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Why a hidden God?

God doesn't see everything in the future--just what his will will accomplish--- teachers of darkness teach God sees it all in the future.
So, let's suppose that "his will" was the "creation of the universe." If you make everything, and you know everything, and you make everything the way you want it because you're all powerful, then you're going to know the outcome of the events. If you're continuing to interfere with things afterwards, it's because you're not all powerful, all knowing, or omnipresent.
 
So, let's suppose that "his will" was the "creation of the universe." If you make everything, and you know everything, and you make everything the way you want it because you're all powerful, then you're going to know the outcome of the events. If you're continuing to interfere with things afterwards, it's because you're not all powerful, all knowing, or omnipresent.

Don't listen to a Jehovah's. Witness. God exists outside of time. He knows everything because to Him its already happened and all events will bring about His will.
 
Luke 16:19 “There was a rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate lay a poor man named Laz′arus, full of sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Laz′arus in his bosom. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Laz′arus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Laz′arus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.’”

There is enough evidence. What you should ask yourself why the whole of creation and your very life aren't enough evidence?

CCC 35: Man's faculties make him capable of coming to a knowledge of the existence of a personal God. But for man to be able to enter into real intimacy with him, God willed both to reveal himself to man and to give him the grace of being able to welcome this revelation in faith. The proofs of God's existence, however, can predispose one to faith and help one to see that faith is not opposed to reason.
 
Ban that bitch
 
So get your ducks in a row before steppin to me. Yeah that what im sayin.
 
Jesus is cool the way I see it, but the Christian religion is absolute crap. Built on lies and steered towards paganism, you're a clown for playin' the game. Jesus was the messiah but was more down with the Jewish religion than the watered-down, outright plagiaristic book: the Bible. Everthing in the Bible is simply something canonized. But who to trust? Yeah, who to trust(?)

To keep this simple: if Jesus said to follow Jewish law and not change a word of it, and he did say that, then why the hell was a new religion created?

Don't bother to answer since all of you are idiots. Especially Bena Nota. Such a relentless stalker that one is.
 
And **** off Dp for suspending me, and Cable, toscal and logicman...get help! Your heads are polluted with lies.
 
Don't listen to a Jehovah's. Witness. God exists outside of time. He knows everything because to Him its already happened and all events will bring about His will.
I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, and I've never heard that they are determinists. I've only heard that of Calvinists among mainstream Christian denominations.

Time doesn't affect deteminism. Living in a causal universe does.

Theological determinism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
REal quick before the Nazis come:

Jesus is the Truth and truth for a truth means lies over lies. The electricity to life is, as everthing is in three: positivve, negative, and neutral.

Yes, the Trinity is real so don't believe the hype eve though you'll always believe what you're told, but I can tell a different story if given an open ear. Just look at the planet, look and you'll see -- it too takes three -- it too takes three. With an inner core to support the outer core to make the mantel to make the crust to which sustains all life, yeah this is jusst one of every example.

Freemasons are sadistic in nature and if you're a Freemason faggot who thinks otherwise, then you know nothing. So **** off faggots because i got his number on speed dial and he's laughing at you bitches. Official debate extended to anyone on anything...I dare you.
 
Id edit but new phone an complete lack of respect towards all means....

Do it yourself
 
If i forgot to call you all idiots, then consider this an apology. And Gina, go play with a dildo for **** sake. And Bena, id stomp you on my worst day, but dont take my word for it...ask for proof and so shall you receive. Same goes for all.
 
Freemasons are faggots
 
Two useless thumb drives stolen from my apartment and you think I give a duck about your rules? Go duck yourself
 
If God made everyone flawless with all knowledge like Himself, they would all be the exact same person. Maybe it's a method to create unique individuals by offering a variety of choices, experiences and learning from mistakes? And I'm sure if He's intimately involved in our existence, He feels everyone's displeasure.

Excuse me? Isn't God the totality of options, having the knowledge of both good and evil?

