Opinions of Pope Francis?

kjw47 said:

a warning---GET OUT OF HER--

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Who is she? And why is someone in her?

Amadeus said:

I was very sceptical of Pope Francis at first, but I've grown to respect him a great deal.

What are your thoughts on him?

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I wish he would drop his poorly thought out the practice of giving "off the cuff" interviews.

It really does not matter if one is in the clergy, politics, or business, or if one is a progressive or a conservative, senior leaders rarely give "off the cuff" interviews about anything, much less weighty matters.

There are good reasons why they do this, and I wish Pope Francis would study them.

Ceist said:

Who is she? And why is someone in her?

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Part of Babylon the great--world empire of false religions----they are about to go down forever.

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Matthew 14:36).

Amadeus said:

I was very sceptical of Pope Francis at first, but I've grown to respect him a great deal.

What are your thoughts on him?

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seems like a nice guy I guess.,,, i'm not too keen on his fashion sense, though.

I'm not a catholic, so I don't pay much attention to what he has to say really.

nota bene said:

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Matthew 14:36).

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This is talking about--Har-mageddon. The fall of Babylon the great is announced by this first---Whenever they are saying peace and security, sudden destruction will be upon them( Babylon the great)--It says--God will put it into their hearts to do this.( worldwide false religions)---no more religious holidays----Gods word teaches----The merchants stand at a distance and mourn these events-Because their shelves are stocked full-- bad business = job loss( big time) the start of the tribulation.

The point, irrespective of whether this is the "Great Babylon" or Armageddon or whatever, is that there is no point in speculating or trying to predict when these events occur. These are fools' errands.

To me he is a good change from the high and mighty but I know there are many in the church that wish he never made it to pope. It is like a world leader I am not so sure it is good for leadership to roll up their sleeves and play ball with neighborhood kids. Being one of the gang is really not good for leadership. Like it or not there is something to b e said for looking up to leaders.

Captain America said:

I'm not Catholic but I do like their new Pope. He seems very liberal minded, socially, (as far as Pope's go,) and Jesus-like.

I know a lot of Catholics that are just the opposite. Not sure how well he will be received by his own.

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He has an 88% approval rate amongst Catholics.

SMTA said:

He has an 88% approval rate amongst Catholics.

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That's great news. My wife is Catholic and she thinks he's great.

I was thinking of some of our esteemed colleagues here that profess to be Catholic but tend to give the appearance that they stand for just about everything the Pope stands against. I was wondering how they might feel with their conflicting opinions/beliefs/ideologies. Now that their own Pope is telling them they are out of step with Jesus/The Church, etc. I don't see them taking that lightly. They appear to be a very proud and stubborn bunch, on occasion. Too many times I have observed them coming up short on the "What would Jesus Do?," measurement scale.

He's massively better than they deserve, so my suspicious nature suggests he won't be with us long - sort of, 'he was a good Pope as good popes go, and as good popes go, he went!' Bang bang!

Captain America said:

That's great news. My wife is Catholic and she thinks he's great.

I was thinking of some of our esteemed colleagues here that profess to be Catholic but tend to give the appearance that they stand for just about everything the Pope stands against. I was wondering how they might feel with their conflicting opinions/beliefs/ideologies. Now that their own Pope is telling them they are out of step with Jesus/The Church, etc. I don't see them taking that lightly. They appear to be a very proud and stubborn bunch, on occasion. Too many times I have observed them coming up short on the "What would Jesus Do?," measurement scale.

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The problem is changing the attitude of all of the entrenched Bishops and Priests - there are a lot of years of arrogance that needs to be squashed, and it will take time.

Their self worth I find quite amazing, as they have yet to understand that they are the problem.

They have not yet learned that there is no church without the laity.

They currently believe that their own importance is greater than US law, and above the teachings of Jesus Christ.

They are very wrong.

Penderyn said:

He's massively better than they deserve, so my suspicious nature suggests he won't be with us long - sort of, 'he was a good Pope as good popes go, and as good popes go, he went!' Bang bang!

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Ecclesiastes 7:17 (KJV)

Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?

In other words, don't be too good or too bad for the good and the bad die young.

rhinefire said:

To me he is a good change from the high and mighty but I know there are many in the church that wish he never made it to pope. It is like a world leader I am not so sure it is good for leadership to roll up their sleeves and play ball with neighborhood kids. Being one of the gang is really not good for leadership. Like it or not there is something to b e said for looking up to leaders.

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You think John Paul II was "high and mighty"?!

Amadeus said:

I was very sceptical of Pope Francis at first, but I've grown to respect him a great deal.

What are your thoughts on him?

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All of the Popes I have known about are sharp guys, humanitarians, theologian. I was partial to Benedict, I have some of his stuff.

Paleocon said:

Have you considered taking remedial grammar?

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AND theology...

Amadeus said:

I was very sceptical of Pope Francis at first, but I've grown to respect him a great deal.

What are your thoughts on him?

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This is always my opinion about such opinions

“Suppose we heard an unknown man spoken of by many men. Suppose we were puzzled to hear that some men said he was too tall and some too short; some objected to his fatness, some lamented his leanness; some thought him too dark, and some too fair. One explanation would be that he might be an odd shape. But there is another explanation. He might be the right shape. Outrageously tall men might feel him to be short. Very short men might feel him to be tall. Old bucks who are growing stout might consider him insufficiently filled out; old beaux who were growing thin might feel that he expanded beyond the narrow lines of elegance. Perhaps the Swedes called him a dark man, while Negroes considered him distinctly blonde. Perhaps this extraordinary thing is really the ordinary thing; at least the normal thing, the centre. Perhaps after all it is Christianity that is sane and all its critics that are mad in various ways.” Chesterton – Orthodoxy


Francis says exactly what has been said for 2000 years yet because his demeanor seems less stoic and pedantic than his German predecessor he is portrayed by some, who know nothing about Catholicism as "liberal", it is laughable. This is the Kardashian theology, if I say it, it must be true, if I feel it it has to be true.

The primary difference between this pope and the last is that Francis is an Argentinian and Pope Benedict is a German, theologically you can not find a hair of difference between them. That is not to say Francis will not be more charismatic (in the popular sense), lighter, funnier, likable, talkative etc. etc. all of which are important to spreading the faith and making people FEEL good about him and by extension Cathoicism and Christianity.

Everybody likes a reformer.

Just don't be surprised when you discover that Pope Francis is, in fact, Catholic.

nota bene said:

Just don't be surprised when you discover that Pope Francis is, in fact, Catholic.

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I have had a lot of Non-Catholics tell me how much they like him!

They may not if, as I've said, they realize that he really is Catholic, and orthodox at that. Wait and see.

nota bene said:

They may not if, as I've said, they realize that he really is Catholic, and orthodox at that. Wait and see.

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True enough.

Same message, different delivery.

Humility is an admirable quality.

fmw said:

Everybody likes a reformer.

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Not everyone, those who require reforming often don't like the reformer.

But as is often the case non Catholics view the human infrastructure within the Church as the Church so therefore mistakenly think change within the human infrastructure means change in the Church. The Church is not now, never has been and never will be a human institution.

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Religion aside, I like his Popeness, Frank. He's speaking up for those with no voices in the oligarchy, greedy, inhumane, self-centered world

The key point is that all churches, at least theoretically, look back to Jesus as their Founder, though they more often quote Old Testament scriptures and believe in many things he manifestly didn't, like, for instance, capitalism. The Present Pope, though clearly committed to all sorts of non-Christian nonsense, at least remembers where they come from, and that is a real breath of fresh air.