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Spotlight on.....BUDDHISM

Christ reformed Judaism, just as Buddha reformed Hinduism (which predates Judaism).

The point is the influence of Judaism on Buddha.
 
The point is the influence of Judaism on Buddha.

So, which philosophical aspects of Buddhism do you think derive from, or were influenced by, Judaism?

I have a feeling that these suppositions about the Israelite origins of the Lord Buddha have as much substance as those that claim Jesus became teacher to tin miners in Cornwall.

JESUS CHRIST IN GREAT BRITAIN
 
That doesn't matter. I was talking of the possible influence of Judaism on Buddha.
Limiting things for your self is your right, but I am not so limited.

My view is that Buddhism influenced Judaism, and I can not see any influence of Judaism on Buddhism.

Hinduism influenced Buddhism, and just about everyone is influenced by Buddhism after they look into it.

Here's a long article from Ted Wright.

Was the Old Testament Invented During the Babylonian Exile? The Answer is NO.
I do not know whoever "Ted Wright" might be to you, but in this case he is misguided and wrong.

Ted Wright surely does not speak for God, and I say he does not speak for you either.

Beg to disagree with you on that. That flies against logic.

If all religions are connected by God.....there wouldn't be the very first (and most important) Commandment shared by Judaism and Christianity: Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
It depends on the type of "logic" because the limitations on people are not limits on God.

The 1st commandment is actually telling us that THERE ARE OTHER GODS because first there has to be other Gods in order to put them in front of the Father God - Yahweh.

If there were no other Gods then that 1st commandment would be meaningless.

Idolatry wouldn't have been a problem. No bowing down to idols - especially pagan idols.
There wouldn't have to be any warnings about false teachings.
It says NOTHING about "false teaching" as that is an inaccurate interpretation of the commandment.

If it meant false teaching then the commandment would say = Do not have any false gods before Me.

And truly the vast majority of worldwide Christianity including the Protestant Churches have idols and icons for Christianity, so restricting such things to the so-called "pagans" is way far too restricted.
 
Limiting things for your self is your right, but I am not so limited.

My view is that Buddhism influenced Judaism, and I can not see any influence of Judaism on Buddhism.

Well, aren't you limiting yourself the very same way you claim I'm limiting myself? Aren't you on the same boat with me, except we're paddling on opposite directions? :lol:

Furthermore, I'm not limited to just that. There is also that other theory....that Buddha may've been an Israelite! :)


Hinduism influenced Buddhism, and just about everyone is influenced by Buddhism after they look into it.

I don't think practicing Jews and practicing Christians are influenced by Buddhism.
 
There is also that other theory....that Buddha may've been an Israelite! :)
I really can not imagine any wholesome reason to make such a claim as that.

Is it that some brown person and some guy from India could not have dreamed up such a brilliant and beautiful doctrine and religion as Buddhism - without having some outside influence?

Are you trying to improve on the Buddha? or are you trying to cut him down? - Whichever is your point is unclear to me.

I don't think practicing Jews and practicing Christians are influenced by Buddhism.
I consider myself as a Christian and I simply love the Buddha and Buddhism, so there is at least this one.

Many if not most Christians do believe that they have to be totally Christian and NOTHING else, and I see that as blind and deaf and dumb.
 
I do not know whoever "Ted Wright" might be to you, but in this case he is misguided and wrong.

Ted Wright surely does not speak for God, and I say he does not speak for you either.

I don't know much about him either....but if he's been asked to appear in a documentary as an "expert," I'd say he knows more about the subject compared to you and I.

Bio

Ted W. Wright is the Executive Director of CrossExamined. Ted’s areas of specialty include archaeology and the Bible as well as apologetics, paleontology, geology and philosophy.
Ted earned his undergraduate degree from the Cobb Institute of Archaeology at Mississippi State University and a Masters degree in Apologetics at Southern Evangelical Seminary.
In addition to teaching at two seminaries, Ted speaks on college campuses and churches all over the world with the eye-opening presentation, Digging for the Truth: The Bible and Archaeology.
He has appeared on numerous radio and TV programs. Most recently, he represents the Christian position on History Channel’s most ambitious TV series to date: Mankind: The Story of all of Us.
Ted has served as a research assistant at the Cobb Institute of Archaeology where he helped research and curate artifacts from Southern Israel, and he has personally investigated the Grand Canyon for evidence of a great flood.


People | Ted Wright - About | Ratio Christi


If you think he's wrong, or misguided....by all means, let's see where you base your opinion.




It depends on the type of "logic" because the limitations on people are not limits on God.

The 1st commandment is actually telling us that THERE ARE OTHER GODS because first there has to be other Gods in order to put them in front of the Father God - Yahweh.

If there were no other Gods then that 1st commandment would be meaningless.

Not other Gods. Other gods.

What do you think the ten plagues of Egypt was all about? It is to show that the idols (gods) that Egypt was worshipping are nothing!

Question: "What was the meaning and purpose of the ten plagues of Egypt?"

Answer: The Ten Plagues of Egypt—also known as the Ten Plagues, the Plagues of Egypt, or the Biblical Plagues—are described in Exodus 7–12. The plagues were ten disasters sent upon Egypt by God to convince Pharaoh to free the Israelite slaves from the bondage and oppression they had endured in Egypt for 400 years. When God sent Moses to deliver the children of Israel from bondage in Egypt, He promised to show His wonders as confirmation of Moses' authority (Exodus 3:20). This confirmation was to serve at least two purposes: to show the Israelites that the God of their fathers was alive and worthy of their worship and to show the Egyptians that their gods were nothing.

