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I have decided that I will no longer sign marriage licenses [W:174]

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My fear – and I don’t think it unreasonable in light of some court decisions in recent litigation – is that I could potentially be opening myself up to action if I refused to perform that duty for same-sex couples. Because of that, I’ll require couples in Charleston County and any other jurisdictions that have granted same-sex marriage licenses to provide me a copy of a license signed by a judge, notary public, or some other civil official before I’ll officiate at the religious service.

This was written by an Anglican Priest and posted on Oct. 10 here:

Why I Will No Longer Sign Charleston County Marriage Licenses

The Priest, having anticipated whatever problems he is likely to have in light of the recent SCOTUS decisions, has declined to sign same sex marriage licenses, and is refusing to perform the ceremony. Personally, I think refusing to perform weddings at all is the way to fly here.

Taking this position to it's logical conclusion, bakers, caterers, and photographers have this same problem and the same option: there will be no more wedding cakes for anybody, no more wedding pictures, no more Anglican weddings and no more wedding receptions. Photographers will just have to stick to school pictures and portraits, bakers will have to just offer dessert cakes, and Priests will just have to decline to do weddings unless they are finalized by a public official.

I don't think it will end here. I suspect that, although there are plenty of churches that will solemnize a gay "marriage", it is my opinion that troublemakers like the ones who caused a farm in New York to have to pay heavy fines for refusing to host their gay wedding ceremony will seek us out and try to force our hand. This Priest has come up with a creative way to head that off at the pass. We are not public officials and not representatives of the state.
 
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I didn't know you needed a government issued license to buy a cake, book a caterer for a party, or hire a photographer. You do need one to get married, though. Not the same thing at all.
 
Bakers cannot be compelled to make cakes, Priests cannot be compelled to preside over weddings.
 
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it's just me said:
My fear – and I don’t think it unreasonable in light of some court decisions in recent litigation – is that I could potentially be opening myself up to action if I refused to perform that duty for same-sex couples. Because of that, I’ll require couples in Charleston County and any other jurisdictions that have granted same-sex marriage licenses to provide me a copy of a license signed by a judge, notary public, or some other civil official before I’ll officiate at the religious service.

This was written by an Anglican Priest and posted on Oct. 10 here:

Why I Will No Longer Sign Charleston County Marriage Licenses

The Priest, having anticipated whatever problems he is likely to have in light of the recent SCOTUS decisions, has declined to sign same sex marriage licenses, and is refusing to perform the ceremony. Personally, I think refusing to perform weddings at all is the way to fly here.

Taking this position to it's logical conclusion, bakers, caterers, and photographers have this same problem and the same option: there will be no more wedding cakes for anybody, no more wedding pictures, no more Anglican weddings and no more wedding receptions. Photographers will just have to stick to school pictures and portraits, bakers will have to just offer dessert cakes, and Priests will just have to decline to do weddings unless they are finalized by a public official.

I don't think it will end here. I suspect that, although there are plenty of churches that will solemnize a gay "marriage", it is my opinion that troublemakers like the ones who caused a farm in New York to have to pay heavy fines for refusing to host their gay wedding ceremony will seek us out and try to force our hand. This Priest has come up with a creative way to head that off at the pass. We are not public officials and not representatives of the state.
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Destroy the bigot or force him with a bullwhip!
 
it's just me said:
Bakers cannot be compelled to make cakes, Priests cannot be compelled to preside over weddings.
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Bakers should have to back if gays want them to bake marriage cakes. If they do not like it, force them.
 
it's just me said:
With a gun to his head, yes...
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Better the whip. With gun to head, they could call your bluff and poof there would be nobody to bake the cake.
 
joG said:
And good games they were.
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You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
 
joG said:
Better the whip. With gun to head, they could call your bluff and poof there would be nobody to bake the cake.
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There is always somebody to bake the cake. The point is to kill the infidel.
 
joG said:
Bakers should have to back if gays want them to bake marriage cakes. If they do not like it, force them.
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I'm glad there are more and more courageous youth now that are standing up for their religious freedom. Thanks to anti-religion folks and political-correctness-gone-bonkers, they clearly see what is at stake.
What future would it be like if their world is led by irrational ideology?

