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Convert or Die?

If you were given a choice to convert to Islam or Die which would you choose?

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vasuderatorrent said:
The situation usually doesn't put you in an advantageous fighting position. You are usually taken out of your home, they shoot your youngest family member while you are unarmed and ask you to choose. You would probably be outnumbered 100 to 1. All of them would be armed except you.

I don't call that fighting. I call that dying with honor. It still fits under Option 2. Also keep in mind you may be asked to decide on behalf of the surviving members of your family which would exclude the youngest one which is already dead.

You are probably right. Lots of people have died under these conditions just this year. How hard is it to convert and then go out for an ice cream? The arrogance of the human spirit puzzles me.
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There are martyred people who'd become the inspiration for uprising.
That's how you see some oppressive regimes toppled down. When there is someone or something that unifies the people into action.

It's hard to have unity in the MiddleEast or anywhere that's splintered by tribal wars.
 
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vasuderatorrent said:
If you were given the choice to convert to Islam or die which one would you choose?
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Hypothetically since it's far fetched - if you were given the choice to convert to Christianity or die, which one would you choose?
 
Pretend to convert and commence killing immediately afterwards.

Karma free.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
None of us realistically have any idea what we would do. Sure its easy to say one way or another behind a keyboard. But realistically none of us know.
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No matter the situation, no one should ever give up on life.
 
When I was in the Army, I did some low-level intelligence work throughout the Middle East. Nothing too crazy, but a couple times, I found myself in a scary situation. And this was pre-9/11 and radical Islam, to me at least, was a very new thing. I understood that there was a "convert or die" aspect to those they gained power over, but of course, I knew that if I were ever to be in a situation like that, they'd probably just kill me rather than attempt to force an ol' white boy from Virginny to convert. I did play the situation out in my head a few times though, knowing that many people were facing that decision. At the time, I was young and big-headed, overly confident and thought I was a badass and told myself they'd have to kill me. But you know, looking on it now that I'm older, I don't know if I'd be so confident. I know I'd never be able to truly convert simply because that's not my method of worship and doesn't reflect my views on faith. But, as I think about it now, I'd probably say I was converting and attempt to go through the motions as long as I could to see if there was an opportunity for escape or what have you.
 
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I wouldn't convert, but I'd make them think I did.
 
tosca1 said:
Hypothetically since it's far fetched - if you were given the choice to convert to Christianity or die, which one would you choose?
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It's the same choice. But I am only alive today because my ancestors chose wrong.

I choose death. Honor is more important than life, and I will not live my life as an oathbreaker and a hypocrite.

If people start doing this to my neighbors... I will know they are coming for me next, and I will take my revenge in advance.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I wouldn't convert, I wouldn't let them kill me they would have a time of it.
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If you are unarmed and one hundred of them had automatic weapons it wouldn't be much of a struggle unless your guardian angels are going to intervene. I highly doubt that will happen. You'd be dead pretty quick.
 
Your Star said:
I wouldn't convert, but I'd make them think I did.
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If everybody thought like you we'd have no panic when these jerks start pulling this junk. Two likes for this comment.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
If you are unarmed and one hundred of them had automatic weapons it wouldn't be much of a struggle unless your guardian angels are going to intervene. I highly doubt that will happen. You'd be dead pretty quick.
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But I wouldn't go quietly.

Rule of thumb, eat lots of pork barbeque just in case I get kidnapped by terrorists, upon being kidnapped with tongue remove bits of pork stuck in teeth and spit it out on terrorists.

That's a good enough excuse to eat barbeque for me.
 
Rainman05 said:
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Meh. So I am captured and I have no way to fight back or escape or no help on the way. This is the scenario. I will ofc, go out and say some silly words and "become" a muslim. Now to become a muslim, so to convert, you need to accept that Allah is God and Muhammed is his prophet. Basically, that's what you have to say. And that's fine, I can say that. I don't believe anything of it or won't start following or believing anything islamic "teachings" have.

