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Everyone Goes to Heaven?

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This is my first time posting in the religious section so forgive me if I am a bit rusty. For the record this is a purely philosophical discussion and not a fundamental belief of mine. That being said, I know many people have different opinions so play fair!

I see a trend forming that is slowly edging out Hell and that everyone goes to Heaven. Regardless of what they've done in life. I see it at Funerals, in Magazines, and Obituaries. There is no listings of their sins or no arrest records hanging next to trophies and flowers. I see it all the time in those sweet stories about couples dying within minutes of each other. That they went to Heaven. Even the simple phrase Rest in Peace seems to suggest that the person is at peace in Heaven with no thought on how they've lived their life and/or if they actually should be in Hell. This thought was probably always there but it is open to interpretation.

Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?

In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
 
I believe that we all eventually end up in the same "place", but I don't envision it as heaven, in the way that is commonly understood today, and I don't consider it a place, as much as a state of mind and being. So yeah, some might call that heaven, but I also don't believe in hell, as is commonly understood. We're all heading toward the same destination, just along different paths, and at different rates of speed. I suspect I am taking the slow scenic route. ;)
 
ModerateGOP said:
This is my first time posting in the religious section so forgive me if I am a bit rusty. For the record this is a purely philosophical discussion and not a fundamental belief of mine. That being said, I know many people have different opinions so play fair!

I see a trend forming that is slowly edging out Hell and that everyone goes to Heaven. Regardless of what they've done in life. I see it at Funerals, in Magazines, and Obituaries. There is no listings of their sins or no arrest records hanging next to trophies and flowers. I see it all the time in those sweet stories about couples dying within minutes of each other. That they went to Heaven. Even the simple phrase Rest in Peace seems to suggest that the person is at peace in Heaven with no thought on how they've lived their life and/or if they actually should be in Hell. This thought was probably always there but it is open to interpretation.

Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?

In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
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This trend is certainly real. And unfortunate, as it encourages the living to be morally lax, as well as to neglect praying for the dead in purgatory.

The phrase "Rest in peace " is a Catholic prayer for the dead in purgatory. That they may enter into Heaven.

At the all soul's day homily this year, our bishop gave a homily criticizing this tendency. He mentioned a priest he knew back in Oklahoma who would start out his funeral homilies with "today we come together to to pray for the soul of (insert name here), who, God willing, has made it safely to purgatory. That is a much better attitude, as if a person already is in Heaven, they will be done no harm by people thinking they're in purgatory, whereas the converse is obviously not true.

And assuming Hell to be out of the question just encourages laxity among the living, and is thus a sort of self-refuting prophecy.
 
Look up the doctrine of universalism, apocatastasis, or universal reconciliation. This belief has existed since the formation of Christianity.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?
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I guess the phrase "speak no ill of the dead" is the way we mostly operate.
Mentioning bad stuff about the deceased would be pointless.
The dead will receive their just reward, no matter what the living say about them.


In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
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Not true!!
I can think of numerous dictators who belong in Hell.....as well as some of my exes.
 
ModerateGOP said:
This is my first time posting in the religious section so forgive me if I am a bit rusty. For the record this is a purely philosophical discussion and not a fundamental belief of mine. That being said, I know many people have different opinions so play fair!

I see a trend forming that is slowly edging out Hell and that everyone goes to Heaven. Regardless of what they've done in life. I see it at Funerals, in Magazines, and Obituaries. There is no listings of their sins or no arrest records hanging next to trophies and flowers. I see it all the time in those sweet stories about couples dying within minutes of each other. That they went to Heaven. Even the simple phrase Rest in Peace seems to suggest that the person is at peace in Heaven with no thought on how they've lived their life and/or if they actually should be in Hell. This thought was probably always there but it is open to interpretation.

Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?

In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
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when it comes to an after life eternal punishment seems to be going to far for any 1

when it comes to remembering people I don't think society forgets major things so much as few people fell like bringing up the negative when it comes to the dead
 
ModerateGOP said:
This is my first time posting in the religious section so forgive me if I am a bit rusty. For the record this is a purely philosophical discussion and not a fundamental belief of mine. That being said, I know many people have different opinions so play fair!

I see a trend forming that is slowly edging out Hell and that everyone goes to Heaven. Regardless of what they've done in life. I see it at Funerals, in Magazines, and Obituaries. There is no listings of their sins or no arrest records hanging next to trophies and flowers. I see it all the time in those sweet stories about couples dying within minutes of each other. That they went to Heaven. Even the simple phrase Rest in Peace seems to suggest that the person is at peace in Heaven with no thought on how they've lived their life and/or if they actually should be in Hell. This thought was probably always there but it is open to interpretation.

Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?

In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
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The reality is that nobody really knows except for God and the deceased. You have to remember that funerals are for the survivors, although we do offer some prayers for the deceased as well. While every one may have sins we don't know about, everyone has virtues we may not know about.
 
it's just me said:
The reality is that nobody really knows except for God and the deceased. You have to remember that funerals are for the survivors, although we do offer some prayers for the deceased as well. While every one may have sins we don't know about, everyone has virtues we may not know about.
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This is good understanding, but the question he was asking was if everybody goes to heaven, yes?