By the time the Israelites left Egypt, they had a clear picture of God's power, God's protection, and God's plan for them. For those who were willing to believe, they had convincing evidence that they served the true and living God. Sadly, many still failed to believe, which led to other trials and lessons by God. The result for the Egyptians and the other ancient people of the region was a dread of the God of Israel. Pharaoh once again hardened his heart and sent his chariots after the Israelites. When God opened a way through the Red Sea for the Israelites, then drowned all of Pharaoh's armies there, the power of Egypt was crushed, and the fear of God spread through the surrounding nations (Joshua 2:9-11). This was the very purpose that God declared at the beginning. We can still look back on these events today to confirm our faith in, and our fear of, this true and living God, the judge of all the earth.


Read more: What was the meaning and purpose of the ten plagues of Egypt?



It says NOTHING about "false teaching" as that is an inaccurate interpretation of the commandment.
If it meant false teaching then the commandment would say = Do not have any false gods before Me.

False teachings would come from false prophets. False teachings can be any teachings that misinterpret, or manipulate what's written in the Scriptures.


And truly the vast majority of worldwide Christianity including the Protestant Churches have idols and icons for Christianity, so restricting such things to the so-called "pagans" is way far too restricted.

The church that I belong to - Baptist - doesn't. The church of the Pastor who was instrumental to my being born again (it's a non-denominational church) doesn't have idols or icons, either.

As for restrictions - it's not me who gave the Commandment.

If you believe that all religions are connected - and therefore we're all talking about the one and the same God - then, you're actually complaining about, and criticizing your own God.

Perhaps you should ask Him why He gave Jews and Christians a different message.
 
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I really can not imagine any wholesome reason to make such a claim as that.

Is it that some brown person and some guy from India could not have dreamed up such a brilliant and beautiful doctrine and religion as Buddhism - without having some outside influence?

You gotta be kidding me! You're bringing in the race card? :lol:

Go read that article - Buddha, the Israelite - I gave you.



Are you trying to improve on the Buddha? or are you trying to cut him down? - Whichever is your point is unclear to me.

Take your pick.

But I'm saying, the similarities of the two had led me to google about this. I wouldn't be surprised that Buddha was influenced somehow by Judaism. In fact I'll be very suprprised if I find out he wasn't.



I consider myself as a Christian and I simply love the Buddha and Buddhism, so there is at least this one.

Many if not most Christians do believe that they have to be totally Christian and NOTHING else, and I see that as blind and deaf and dumb.

What can I say? I didn't make the rules.....

It comes down to the real reason why you decided to become a Christian. Why? What's your reason?

Mine - the promises of God, to be able to enter His Kingdom and have eternal life.

God gave us His How-to manual. So I try my best to adhere to it.
 
I don't know much about him either....but if he's been asked to appear in a documentary as an "expert," I'd say he knows more about the subject compared to you and I.

If you think he's wrong, or misguided....by all means, let's see where you base your opinion.
That person has the same kind of brain of flesh and blood just as you and I, so I give him no higher authority or expertise than you or myself.

Plus, I gave my position and then you brought up that meaningless man as some authority, so my opposition still stands as I gave it before in post #72 on page 8

The church that I belong to - Baptist - doesn't. The church of the Pastor who was instrumental to my being born again (it's a non-denominational church) doesn't have idols or icons, either.
The Baptist have crosses and use crosses and a cross is both an icon and an idol.

But I have been to Baptist churches before and might go again, so I care nothing about any cross or idol as they have no real power or meaning, and the Baptist have far more serious problems then some idol on their Church.

And I am just trying to talk and I do regret that it is offensive of me, as I really do wish you well in your faith.

If you believe that all religions are connected - and therefore we're all talking about the one and the same God - then, you're actually complaining about, and criticizing your own God.
That is a legitimate point, and there are lots of ways which I am critical of God, and usually I just have to submit.

More often I am really just criticizing the people and not the Church, but the people see their selves as the Church and that troubles me.

Perhaps you should ask Him why He gave Jews and Christians a different message.
I have no problem with that.

My view is that God gave a different message to every person.

God gives a different message to Muslims and to Hindu and a different message to His daughters than to His sons, and a different message to you and to me as to every other person too.

Even a different message to different Countries = US & B in Prophesy.
 
That person has the same kind of brain of flesh and blood just as you and I, so I give him no higher authority or expertise than you or myself.

Plus, I gave my position and then you brought up that meaningless man as some authority, so my opposition still stands as I gave it before in post #72 on page 8

But the position you gave was wrong.

You said:

"Israel" does not really mean "Judaism nor Jewish"

I have to explain it to you by giving this:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/religious-discussions/197352-spotlight-buddhism-8.html#post1063447823


Furthermore,

Judaism is the religion, philosophy and way of life of the Jewish people.
Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Jewish people is another name for the Children of Israel, and Judaism is the religion and the WAY OF LIFE of the Jewish People....I don't know how you can even state what you just stated above.

So I guess you can understand why I wouldn't take your opinion seriously.



Crosses may be an icon....but what does the Cross symbolize in the Christian faith? Why do we have Holy Communion or the breaking of the bread as a remembrance of Christ - as instructed by Jesus? Wouldn't the bread be an icon, too?

The meaning behind those icons are in no way similar to worshipping other idols.
To reduce the Cross to the same level as other idols by a Christian is quite.....sad (for lack of a better word).


Anyway, I'm not going to split head with you over your preference. If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. We just believe differently, that's all.
 
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This just came to me in email. I find it most appropriate.

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