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What a great message to Christians (all religions really)

AGENT J

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As a chrisitian myself my religion is FOR ME, my relationship with my religion and with GOD is MINE.
Its not yours, its not to be forced on you nor are you to force me how to have it.
What you do with your religion or lack of one is YOUR business, not mine and vice-versa.
Im not to make the laws reflect only my beliefs nor are you to make laws to stop my relationship with my god. etc etc



To each thier own but i think this is a great message


LOVE
 
wow..... how quietly loud ... and impressive

:peace


Thom Paine
 
It seems like the young lady grew up in one respect and still has a lot of growing up in another.

She's a self proclaimed Christian but only quotes a Hindi. Hmm, that's interesting.

Of course, allowing people to live their religion or lack there of without interference from others is to also allow for those people who are called to preach it, to preach it uninhibited, Riiiiiiiight?

Telling someone that something is a sin is not judging, it's categorizing.

Reproaching someone for bad behavior is love too, lest all the little children would have gone astray not knowing right from wrong.

Revelations 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.
 
AGENT J said:
As a chrisitian myself my religion is FOR ME, my relationship with my religion and with GOD is MINE.
Its not yours, its not to be forced on you nor are you to force me how to have it.
What you do with your religion or lack of one is YOUR business, not mine and vice-versa.
Im not to make the laws reflect only my beliefs nor are you to make laws to stop my relationship with my god. etc etc
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Just shot yourself in the foot. What people do with their faith is none of your business by your own admission and that would include trying to make laws in accordance with their faith. The Bible teaches that all governments exist because of God's will, so if an oligarchy exists be it Muslim, Christian, or another it is because God willed it, not you.
 
Declan said:
Just shot yourself in the foot. What people do with their faith is none of your business by your own admission and that would include trying to make laws in accordance with their faith. The Bible teaches that all governments exist because of God's will, so if an oligarchy exists be it Muslim, Christian, or another it is because God willed it, not you.
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nope both my feet are good thank you sir lol. You are free to believe that but you dont understand the message then, nor did I claim i willed anything. love
 
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Thom Paine said:
wow..... how quietly loud ... and impressive

:peace


Thom Paine
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I think she nailed it because sadly to many times people use there religion as a tool to push others down, judges other, prop themselves up, control others and to try and force others to do as they feel whether it reflects thier religion or not. Like i said my religion is for me and it helps ME and improves ME. My relationship with god is between us and only he can judge me. My church and most churches around that match my faith here are big on this and i think its VERY important.

again to each thier own they can go on doing whatever they feel is right or needed but ill continue on MY path and i know ill be just fine, no human/earthly words/opinions can impact that
 
AGENT J said:


To each thier own but i think this is a great message
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@ 02:54 Stop the Judgement

@ 03:24 If you don't have love, you're nothing.​

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Did you make this connection J?

@ 03:20 or how many people "think" you're "ALL THAT"
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Excon said:
@ 02:54 Stop the Judgement
Did you make this connection J?

@ 03:20 or how many people "think" you're "ALL THAT"
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im not the topic and my quote is from a movie (anchorman) its not about me so there is ZERO connection
as usual your assumption is complete wrong and your post is inaacurate
glad i could help you with your mistake and thats not a judgment just some facts. You're welcome.


simply google rob burgundy, im kind of a big deal, i bet its more than 150k results
then look for the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KSFlkSU5rE​
 
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I am an atheist and I liked that video. Of course here on a debate forum it isn't out of line to debate religion or the lack thereof, but out in the real world I think we would all do well with a little less judging and preaching and instead live by example.
 
BrewerBob said:
I am an atheist and I liked that video. Of course here on a debate forum it isn't out of line to debate religion or the lack thereof, but out in the real world I think we would all do well with a little less judging and preaching and instead live by example.
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agreed
 
AGENT J said:
my religion is for me and it helps ME and improves ME.
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How? If nobody is holding you to a higher standard you will never improve.

AGENT J said:
to each thier own they can go on doing whatever they feel is right or needed
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This is very lazy and incorrect theology. We are commanded to go throughout the world and make disciples. You can't do that by promoting hedonism. :failpail:

I know it's easier to hide your faith and hold up lovey dovey note cards but we are not called to love. We are called to teach. You can't teach if you are hiding by cute note cards painted with pretty pink hearts. Christ never mandated us to be slothful, lazy, apathetic and ineffective. I read a different Bible than the one that you read.
 
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im not the topic
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Never said you were J. I asked if you made the connection?

"AGENT J" said:
and my quote is from a movie (anchorman) its not about me so there is ZERO connection
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Sure J! :doh
Quotes have quotations or are attributed, you have neither, just excuses.


