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The good news of Gods kingdom.

kjw47 said:
It would be sick if everyone was predestined. Not a Calvanist. We all must choose by actions of our free will -Deuteronomy 30: 19
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So, what's your take on divine omniscience?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This is a pretty horrible thing to say, blarg was right. Assuming that we actually do have a choice, how are you supposed to choose one specific religion over the 100's out there? There's no proof that one religion is right over the others so you have to guess. If you pick anything other than christianity you will be tortured for eternity.

Does the thought of other people being burned and tortured by the person you're worshipping not bother you? Should I just subscribe to the religion that threatens me the most? If we're playing for our eternal souls why can't god provide ONE piece of irrefutable evidence?

If god doesn't know the future then he's not omnipotent and not god. Apparently to you he's just some guy along for the ride with us.
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How to choose?
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

God is evident, but man has set his own standard for proof, as usual. We are so full of pride.
The thought of people being put away from God is not pleasant, but you might come to understand that these would have nothing else. They hate God.
 
kjw47 said:
Actually one needs to understand the events of Eden--When satan told Eve they would become like God, knowing good and bad---basically he was saying we wouldn't need Gods direction if we knew both sides--This was a direct challenge to Gods universal sovereignty( besides a kick in the teeth)--all creation witnessed this( 2 mortals and millions of angels)--so once and for all time it will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is best for mortals to know only good and need Gods directions. Otherwise it could keep happening--but God promised it will never happen again. Live for entrance into Gods kingdom now, by listening to his directions.
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ya this hole universal sovereignty over people thing where god can do no wrong not good

killing people or toting them because they don't always do what you want or believe v in you cant be what's best for people sorry but its the truth
 
kjw47 said:
We all know this system of things is not what God wanted--The rebels in Eden caused it.
But soon Gods kingdom comes to the earth--the only hope left for mankind.
Jesus showed us what Gods kingdom rule will do for mankind. Its a cure all-- Life everlasting for those who are true followers of Jesus now by living to do Gods will( Matt 7:21)--- Every motive of mankind towards one another will be out of love first and foremost. All will be united as one under Our king Jesus and God-Jehovah. The wolf will reside with the lamb( Harmony( Isaiah 11:6) Abundance of food for all--God only rested creating--He has wonderful new and exciting things in store for obedient mankind. God doesn't just think of himself--He created variety in everything he created. God created mortals to know only good--he is right--knowing good and bad--sucks. To have life everlasting---- one must take in knowledge and get to know Jehovah and Jesus--Jesus said it meant eternal life-John 17:1-6.
144,000( numbered) -are bought from the earth-Rev 14:3

Jesus taught--Blessed( happy) are the meek( mild tempered) for they ( great crowd of other sheep which no man can number) will inherit the earth--Earth will become a paradise--no satan influences= the new earth--a new system of things--Gods kingdom in control forever-Daniel 2:44)-- we are all invited--we must do our part.
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It is called Socialism, and the Tea Party will stop it and any other Christian nonsense! :)
 
tosca1 said:
No, there's no guessing involved. Christianity is the true religion....and evidences have been discussed on several threads. If one is indeed searching for truth, it's only sensible to look.

Your opinion are mostly based on your ignorance about Christanity....and it is biased. Your previous posts indicated you're very much anti-Christian.


Like I said, if as atheists, you don't believe in life after death - why would threats of eternal damnation bother you?

Furthermore, why continue to follow threads after threads of religion?
Either you're simply trolling - or, you're not exactly being truthful. You are agnostic -

- and the possibility of life after death does indeed, bothers you.
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nope philosophical arguments for needing a god let alone your god have holes in em and believers saying they witnessed magic is not very convincing

like I said that your okay with damming people while you believe in it condemns you and shows your character
 
Cable said:
How to choose?
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

God is evident, but man has set his own standard for proof, as usual. We are so full of pride.
The thought of people being put away from God is not pleasant, but you might come to understand that these would have nothing else. They hate God.
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ya the bible quote saying god is evident is not true cause its in the bible try again

god is not evident

and while I might hate your god that's only because he's an evil dick at times
 
Cable said:
How to choose?
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

God is evident, but man has set his own standard for proof, as usual. We are so full of pride.
The thought of people being put away from God is not pleasant, but you might come to understand that these would have nothing else. They hate God.
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Nothing you just stated here had anything to do with choosing christianity over ANY other religion or no religion at all. All you did was state he was evident, as if that had anything to do with christianity whatsoever. Try again.

