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Do you believe Jesus??? [W:170]

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A single teaching from Jesus proves who is who.

Firstly--Jesus said to be no part of this world--that means one is obviously --different.
Jesus as well taught if one were his follower--the world would hate them.
As well he taught ones own family members would be their enemies( spiritually)

They proved hatred of Jesus truths back then, enough to fill their hearts with hatred and murder-Jesus, Apostles and the followers.

This one truth he taught proves who is who, and who Jesus is with

Blessed are the meek, for they( great multitude) will inherit the EARTH.

So if one is being taught heaven or hell as one end( 99% of religions claiming to follow Jesus )--- you are in the wrong place, they throw Jesus truth away. Its easy to see who teaches that truth--the ones who are different --thus hated.
 
Any time you take a stand for Jesus his words prove them self true. I'm sure you've experienced what it's like to bring his name up and to essentially be attacked, mocked, belittled on this very forum. But yes I believe he was exactly who he said he was.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Any time you take a stand for Jesus his words prove them self true. I'm sure you've experienced what it's like to bring his name up and to essentially be attacked, mocked, belittled on this very forum. But yes I believe he was exactly who he said he was.
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Only what He said He was? I don't recall Him ever saying that He was God.
 
kjw47 said:
A single teaching from Jesus proves who is who.

Firstly--Jesus said to be no part of this world--that means one is obviously --different.
Jesus as well taught if one were his follower--the world would hate them.
As well he taught ones own family members would be their enemies( spiritually)

They proved hatred of Jesus truths back then, enough to fill their hearts with hatred and murder-Jesus, Apostles and the followers.

This one truth he taught proves who is who, and who Jesus is with

Blessed are the meek, for they( great multitude) will inherit the EARTH.

So if one is being taught heaven or hell as one end( 99% of religions claiming to follow Jesus )--- you are in the wrong place, they throw Jesus truth away. Its easy to see who teaches that truth--the ones who are different --thus hated.
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Don't substitute your words for his. Paraphrase is inappropriate here. Demonstrate to us you know what was said contextually as well as literally.
 
rocket88 said:
Only what He said He was? I don't recall Him ever saying that He was God.
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Just off the top of my head. Before Abraham was I am, which by the way he said in the synagogue and shocked the Jews. And they knew exactly what that proclamation meant. Another example would be " my father and I are one". Plus someone that can lay their life down and take it back up in 3 days is a God like ability in my book.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Just off the top of my head. Before Abraham was I am, which by the way he said in the synagogue and shocked the Jews. And they knew exactly what that proclamation meant. Another example would be " my father and I are one". Plus someone that can lay their life down and take it back up in 3 days is a God like ability in my book.
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there are other passages that confirm the diety of Christ. however the OP is a JW (Jehovah witness) they do not believe that Christ is God. they believe that he is the archangel Michael who was promoted to Christ. none of this is biblical of course or found anywhere in scripture.

also no one hates the OP we just get tired of his distortions of the bible to say something other than what they say.

So if one is being taught heaven or hell as one end( 99% of religions claiming to follow Jesus )--- you are in the wrong place, they throw Jesus truth away. Its easy to see who teaches that truth--the ones who are different --thus hated.
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you still have yet to back up this 1% 99% thing that you continue to say.
yes there is a hell and all those that are not found in the lambs book of life will be cast into it.

distortions of scripture are not truths the last time I checked.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Just off the top of my head. Before Abraham was I am, which by the way he said in the synagogue and shocked the Jews. And they knew exactly what that proclamation meant. Another example would be " my father and I are one". Plus someone that can lay their life down and take it back up in 3 days is a God like ability in my book.
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I agree and believe in Jesus. All in all though, He said little about Himself.
 
clownboy said:
Don't substitute your words for his. Paraphrase is inappropriate here. Demonstrate to us you know what was said contextually as well as literally.
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Those who care about what he taught knows what he taught---after all--this was like a command when god said---This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased-- LISTEN TO HIM--
As well Jesus taught--proof of ones love for him was by listening( action) to him--listening entails--learning and applying every truth he taught--daily.
 
rocket88 said:
I agree and believe in Jesus. All in all though, He said little about Himself.
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To Gringo allstar, The real Hebrew where --I am is in place--is not correct--its more like-- I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be. And as well--the Pharisees asked Jesus if he lived before Abraham did--he answered them that is all-- certain teachers twist it into saying something he did not say.

I and the Father are one--in purpose--Jesus also said--The Father is greater than I--proving in purpose is correct.
 
kjw47 said:
A single teaching from Jesus proves who is who.

Firstly--Jesus said to be no part of this world--that means one is obviously --different.
Jesus as well taught if one were his follower--the world would hate them.
As well he taught ones own family members would be their enemies( spiritually)

They proved hatred of Jesus truths back then, enough to fill their hearts with hatred and murder-Jesus, Apostles and the followers.

This one truth he taught proves who is who, and who Jesus is with

Blessed are the meek, for they( great multitude) will inherit the EARTH.