"AGENT J" said:
as usual your assumption is complete wrong and your post is inaacurate
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No J. Your excuses are obvious.


"AGENT J" said:
glad i could help you with your mistake and thats not a judgment just some facts. You're welcome.
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:naughty No J! You are welcome.
I was happy to point out what you failed to get.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
1.)How? If nobody is holding you to a higher standard you will never improve.
2.)This is very lazy and incorrect theology. We are commanded to go throughout the world and make disciples. You can't do that by promoting hedonism. :failpail:
3.)I know it's easier to hide your faith and hold up lovey dovey note cards but we are not called to love.
4.) We are called to teach. You can't teach if you are hiding by cute note cards painted with pretty pink hearts.
5.) Christ never mandated us to be slothful, lazy, apathetic and ineffective.
6.) I read a different Bible than the one that you read.
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1.) easy, me a god hold me to a higher standard, not others, they dont matter one bit unless i want them too.
2.) good thing i didnt "promote" what you claim, sorry there was ZERO fail besides the strawman you presented
3.) weird who is hiding it, me and the girl in the video just advertised it, that makes no sense and is the second failed strawman.
4.) you are free to have that opinion, its meaningless to the OP and my faith
5.) good thing me nor the OP claimed that. ANother failed strawman, the third one, and it to is meaningless to point.
6.) again you are free to think that :shrug: that opinion is meaningless to me though and the OP and its all perfect examples of what the OP was talking about though.
Thanks for your post and good luck!
 
AGENT J said:
As a chrisitian myself my religion is FOR ME, my relationship with my religion and with GOD is MINE.
Its not yours, its not to be forced on you nor are you to force me how to have it.
What you do with your religion or lack of one is YOUR business, not mine and vice-versa.
Im not to make the laws reflect only my beliefs nor are you to make laws to stop my relationship with my god. etc etc



To each thier own but i think this is a great message


LOVE
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:2sick1:
:surrender Typical American. "I don't want to be a Christian anymore because it's so hard to do. Gandhi won't like me anymore. My friends won't like me anymore." If Christianity doesn't work then throw it away. Don't redefine it. This lady was making a proclamation that Christianity sucks and that she was abandoning the faith because "I can't." She couldn't do it anymore but she still wants to maintain the social benefits of the name Christian. I had a deep religious upbringing and I know Christianity is a direct conflict of 21st Century American culture.

There is nothing wrong with abandoning the faith but don't mischaracterize Christianity as hedonistic mindlessness. Christianity is a very elaborate philosophical and religious system. It requires effort and yes, sometimes people won't like you because your 'mean'. Get over it or give it up. Don't vandalize Christianity with this New Age mumbo jumbo lovey dovey horse manure.

Christianity has standards.
 
AGENT J said:
6.) again you are free to think that :shrug: that opinion is meaningless to me though and the OP and its all perfect examples of what the OP was talking about though.
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You are really good at this. :) I am curious though. Which version of the Bible did you read? Very few people read the entire Bible. I'd be curious to know.
 
Milquetoast Christianity

Milquetoast Christianity says Jesus was a good teacher and a moral man. Biblical Christianity says he is the Divine King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and the Savior of mankind.

Milquetoast Christianity says we are to be friends with this world. Jesus says, “If the world hates you, remember that it hated Me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.”

Milquetoast Christianity says to be content and comfortable with whom and where you are in your spiritual life. Biblical Christianity says that we are called to a higher purpose, and God’s will is not to let you remain as you are, but to become conformed to the image of Jesus Christ and do God’s will.

Milquetoast Christianity says there are many paths to God, and we are all God’s children. Biblical Christianity says Jesus is the only way of salvation, and that no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6).

Milquetoast Christianity teaches salvation without self-denial; the crown without the cross, and has compromised the word of God in order to make friends with the world. Biblical Christianity says that it is a bad sign for the Christianity of this day when it provokes so little opposition from the world. When the Church and the world can jog along together side by side comfortably, you may be sure there is something wrong.

Milquetoast Christianity is a lukewarm, feel-good, worldly philosophy. Jesus teaches that if you are lukewarm about the things of God, he will spit you out of his mouth (Revelation 3:16).

Milquetoast Christianity says, “Just confess Jesus and you’re in.” Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father.” Milquetoast Christianity says, “Just say this simple prayer and you’re in.” Jesus says, “If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.”

Milquetoast Christianity subverts godly marriage and defends shacking up and gay marriage by arguing these are “consenting adults” in love. Adulterers are “consenting adults.” God says that love does not rejoice in iniquity.