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. " Isaiah 45:7
 
Air is discernible though. It is difficult to compare that which is physical with that which is spiritual or emotional.
I think it is discernible to the senses, unless you close off all sensory perception. It is in all things. In all things I see it, hear it, smell it, taste it, feel it.

But they do not want to believe in spirit beings for whatever reason. You would think such a concept would be one of hope and comfort to them but their hearts/minds are closed off. They are stiff necked and rigid in their belief and won't see anything larger than themselves. Just as the Bible described.

The ancients attributed all that has ever been, is, or will ever be as coming from God which is why theologians believe so many Bible passages are written as they are. But if you read the Bible through their eyes instead of with 21st century eyes, you will see that all that is bad is either an allegorical teaching story or the consequence of sin. God created the system and set it up so that humankind himself determined his own destiny. Spoil God's perfect creation and
there will be bad consequence even unto the fourth and fifth generations. Seek God, his countenance, and his counsel, and there will be a difference consequence.

Those who have experienced God know for a certainty that God exists just as those who have experienced love or grief or anger, also things that cannot be seen or measured, exist. Those who are seeking will find God. And those who scoff and try to destroy the faith of others do and will, I believe, experience their own consequences for that.
People go through different phases as they develop. Sometimes having a too-charmed life inhibits a persons growth and development. Those who are never challenged never develop certain skills. Ironically, they do not believe in god because they have a too-blessed life.
 
you rely thick he doesn't no good things happen?and because of a media conspiracy no less?
Hope so.

The world has everything in it. Anything you ask for, you will get.
 
Not only permitting them to suffer but creating the most horrific diseases you could imagine to make sure of the worst suffering possible. A loving god my ass.

You have God confused with the Devil.

And if anyone winds up in Hell it will be their own fault for being stiff-necked Christ deniers.
 
Hope so.

The world has everything in it. Anything you ask for, you will get.

um you hope some one doesn't know that good things happen? no doesn't sound like you I cant spell for **** so maybe you just did not get my post my apology's
 
STEP 1: Command everyone to believe in you or forfeit everlasting life.

STEP 2: Give people highly developed frontal cortex; imbue the ability to reason and the desire for evidence. Then make your last public appearance in the Levant, during the bronze age (when most people were illiterate); never go to Asia (where they could read), nor Australia, nor sub-Saharan Africa.
 
I think it is discernible to the senses, unless you close off all sensory perception. It is in all things. In all things I see it, hear it, smell it, taste it, feel it.


People go through different phases as they develop. Sometimes having a too-charmed life inhibits a persons growth and development. Those who are never challenged never develop certain skills. Ironically, they do not believe in god because they have a too-blessed life.

Which is what Jesus meant I think when it said that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. I don't think he was referring to those with riches of money alone. Those who are most blessed are more likely to not know that they need God.
 
You have God confused with the Devil.

And if anyone winds up in Hell it will be their own fault for being stiff-necked Christ deniers.

Isn't your Christian God supposed to be the creator? If so he created everything, the good and the bad.
 
So, let's suppose that "his will" was the "creation of the universe." If you make everything, and you know everything, and you make everything the way you want it because you're all powerful, then you're going to know the outcome of the events. If you're continuing to interfere with things afterwards, it's because you're not all powerful, all knowing, or omnipresent.



Anyone who tells you that God knows all in the future---doesn't know God. No one knows the future, except for what he will make happen according to his will. Deuteronomy 30:19----- God set before all---life or death---he does not know who will choose what path. He desires all to repent, if he knew in advance the outcome--this would just be a sick joke on all. But God does not know.
He sent prophets to his chosen ones to repent or else many times--why would he bother if he already knew the outcome?
 
um you hope some one doesn't know that good things happen? no doesn't sound like you I cant spell for **** so maybe you just did not get my post my apology's

lol oar i did get it for reel, being an old fishernan
 
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