There are 100 holy books from 100 different religions put on a table in front of you. Someone puts a gun to your head and says pick the ONE right one or I will torture you forever if you choose wrong. How do you with 100% certainty pick one holy book over the 99 others?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If we're playing for our eternal souls why can't god provide ONE piece of irrefutable evidence?
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Big 'if' there. Once you realise that there's no such thing as an eternal soul - nothing's eternal after all - then the fear of hellfire just seems to evaporate.
 
blarg said:
ya the bible quote saying god is evident is not true cause its in the bible try again
god is not evident
and while I might hate your god that's only because he's an evil dick at times
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Blarg, you believe in God!
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Nothing you just stated here had anything to do with choosing christianity over ANY other religion or no religion at all. All you did was state he was evident, as if that had anything to do with christianity whatsoever. Try again.

There are 100 holy books from 100 different religions put on a table in front of you. Someone puts a gun to your head and says pick the ONE right one or I will torture you forever if you choose wrong. How do you with 100% certainty pick one holy book over the 99 others?
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It is a rare few who literally have to choose between 100, but we all have a gun to our heads of sorts.
Christ is the way, as he clearly stated. You know about Christ? Read his words? Understood his life? Then it isn't overly difficult to choose.
Many don't choose him. The primary reason is they are convicted and don't like it. Who wants to understand the load of guilt they actually carry?
It's easier to choose a religion that is more in conformity with what we personally want, or none at all.
 
Cable said:
How to choose?
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

God is evident, but man has set his own standard for proof, as usual. We are so full of pride.
The thought of people being put away from God is not pleasant, but you might come to understand that these would have nothing else. They hate God.
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Just to clarify here. You cannot hate something you do not believe in. "they" do not hate god. "they" might however hate the concept of what is considered a fictional character referred to as "God".
 
marduc said:
Just to clarify here. You cannot hate something you do not believe in. "they" do not hate god. "they" might however hate the concept of what is considered a fictional character referred to as "God".
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sounds right
 
Cable said:
It is a rare few who literally have to choose between 100, but we all have a gun to our heads of sorts.
Christ is the way, as he clearly stated. You know about Christ? Read his words? Understood his life? Then it isn't overly difficult to choose.
Many don't choose him. The primary reason is they are convicted and don't like it. Who wants to understand the load of guilt they actually carry?
It's easier to choose a religion that is more in conformity with what we personally want, or none at all.
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you have chosen what you want though
 
Cable said:
Who wants to understand the load of guilt they actually carry?
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See, that's where Christianity always lost me. Guilt seems a poor basis for a holistic world-view IMHO.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There are 100 holy books from 100 different religions put on a table in front of you. Someone puts a gun to your head and says pick the ONE right one or I will torture you forever if you choose wrong. How do you with 100% certainty pick one holy book over the 99 others?
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This brought a video to mind, so I will just leave it here.

 
blarg said:
you have chosen what you want though
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You are right in that it is always an individual subjective choice we make, but "what I want" doesn't really offer the compelling reasons.
God is what I hope, what I fear, and in whom I am thankful.

Hope because he is ultimately perfectly good.
What I fear because he is also perfectly just.
Thankful because he provided a way for me to escape the justice I deserve.
 
Cable said:
Is the a voldermort or SW forum where you post about these gents regularly?
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no but as a far as i know they don't have huge cults of worshipers who think they good guys and that the world should be ordered in accordance to their wills

its what you believe in that I argue with you about

talking to the worshipers what they worship cannot be found
 
Cable said:
You are right in that it is always an individual subjective choice we make, but "what I want" doesn't really offer the compelling reasons.
God is what I hope, what I fear, and in whom I am thankful.

Hope because he is ultimately perfectly good.
What I fear because he is also perfectly just.
Thankful because he provided a way for me to escape the justice I deserve.
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yep those compelling reasons all have to do with what you want

you want to feel all the bad people will be punished but you and those you deem acceptable will be ok even if your bad sometimes to
 
blarg said:
no but as a far as i know they don't have huge cults of worshipers who think they good guys and that the world should be ordered in accordance to their wills
its what you believe in that I argue with you about
talking to the worshipers what they worship cannot be found
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Everyone on earth makes subjective moral choices and tends to vote laws (force them) on the rest of us. Christians are not unique in this.

Your last sentence made absolutely no sense.
 
Cable said:
Stawman
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How so? It directly relates to what RabidAlpaca is saying, and what he said did remind me of that video. Am i strawmanning him? or you saying that I am strawmanning you? I did not reply to you if that is what you are claiming.

Rabid.. you tell me: was that video a strawman of your claim?
 
Cable said:
Everyone on earth makes subjective moral choices and tends to vote laws (force them) on the rest of us. Christians are not unique in this.

Your last sentence made absolutely no sense.
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only some people far to many( 1 is to many ) think they are in touch with some kind of objective morality though that's not unique regrettably

im interested in judging your god and evidence for it because of you worshipers and what you might do not for the sake of the beings you worship that I don't know to exist
 
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