Saying a few silly words to live is basically not even a price. It's not even a competition. Because then, free and alive, I can come back in Europe and ofc, ofc, I wouldn't give a damn about anything islamic. I'd carry on doing what I do as usual.

My religion is not what defines me. Nor do I need a religion to give me morals or my bearings in life or set my goals. There is one thing greater than any religion and that is western civilization and western values. To preserve western values is the only thing worth giving your life for that is greater than life. It's the only thing worth fighting for. To be another number on the "how many people are part of X religion" is a waste of a life. Western civilization is so much more than any religion and so much greater than anything else that to work your whole life in service of enhancing and strengthening it wherever you live is the only life worth living.
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You have to say the words, yes...and attend their re-education camp where they will use brainwashing tecniqus and mind-altering drugs on you....and you will pray 5 times a day, every single day for the rest of your life...short as your life will be before you faithfully exicute your suicide mission....yeah.
 
vasuderatorrent said:
If you were given the choice to convert to Islam or die which one would you choose?
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If I had a gun to my head and no options, I would "convert" on the spot. I only need to wear the muslim disguise until I can get on the first thing smoking out of that hell hole.

I have no problem lying to genocidal sociopaths to save my own life, and I don't understand why anyone wouldn't.
 
longview said:
I am thinking the answer in is Arab culture, Only negotiate if you are weaker.
Wait for a time to kill those who oppress you.
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And so in your own way you've already begon the conversion.
 
I'd convert, and so would just about everyone else. Everyone's a hero on the internetz though.
 
Jerry said:
You have to say the words, yes...and attend their re-education camp where they will use brainwashing tecniqus and mind-altering drugs on you....and you will pray 5 times a day, every single day for the rest of your life...short as your life will be before you faithfully exicute your suicide mission....yeah.
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That's not specified in the OP nor the manner in which I replied. So that's your own little scenario and I feel no obligation to attend to it.
 
Rainman05 said:
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Meh. So I am captured and I have no way to fight back or escape or no help on the way. This is the scenario. I will ofc, go out and say some silly words and "become" a muslim. Now to become a muslim, so to convert, you need to accept that Allah is God and Muhammed is his prophet. Basically, that's what you have to say. And that's fine, I can say that. I don't believe anything of it or won't start following or believing anything islamic "teachings" have.

Saying a few silly words to live is basically not even a price. It's not even a competition. Because then, free and alive, I can come back in Europe and ofc, ofc, I wouldn't give a damn about anything islamic. I'd carry on doing what I do as usual.

My religion is not what defines me. Nor do I need a religion to give me morals or my bearings in life or set my goals. There is one thing greater than any religion and that is western civilization and western values. To preserve western values is the only thing worth giving your life for that is greater than life. It's the only thing worth fighting for. To be another number on the "how many people are part of X religion" is a waste of a life. Western civilization is so much more than any religion and so much greater than anything else that to work your whole life in service of enhancing and strengthening it wherever you live is the only life worth living.
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Due to my faith, I'd perhaps be rather high on the killing list of IS.

But as you say, I could always "convert" in word only, if given the choice. But my heart will never be convinced.

IMO, this approach of controlling people's *behavior*, no matter if in a twisted, warped and lunatic way such as by IS who will kill you otherwise, or in a more moderate form of Christian religious right who wants to legislate morals, strikes me as totally missing the point when it comes to religion (I'm saying that as a person who thinks of himself as religious). True religion comes from within, it's about what you truly believe and feel, and much less so about what you say or show to the outside. Forcing people under a religion by forcing them to behave in a certain manner totally misses the point, IMO.

You will win no single soul by pressure and violence, much like pressure and violence will convince nobody that a good poem is beautiful, when she/he doesn't see it.
 
Rainman05 said:
That's not specified in the OP nor the manner in which I replied. So that's your own little scenario and I feel no obligation to attend to it.
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You're out of touch with the kind of fenatic who would make the demand in the first place, then.
 
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