Sentiment like yours are so inspiring.
 
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tosca1 said:
I'm glad there are more and more courageous youth now that are standing up for their religious freedom.
Sentiment like yours are so inspiring.
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I think it's sarcasm without the tags.
 
it's just me said:
Bakers cannot be compelled to make cakes, Priests cannot be compelled to preside over weddings.
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He didn't say he didn't want to preside over weddings. He said he would not sign any more marriage licenses. He will still officiate the weddings as long as people show up with a marriage license.
 
it's just me said:
You can't win Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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Then I guess we'd better try, as much as I like you, because seeing the power is believing.
 
it's just me said:
There is always somebody to bake the cake. The point is to kill the infidel.
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Then, by all means. But the whip will be more fun, you know.
 
tosca1 said:
I'm glad there are more and more courageous youth now that are standing up for their religious freedom. Thanks to anti-religion folks and political-correctness-gone-bonkers, they clearly see what is at stake.
What future would it be like if their world is led by irrational ideology?

Sentiment like yours are so inspiring.
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The stakes be dawned, it's the cake we want!
 
it's just me said:
I think it's sarcasm without the tags.
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It can be sarcasm.....but it also is stating a fact.

Sentiments expressed by the poster above is just another example of many evidence(s) of the kind of mentality that's saturated our system.

The liberal-minded have lost their bearings....they don't make any sense anymore.
The more that's shown clearly to everyone, the better. :lol: We don't even have to explain.
Just cut and paste these senseless statements. Like that one above that speaks for itself. Loud and clear.
Can't get any better than that. :mrgreen:

It inspires.


The scary thought of being ruled by idiotic ideology is galvanizing our religious youth into action.

After all, it'll be them who'll bear the full brunt of this looney political correctness and liberalism.
 
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Arcana XV said:
He didn't say he didn't want to preside over weddings. He said he would not sign any more marriage licenses. He will still officiate the weddings as long as people show up with a marriage license.
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Do you really think a public official is going to finalize a marriage that hasn't already happened?
 
Arcana XV said:
I didn't know you needed a government issued license to buy a cake, book a caterer for a party, or hire a photographer. You do need one to get married, though. Not the same thing at all.
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No, not the same but the idea is. The state, i.e. government can force you to provide your services to someone who you may have decided you didn't want to service.
 
tosca1 said:
It can be sarcasm.....but it also is stating a fact.

Sentiments expressed by the poster above is just another example of many evidence(s) of the kind of mentality that's saturated our system.

The liberal-minded have lost their bearings....they don't make any sense anymore.
The more that's shown clearly to everyone, the better. :lol: We don't even have to explain.
Just cut and paste these senseless statements. Like that one above that speaks for itself. Loud and clear.
Can't get any better than that. :mrgreen:

It inspires.


The scary thought of being ruled by idiotic ideology is galvanizing our religious youth into action.

After all, it'll be them who'll bear the full brunt of this looney political correctness and liberalism.
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The problem is that we ignored all of this for too long, passing these people off as crackpots. Little did we know that they would persuade half the population to their side, many of them with political power.

Can't ignore it any longer.
 
it's just me said:
Do you really think a public official is going to finalize a marriage that hasn't already happened?
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I was thinking about this whole scenario the other day, with sentiments and concerns similar to yours, and wondering what one might do to stay within the bounds of one's beliefs and still abide by the law.
One might only bake cakes, perform ceremonies, or appropriately appoint locations, with scripture. [
I] "24For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh."[/I]
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24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Let them come and learn the truth.
 
joG said:
Then, by all means. But the whip will be more fun, you know.
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Fascism is alive and well, no surprise to anyone this. This is atheist sharia-ism. Let the wise ones take note and prepare. Our God is greater than these lies.
 
Cable said:
I was thinking about this whole scenario the other day, with sentiments and concerns similar to yours, and wondering what one might do to stay within the bounds of one's beliefs and still abide by the law.
One might only bake cakes, perform ceremonies, or appropriately appoint locations, with scripture. [
I] "24For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh."[/I]
and
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Let them come and learn the truth.
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Let me know how that works out for you.

Nobody can really say they didn't know. Skip back a bit in Romans:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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