Milquetoast Christianity says proselytizing is offensive. Jesus says to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Milquetoast Christianity says the Holy Spirit is some kind of Star Wars force. The Word of God says the Holy Spirit is Divine (Acts 5), the 3rd Person of the Godhead, and that HE convicts people of their sins and leads people to Christ for salvation.

Milquetoast Christianity says miracles no longer occur (if they did at all). Jesus says, “Arise and walk; I am the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.”

Milquetoast Christianity has replaced Father God with Mother Earth, and God’s Word with the doctrines and teachings of unregenerate men.

Repentance is seldom taught in milquetoast Churches. Jesus says “unless you repent, you too will all perish” (Luke 13:3).

Milquetoast Christianity teaches a watered-down gospel that sends people to hell. Biblical Christianity teaches a no-nonsense, born-again faith in Jesus Christ that brings eternal life.

Milquetoast Christianity mocks Biblical “fundamentalists” as some kind of extremists. Jesus was a zealot for the things of God and so were his disciples. And what is a “zealot,” except perhaps someone who believes in God more than their accuser.

Milquetoast Christianity gathers a great number of teachers together to say what their itching ears want to hear. Biblical Christianity preaches the truth of God’s Word, and His alone.

Milquetoast Christianity « The Righter Report
 
vasuderatorrent said:
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:surrender Typical American. "I don't want to be a Christian anymore because it's so hard to do. Gandhi won't like me anymore. My friends won't like me anymore." If Christianity doesn't work then throw it away. Don't redefine it. This lady was making a proclamation that Christianity sucks and that she was abandoning the faith because "I can't." She couldn't do it anymore but she still wants to maintain the social benefits of the name Christian. I had a deep religious upbringing and I know Christianity is a direct conflict of 21st Century American culture.

There is nothing wrong with abandoning the faith but don't mischaracterize Christianity as hedonistic mindlessness. Christianity is a very elaborate philosophical and religious system. It requires effort and yes, sometimes people won't like you because your 'mean'. Get over it or give it up. Don't vandalize Christianity with this New Age mumbo jumbo lovey dovey horse manure.

Christianity has standards.
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She was never really "born again" or she would have known the Holy Spirit, and understood that's how it works - with his help.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
1.)You are really good at this. :)
2.) I am curious though. Which version of the Bible did you read? Very few people read the entire Bible. I'd be curious to know.
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1.) good at what? seeing strawmen? i guess but i dont see that as a talent.
2.) well again if you follow the OP it doesnt matter nor is it your business but i will share this bit of truth with you. I have read about 2.75 bibles cover to cover.
In many ways i found it boring and in many ways i found it uplifting and inspiring.

The first one that i dont THINK i finished but i may have I admit i dont know what it was, version wise it was some where between 17-20 and i may have read it all. I call it .75 because im not sure.

the second one was when my gram passed, it was hers and i read it because it was hers and she was gone it was a KJV. The second one was my dads and i read it after he passed. It was blue which i found interesting and it claimed to be a ASV/NKJV sort of mixture with some AME sprinkled in there.

But like i said none of that matters, as it doesn't change anything about the OP and my thoughts of it being a good message and your post was still a perfect example for the message of the OP. THank you. I wont be discussing anymore personal matters as im only interested in the op and its topic. thanks again
 
AGENT J said:
I think she nailed it because sadly to many times people use there religion as a tool to push others down, judges other, prop themselves up, control others and to try and force others to do as they feel whether it reflects thier religion or not. Like i said my religion is for me and it helps ME and improves ME. My relationship with god is between us and only he can judge me. My church and most churches around that match my faith here are big on this and i think its VERY important.

again to each thier own they can go on doing whatever they feel is right or needed but ill continue on MY path and i know ill be just fine, no human/earthly words/opinions can impact that
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Yes, I think she nailed it well. Would it not be a happier world if all did the same ?

Peace to you AJ

Thom Paine
 
Thom Paine said:
Yes, I think she nailed it well. Would it not be a happier world if all did the same ?

Peace to you AJ

Thom Paine
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I think so
and admittedly im am guilty myself of judging of course but what i dont do is use my religion for that tool nor do i want my religion used as the say all for others.

I can proudly say that theres not personal views of mine solely based on religion that i want forced on others . . . . many people cant say that and its said . .. they quickly forget peoples rights and freedoms . . .

peace to you to sir
 
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An aside:

I find it sad to observe contentious confrontation toward the OP in a sub-forum that could be overflowing with reasonable discussion/argument of generally meritorious ideals.

just sad

I'm outa' here

:peace

Thom Paine
 
vasuderatorrent said:
How? If nobody is holding you to a higher standard you will never improve.

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On the contrary... the only person who can hold you to a high standard for you to improve is yourself
 
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