First of all, your soul is made of energy. energy, if the understanding supported by the leaders and doctors i to be observed, is a 'chunk' of mass moving as kinetic energy, or, inanimate mass as potential energy. this means, when our souls exit our bodies, we will be moving mass - this is impossible some might say, as, a soul has no mass, does it? well, all energy is made out of, at the most basic particles, electrons. these are the particles that communicate with other particles by bonding with them, yes?

Now, if the electrons are making up your soul, they are polarized to a certain planet, due to electromagnetic pull, and they end up there eventually. this planet will affect our 'dream' and we will feel energy from this planet in the form of emotions, just like those faeries we see that either come to us or don't. if you have enough energy - or are developed enough? - you may break free of that planet or moon, and alter your course in the universe. think of this like a chat room with real doors. :lamo
 
Methusala said:
This is good understanding, but the question he was asking was if everybody goes to heaven, yes?
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No. His question was:
Moderate GOP said:
Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
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I don't believe we need to do that. The point of a funeral is to bring together the deceased's loved ones and assist them through the grieving process. People typically want to remember the things they loved about the person they have lost. Ultimately, like "It's Just Me" said, no one knows whether the deceased is in heaven or not. Would it be helpful to anyone if we attempted to judge the deceased and insinuate or outright say that he/she must be in hell? I doubt it.

As far as I know, this is how we have always done funerals, so if there is a trend towards universalism, I don't think the way we do funerals is a factor in moving people in that direction.
 
ModerateGOP said:
This is my first time posting in the religious section so forgive me if I am a bit rusty. For the record this is a purely philosophical discussion and not a fundamental belief of mine. That being said, I know many people have different opinions so play fair!

I see a trend forming that is slowly edging out Hell and that everyone goes to Heaven. Regardless of what they've done in life. I see it at Funerals, in Magazines, and Obituaries. There is no listings of their sins or no arrest records hanging next to trophies and flowers. I see it all the time in those sweet stories about couples dying within minutes of each other. That they went to Heaven. Even the simple phrase Rest in Peace seems to suggest that the person is at peace in Heaven with no thought on how they've lived their life and/or if they actually should be in Hell. This thought was probably always there but it is open to interpretation.

Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?

In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
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This is a trending fashion in some places and it is nothing short of demonic teaching.
there are some sect's that believe there is no hell, but the bible absolutely refutes this.

Not everyone will get into heaven.
As Christ said broad is the gate that leads to destruction and narrow is the way that leads to eternal life and there are few that find it.
the book of revelation is absolutely reflects that people that are not written in the lambs book of life will be sent to the lake of fire with satan and his followers.
anyone that says otherwise is not only lying to themselves to but others.
 
ModerateGOP said:
This is my first time posting in the religious section so forgive me if I am a bit rusty. For the record this is a purely philosophical discussion and not a fundamental belief of mine. That being said, I know many people have different opinions so play fair!

I see a trend forming that is slowly edging out Hell and that everyone goes to Heaven. Regardless of what they've done in life. I see it at Funerals, in Magazines, and Obituaries. There is no listings of their sins or no arrest records hanging next to trophies and flowers. I see it all the time in those sweet stories about couples dying within minutes of each other. That they went to Heaven. Even the simple phrase Rest in Peace seems to suggest that the person is at peace in Heaven with no thought on how they've lived their life and/or if they actually should be in Hell. This thought was probably always there but it is open to interpretation.

Should we as a society do a better job analyzing people after death?
Does our feel-good attitude blind-side us?
By only remembering the good things the person does is that truly healthy or should we be more well-rounded?

In fact, I think the only person in history that everyone agrees should go to Hell (if one exists) is Hitler.
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I think it's more like nobody wants to say ill things about the dead, thus only the good things about them are spoken about.

According to the Scriptures, not everyone will go to heaven. And yes, there is also such a place called Hell.
However, we don't know if hell as described in the Bible, should be taken literally.

The nuance that everyone will go to Heaven could probably have been influenced by the all-inclusive mentality that's prevalent this days. I guess some feel the need to be politically correct even in the after life. :)

It's not for us, though to judge who should go to hell or not.
 
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Methusala said:
This is good understanding, but the question he was asking was if everybody goes to heaven, yes?
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How would I know that?

First of all, your soul is made of energy. energy, if the understanding supported by the leaders and doctors i to be observed, is a 'chunk' of mass moving as kinetic energy, or, inanimate mass as potential energy. this means, when our souls exit our bodies, we will be moving mass - this is impossible some might say, as, a soul has no mass, does it? well, all energy is made out of, at the most basic particles, electrons. these are the particles that communicate with other particles by bonding with them, yes?

Now, if the electrons are making up your soul, they are polarized to a certain planet, due to electromagnetic pull, and they end up there eventually. this planet will affect our 'dream' and we will feel energy from this planet in the form of emotions, just like those faeries we see that either come to us or don't. if you have enough energy - or are developed enough? - you may break free of that planet or moon, and alter your course in the universe. think of this like a chat room with real doors. :lamo
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I wouldn't know anything about that, either.
 
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