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Quran

Sounds similar to some of the descriptions of God in the bible. Islam and Judaism are connected through Abraham. Christianity is another branch in that tree. We are all connected somehow.
 
Alyssa said:
Sounds similar to some of the descriptions of God in the bible. Islam and Judaism are connected through Abraham. Christianity is another branch in that tree. We are all connected somehow.
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because there is only one god
 
No there isn't just 1 god. judaism has its own, christianity has its own and islam has its own. Just because they all use the same word in their respective languages to describe him, doesn't mean he is the same.

It's like if 3 people said the word "chair" but each person has a different image of a chair in mind.
For some it's this:
the-school-chair.gif


For others it's this:
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And for others it's this:
Mandy-Maple-Chairs.jpg


They're all chairs. Each is called "chair" and each performs the same function -> people sit on them. But they all look different. they all have different properties and are made out of different stuff.

That's exactly the same with the gods of the abrahamic religion. Everyone of them is a "chair" described as such, but they're different.

I also gave a mathematical reason why this isn't so and I can give so again if you want. But since a lot of people are stupid at maths, I thought a visual example may be more adequate.
 
Rainman05 said:
No there isn't just 1 god. judaism has its own, christianity has its own and islam has its own. Just because they all use the same word in their respective languages to describe him, doesn't mean he is the same.

It's like if 3 people said the word "chair" but each person has a different image of a chair in mind.
For some it's this:
the-school-chair.gif


For others it's this:
brno-chairs.jpg

And for others it's this:
Mandy-Maple-Chairs.jpg


They're all chairs. Each is called "chair" and each performs the same function -> people sit on them. But they all look different. they all have different properties and are made out of different stuff.

That's exactly the same with the gods of the abrahamic religion. Everyone of them is a "chair" described as such, but they're different.

I also gave a mathematical reason why this isn't so and I can give so again if you want. But since a lot of people are stupid at maths, I thought a visual example may be more adequate.
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It's probably the same God but worshiped and understood culturally in different ways, though I understand your opinion. Some of the far Eastern religions are the hardest for me to understand.
 
grip said:
It's probably the same God but worshiped and understood culturally in different ways, though I understand your opinion. Some of the far Eastern religions are the hardest for me to understand.
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Most eastern religions are BS. Especially hinduism and seeing as how buddhism splintered from hinduism and went 180degrees in some areas... still, BS.

What I am trying to say about the abrahamic religions is that it's not the same god. They're different.

Yahwe has Moses and the other prophets. No jesus.
Christianity has Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
Islam demotes Jesus and the Virgin Mary to a lesser status and makes Mohammed (well, Mohammed made himself) the final prophet and all imba and stuff. Also, it's pretty amazing that Islam is the only one of the 3 religions where the main protagonist of the show, Mohammed, is also the one who wrote the damn thing. Or at least had someone write it while he dictated coz he was illiterate.

Notice the difference? not the Torah or the New Testament were written by the people who were "the main cast" if you will. It was written about the protagonists by other people.

In other words. Judaism and Christianity are written by people who want to make a movie and cast other people... Islam is the religion where the writer wants to be the superhero in his movie. Which is why it has all the elements. Supernatural powers -> goes to heaven on a winged horse; gets the girl -> well, the girls... mostly underrage which he violates and then get virgins in heaven because why not... is like super smart -> because he teaches others stuff and is a symbol of what people should strive to be. So it all feels a bit masturbatory if you ask me.

Anyway, not the same God because what I wrote above, there are different important elements that go into the mixture of what being a jew, a muslim and a christian means... what you should worship and who the "role models" are. And also, islam is a masturbatory religion.
 
Rainman05 said:
Most eastern religions are BS. Especially hinduism and seeing as how buddhism splintered from hinduism and went 180degrees in some areas... still, BS.

What I am trying to say about the abrahamic religions is that it's not the same god. They're different.

Yahwe has Moses and the other prophets. No jesus.
Christianity has Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
Islam demotes Jesus and the Virgin Mary to a lesser status and makes Mohammed (well, Mohammed made himself) the final prophet and all imba and stuff. Also, it's pretty amazing that Islam is the only one of the 3 religions where the main protagonist of the show, Mohammed, is also the one who wrote the damn thing. Or at least had someone write it while he dictated coz he was illiterate.

Notice the difference? not the Torah or the New Testament were written by the people who were "the main cast" if you will. It was written about the protagonists by other people.

In other words. Judaism and Christianity are written by people who want to make a movie and cast other people... Islam is the religion where the writer wants to be the superhero in his movie. Which is why it has all the elements. Supernatural powers -> goes to heaven on a winged horse; gets the girl -> well, the girls... mostly underrage which he violates and then get virgins in heaven because why not... is like super smart -> because he teaches others stuff and is a symbol of what people should strive to be. So it all feels a bit masturbatory if you ask me.

Anyway, not the same God because what I wrote above, there are different important elements that go into the mixture of what being a jew, a muslim and a christian means... what you should worship and who the "role models" are. And also, islam is a masturbatory religion.
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Alright, I gotcha. Even though it may literally be the same deity, they make it into another God by how they worship. The problem with a lot of the differences is the cultural aspects, history, details and interpretations of intent in their scriptures.

If they'd keep it more basic and on the positive side, I believe they'd be more aligned and peaceful in how they worship.
 
Rainman05 said:
No there isn't just 1 god. judaism has its own, christianity has its own and islam has its own. Just because they all use the same word in their respective languages to describe him, doesn't mean he is the same.

