostles,

Acts 21:9 the daughters of philip prophesy

Romans 16:1 Phoebe is a deacon

For example.
 
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RGacky3 said:
Romans 16:7 Junia is counted among the apostles,

Acts 21:9 the daughters of philip prophesy

Romans 16:1 Phoebe is a deacon

For example.
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Not really, Junia is well known and respected by the Apostles, not one of them. As far as Phoebe goes, the word "servant" is translated into "deacon", there is no record of her ordination.
 
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it's just me said:
Not really, Junia is well known and respected by the Apostles, not one of them.
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Well, honestly it can be read both ways. it's "en tois apostolois" which can be "by the apostles" "among the apostles," so it's not really Clear.

That being said, the deacon, and prophetess ones' are Clear.
 
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RGacky3 said:
Well, honestly it can be read both ways. it's "en tois apostolois" which can be "by the apostles" "among the apostles," so it's not really Clear.

That being said, the deacon, and prophetess ones' are Clear.
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It's clear to me. The woman was not one of the seven known Deacons who were ordained by the early Church.
 
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it's just me said:
It's clear to me. The woman was not one of the seven known Deacons who were ordained by the early Church.
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Can you Reference me the scripture?

Romans 16:1 Calls Phoebe a "Diakonon tes en Ekklesias" A deacon of the Church ... I mean I don't know how else to take that.
 
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RGacky3 said:
Can you Reference me the scripture?

Romans 16:1 Calls Phoebe a "Diakonon tes en Ekklesias" A deacon of the Church ... I mean I don't know how else to take that.
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What translation is that?

Furthermore, where is the record of her ordination?
 
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it's just me said:
What translation is that?

Furthermore, where is the record of her ordination?
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It's not a translation, it's the greek .... THe record is that she is called by Paul a Deakon ... clearly.
 
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RGacky3 said:
It's not a translation, it's the greek .... THe record is that she is called by Paul a Deakon ... clearly.
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Sounds more like the Gospel according to Gacky.
 
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it's just me said:
Sounds more like the Gospel according to Gacky.
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All right dude ....

Nestle Alaand Greek text
Romans 16:1
Συνίστημι δὲ ὑμῖν Φοίβην τὴν ἀδελφὴν ἡμῶν, οὖσαν διάκονον τῆς ἐκκλησίας τῆς ἐν Κενχρεαῖς,

Look it up yourself.
 
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RGacky3 said:
All right dude ....

Nestle Alaand Greek text
Romans 16:1
Συνίστημι δὲ ὑμῖν Φοίβην τὴν ἀδελφὴν ἡμῶν, οὖσαν διάκονον τῆς ἐκκλησίας τῆς ἐν Κενχρεαῖς,

Look it up yourself.
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I already told you, "deacon" means "servant", not necessarily the same as the office of "Deacon" in the NT Church.
 
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it's just me said:
It's clear to me. The woman was not one of the seven known Deacons who were ordained by the early Church.
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Yet, in the letters of Pliny the younger , his claimed source for Christianity were two women slaves that were Deacons whom he tortured.
 
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The OP seems to essentially be arguing in favor of a "separate but equal" mindset. That's pretty messed up. Judaism in America is learning from its barbarous and misogynist history and treating women equally. Maybe someday the Catholics will catch up with their religious ancestors.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Yet, in the letters of Pliny the younger , his claimed source for Christianity were two women slaves that were Deacons whom he tortured.
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And one of their names was Phoebe, right?
 
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RAMOSS said:
That was not mentioned in the letters. A copy of the primary source of his letter to Trajen about it (and Trajen's respons) can be found at Primary Sources - Letters Of Pliny The Younger And The Emperor Trajan | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS.
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Well, I was trying to verify Gacky's claim. As to your claim, there is no evidence that the "Deaconesses" he speaks of were part of the ordained order, diakonos has no feminine form. When diakonos is referring to the Church office in the NT, it is rendered as "Deacon", not servant.
 
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To put this silliness to bed once and for all, the servants at the wedding feast where Jesus turned the water into wine were diakonos, too, and Paul uses diakonos in Romans 13:4 when he speaks of the government. I guess everybody was a Deacon of the Church back in those days.

This just proves the extent to which people will go on this site to avoid dealing with the issue at hand.
 
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it's just me said:
Well, I was trying to verify Gacky's claim. As to your claim, there is no evidence that the "Deaconesses" he speaks of were part of the ordained order, diakonos has no feminine form. When diakonos is referring to the Church office in the NT, it is rendered as "Deacon", not servant.
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The translation here says 'Deconesses'. Could you please show a source that backs up your claims?
 
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RAMOSS said:
The translation here says 'Deconesses'. Could you please show a source that backs up your claims?
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It was in English, did Pliny speak English?
 
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it's just me said:
It was in English, did Pliny speak English?
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Did you read where I said 'Translation'.?? I want you to show how that translation is bad. YOu made a start by referencing other passages, but that still is a claim that is not supported. Can you show a source that discusses those passages?? A claim is still a claim unless supported. Do you know what supporting a claim is?? Your claim might be totally correct, but it is still a claim that you have yet to support. Show a discussion on the passage, and show that the word actually used in greek can be translated strictly as servant, in context with the letter. Can you do that?
 
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RAMOSS said:
Did you read where I said 'Translation'.?? I want you to show how that translation is bad. YOu made a start by referencing other passages, but that still is a claim that is not supported. Can you show a source that discusses those passages?? A claim is still a claim unless supported. Do you know what supporting a claim is?? Your claim might be totally correct, but it is still a claim that you have yet to support. Show a discussion on the passage, and show that the word actually used in greek can be translated strictly as servant, in context with the letter. Can you do that?
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Okay, I want to know what the original word that was translated into "Deaconesses" was. If you want to know where I got those NT translations from, there are interlinears all over the internet, just go and see for yourself. Gacky claims to know this stuff, he should know, but since you are not a Christian, here is a site you can use:

Blue Letter Bible

Now, I know how important it is for you to be able to claim the RCC is sexist, but I think you should know that they took their cues for the offices of Holy Orders from the Jews. Now I have to get ready to leave.
 
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it's just me said:
Okay, I want to know what the original word that was translated into "Deaconesses" was. If you want to know where I got those NT translations from, there are interlinears all over the internet, just go and see for yourself. Gacky claims to know this stuff, he should know, but since you are not a Christian, here is a site you can use:

Blue Letter Bible



Now, I know how important it is for you to be able to claim the RCC is sexist, but I think you should know that they took their cues for the offices of Holy Orders from the Jews. Now I have to get ready to leave.
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So, you made a claim about the translation of Pliny, when you don't know what the original word used was. Ok. Fine. That means you can't support your claim about that specific translation.

Now, the letters of Pliny were not written in Greek, but rather it was written in Latin. The term that Pliny used was ministrae
 
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RAMOSS said:
So, you made a claim about the translation of Pliny, when you don't know what the original word used was. Ok. Fine. That means you can't support your claim about that specific translation.

Now, the letters of Pliny were not written in Greek, but rather it was written in Latin. The term that Pliny used was ministrae
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No, I made a claim about how diakonos is used in the Bible, which is that this miserable rabbit trail was originally about. YOU dragged in Pliny, as if to prove Gacky's assertion.

https://ancientstudy.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/ministrae-in-pliny-1096/

Waitresses.
 
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