So if one is being taught heaven or hell as one end( 99% of religions claiming to follow Jesus )--- you are in the wrong place, they throw Jesus truth away. Its easy to see who teaches that truth--the ones who are different --thus hated.
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Oh, don't be so quick to martyr yourself. I don't believe that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and I do believe that those who think so are heretics. I am so sick of your deluded, self-congratulatory haranguing of others in this forum.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Just off the top of my head. Before Abraham was I am, which by the way he said in the synagogue and shocked the Jews. And they knew exactly what that proclamation meant. Another example would be " my father and I are one". Plus someone that can lay their life down and take it back up in 3 days is a God like ability in my book.
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He also said he is one with the people who followed him. And, if you look at the "Before Abraham was I am' in context, there are at least 3 different interpretations that can be gotten from that statement. Assuming he is saying he is God is only one of them. The one that the non-tritarians often take is he is talking about priority, so in essence he is saying he was greater than Abraham, not that he came before Abraham in time. The third interpretation has to do with the philosophical concept of what 'LOGOS' meant to many Hellenized Jews at the time. If you read up on LOGOS from the philosophy of Philo of Alexandra, "LOGOS' was the 'wisdom of God' that is the intermediary between God and Man, and who is "SENT" by god to man. One reoccurring phrase in the GOJ is Jesus is the 'one sent', so it could quite easily be that the writer of the Gospel of John subscribed to the concept of Jesus being the "Wisdom of God made flesh" and is the one 'Sent by God'.

In the fourth century , according to one early Christian writer, the GOJ was written by Cerinthus, who was a Gnostic Christian, and another Cristian writer at the same time said the GOJ was written to refute Cerinthus. There is indications that the GOJ was modified at least a few times. It looks like the argument documented in the 4th century about the GOJ continues to this very day.
 
kjw47 said:
Those who care about what he taught knows what he taught---after all--this was like a command when god said---This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased-- LISTEN TO HIM--
As well Jesus taught--proof of ones love for him was by listening( action) to him--listening entails--learning and applying every truth he taught--daily.
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Once again, you're using YOUR words and YOUR presumptions and have yet to demonstrate you understand the meanings and context of the words of the Christ.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, don't be so quick to martyr yourself. I don't believe that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and I do believe that those who think so are heretics. I am so sick of your deluded, self-congratulatory haranguing of others in this forum.
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That means you have 0 for an answer to truth right. I don't Martyr myself--I teach Jesus truths--the world hates them.
There is 0 need for you to read or answer my posts.

1Thess 4:16---PROVE it isn't Jesus voice
Rev 6--the war in heaven--first ride of the white horse-- Michael took that ride--see--he receives his crown--only Jesus receives the crown--this is the Parousia( presence)--Gods kingdom took control of heaven forever at that point-- 1Cor 15:23( ;presence)- phillipians 2:12( presence) 2Peter 3:4( presence)-- it occurred when he received his crown.

2nd ride of the white horse= Harmageddon--Jesus is the rider. Many events take place between those two rides.

Who does Gods word say bruises satan in the head--Jesus-- it occurred at the war in heaven.
 
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clownboy said:
Once again, you're using YOUR words and YOUR presumptions and have yet to demonstrate you understand the meanings and context of the words of the Christ.
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I understand them very well--I have studied them for years and years--from all sorts of teachers.
 
kjw47 said:
That means you have 0 for an answer to truth right. I don't Martyr myself--I teach Jesus truths--the world hates them.
There is 0 need for you to read or answer my posts.

1Thess 4:16---PROVE it isn't Jesus voice
Rev 6--the war in heaven--first ride of the white horse-- Michael took that ride--see--he receives his crown--only Jesus receives the crown--this is the Parousia( presence)--Gods kingdom took control of heaven forever at that point-- 1Cor 15:23( ;presence)- phillipians 2:12( presence) 2Peter 3:4( presence)-- it occurred when he received his crown.

2nd ride of the white horse= Harmageddon--Jesus is the rider. Many events take place between those two rides.

Who does Gods word say bruises satan in the head--Jesus-- it occurred at the war in heaven.
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This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

First you are not teaching anything. you are just regurgitating what the watchtower tells you to.
Next you don't believe in Jesus you believe in Michael this has been established time and time again.

1Thess 4:16 has already been explained to you time and time again. the thing is you refuse to see or read anything that the watchtower tells you not to read.
This is where understanding context is important.

so lets examine.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

these are all separate events that occur.

1 The Lord himself (Christ) will come down from heaven, next there will be a loud command, and with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet call of God.

as in usual the procession of a Lord into an area there is a Shout then someone announces them and there is usually a trumpet.
the writer is defining the Procession that will accompany and announce Christ's arrival.

you have it 100% wrong.

Revelation 6 has been explained to you as well. the rider is not Christ.

I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

the first sentence tells us that the rider is not Christ. why? because Christ opened the seal.
Christ also has many many Crowns not 1.