It's like if 3 people said the word "chair" but each person has a different image of a chair in mind.
For some it's this:
the-school-chair.gif


For others it's this:
brno-chairs.jpg

And for others it's this:
Mandy-Maple-Chairs.jpg


They're all chairs. Each is called "chair" and each performs the same function -> people sit on them. But they all look different. they all have different properties and are made out of different stuff.

That's exactly the same with the gods of the abrahamic religion. Everyone of them is a "chair" described as such, but they're different.

I also gave a mathematical reason why this isn't so and I can give so again if you want. But since a lot of people are stupid at maths, I thought a visual example may be more adequate.
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l have just woken up and need a coffee l think
 
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Rainman05 said:
Most eastern religions are BS. Especially hinduism and seeing as how buddhism splintered from hinduism and went 180degrees in some areas... still, BS.

What I am trying to say about the abrahamic religions is that it's not the same god. They're different.

Yahwe has Moses and the other prophets. No jesus.
Christianity has Jesus and the Virgin Mary.
Islam demotes Jesus and the Virgin Mary to a lesser status and makes Mohammed (well, Mohammed made himself) the final prophet and all imba and stuff. Also, it's pretty amazing that Islam is the only one of the 3 religions where the main protagonist of the show, Mohammed, is also the one who wrote the damn thing. Or at least had someone write it while he dictated coz he was illiterate.

Notice the difference? not the Torah or the New Testament were written by the people who were "the main cast" if you will. It was written about the protagonists by other people.

In other words. Judaism and Christianity are written by people who want to make a movie and cast other people... Islam is the religion where the writer wants to be the superhero in his movie. Which is why it has all the elements. Supernatural powers -> goes to heaven on a winged horse; gets the girl -> well, the girls... mostly underrage which he violates and then get virgins in heaven because why not... is like super smart -> because he teaches others stuff and is a symbol of what people should strive to be. So it all feels a bit masturbatory if you ask me.

Anyway, not the same God because what I wrote above, there are different important elements that go into the mixture of what being a jew, a muslim and a christian means... what you should worship and who the "role models" are. And also, islam is a masturbatory religion.
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I think you just made the point extremely clearly that every religion is based on what one or another person decided to write....and thus all the "Gods" are completely man made constructs to be considered fictional.

Basically, using your own powerful wording:

They are ALL "BS".
 
tecoyah said:
I think you just made the point extremely clearly that every religion is based on what one or another person decided to write....and thus all the "Gods" are completely man made constructs to be considered fictional.

Basically, using your own powerful wording:

They are ALL "BS".
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Yes well, since it's a matter of subjective opinion, being of one religion or more religions or a made-up religion or no religion is all fine and dandy. It's up to people. As a general rule, follow whatever you want to follow, believe whatever you wanna believe in, as long as it makes you want to be a better person by societys' standards.

I have my own opinions about religions but I don't consider them all to be BS. I mean, I abhor hinduism but you know, there are some devout hindus that are actually good people despite the fact that they are part of the worst religion to ever exist on the planet. and some become better people for being part of a religion. And that's fine. People aren't defined by religion, or shouldn't be. If in your top 5 things that define you, you include a religious/antireligious/such view (including atheism) you must be a very dull person to be around and a very sad one too.
 
al Maun
" Have you seen the one who denies the Recompense?
For that is the one who drives away the orphan
And does not encourage the feeding of the poor.

So woe to those who pray
who are heedless of their prayer

Those who make show [of their deeds]
And withhold [simple] assistance."
 
Rainman05 said:
Yes well, since it's a matter of subjective opinion, being of one religion or more religions or a made-up religion or no religion is all fine and dandy. It's up to people. As a general rule, follow whatever you want to follow, believe whatever you wanna believe in, as long as it makes you want to be a better person by societys' standards.

I have my own opinions about religions but I don't consider them all to be BS. I mean, I abhor hinduism but you know, there are some devout hindus that are actually good people despite the fact that they are part of the worst religion to ever exist on the planet. and some become better people for being part of a religion. And that's fine. People aren't defined by religion, or shouldn't be. If in your top 5 things that define you, you include a religious/antireligious/such view (including atheism) you must be a very dull person to be around and a very sad one too.
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aryans turned their religion to a caste system ,you always deny this fact
 
Rainman05 said:
Yes well, since it's a matter of subjective opinion, being of one religion or more religions or a made-up religion or no religion is all fine and dandy. It's up to people. As a general rule, follow whatever you want to follow, believe whatever you wanna believe in, as long as it makes you want to be a better person by societys' standards.

I have my own opinions about religions but I don't consider them all to be BS. I mean, I abhor hinduism but you know, there are some devout hindus that are actually good people despite the fact that they are part of the worst religion to ever exist on the planet. and some become better people for being part of a religion. And that's fine. People aren't defined by religion, or shouldn't be. If in your top 5 things that define you, you include a religious/antireligious/such view (including atheism) you must be a very dull person to be around and a very sad one too.
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l think nobody claimed the opposite.but you used to be a little fanatic about christian belief ?what changed you,just surprising
 
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Allah is the Judeo-Christian God. It is simply an Arabic translation.
 
Medusa said:
christians usually claim he is not.
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True. A lot of Christians don't realize that Jesus is revered in the Quran, or that Islam is a branch of Judaism -- and thus a sister-religion to Christianity.
 
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