It makes no sense for the creature to call Christ when 1. he is already there and 2 he is the one that does the calling.

now lets compare that to John description of Christ later.
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[d] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

the rider in verse 6 has nothing compared to Christ himself.
 
ludin said:
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin.

First you are not teaching anything. you are just regurgitating what the watchtower tells you to.
Next you don't believe in Jesus you believe in Michael this has been established time and time again.

1Thess 4:16 has already been explained to you time and time again. the thing is you refuse to see or read anything that the watchtower tells you not to read.
This is where understanding context is important.

so lets examine.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

these are all separate events that occur.

1 The Lord himself (Christ) will come down from heaven, next there will be a loud command, and with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet call of God.

as in usual the procession of a Lord into an area there is a Shout then someone announces them and there is usually a trumpet.
the writer is defining the Procession that will accompany and announce Christ's arrival.

you have it 100% wrong.

Revelation 6 has been explained to you as well. the rider is not Christ.

I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

the first sentence tells us that the rider is not Christ. why? because Christ opened the seal.
Christ also has many many Crowns not 1.

It makes no sense for the creature to call Christ when 1. he is already there and 2 he is the one that does the calling.

now lets compare that to John description of Christ later.
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in[d] blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

the rider in verse 6 has nothing compared to Christ himself.
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See the words==he receives his crown--proves you 100% wrong. Its because your teachers do not know who Jesus is. They do not know he is the only only one getting that crown--yes Michael took that ride--he is Jesus.
 
nota bene said:
Oh, don't be so quick to martyr yourself. I don't believe that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and I do believe that those who think so are heretics. I am so sick of your deluded, self-congratulatory haranguing of others in this forum.
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Consider the source - JW is an abomination.
 
kjw47 said:
See the words==he receives his crown--proves you 100% wrong. Its because your teachers do not know who Jesus is. They do not know he is the only only one getting that crown--yes Michael took that ride--he is Jesus.
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no I doesn't Christ already has MANY crowns not just one. you also ignored the fact that it was Christ that opened the seal to begin with read the first line in the verse.
I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals

the Lamb is Christ. he is the one opening the seals. so if he is the one opening the seals why would one of the living creatures call in when he is already there?
LOL my teachers know who Christ is more than yours. you think Michael is Jesus and after you have been proved 100% wrong you continue to spout this demonic lie.

How is it that Demons know who Christ is and JW's don't that is what I find funny.

The white horse isn't Michael either. It is another angelic being of some kind, But it isn't Christ (since he is the one that opened the seal) and it isn't an angel because John would have written that an archangel would have come forth.

yet another lie and distortion from JW's.

even when shown why they are wrong they refuse to see truth for the lies of the watchtower. it is right there in black and white for all to see.
I even compared the 1st horse to Johns description of Christ and they are not even close to the same. The 1st horse wields a bow Christ wields a sword.
In the second part John gives the 2nd white rider all the Titles of Christ he doesn't do this for the first horse.

the two horses are completely different. the 2nd one is Christ the first one is not. it is some other angelic creature that is summoned by Christ.

so evidently you don't believe Jesus.
 
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kjw47 said:
I understand them very well--I have studied them for years and years--from all sorts of teachers.
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teachers that have 0 theological training and lie and distort Gods word. I wouldn't call that kind of training a good thing.
 
SMTA said:
Consider the source - JW is an abomination.
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yet it is funny even when showed that they are wrong. they continue to spout the same non-sense over and over again as it if is going to be any more true the 2nd time.
 
ludin said:
yet it is funny even when showed that they are wrong. they continue to spout the same non-sense over and over again as it if is going to be any more true the 2nd time.
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Ayup - moronic regurgitation.
 
kjw47 said:
That means you have 0 for an answer to truth right. I don't Martyr myself--I teach Jesus truths--the world hates them.
There is 0 need for you to read or answer my posts.

1Thess 4:16---PROVE it isn't Jesus voice
Rev 6--the war in heaven--first ride of the white horse-- Michael took that ride--see--he receives his crown--only Jesus receives the crown--this is the Parousia( presence)--Gods kingdom took control of heaven forever at that point-- 1Cor 15:23( ;presence)- phillipians 2:12( presence) 2Peter 3:4( presence)-- it occurred when he received his crown.

2nd ride of the white horse= Harmageddon--Jesus is the rider. Many events take place between those two rides.

Who does Gods word say bruises satan in the head--Jesus-- it occurred at the war in heaven.
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Truths in your words, which is correct only for you.
 
kjw47 said:
I understand them very well--I have studied them for years and years--from all sorts of teachers.
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That's nice, but you haven't demonstrated that here, nor have you uttered word one of Christ's in support of your presumptions.
 
ludin said:
yet it is funny even when showed that they are wrong. they continue to spout the same non-sense over and over again as it if is going to be any more true the 2nd time.
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Hey, they believe if they say it enough folks will believe the repetition, probably how they came to believe it in the first place themselves.
 
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