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Give us This Day Our Daily Bread

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From the Catechism:

CCC 2837: "Daily" (epiousios) occurs nowhere else in the New Testament. Taken in a temporal sense, this word is a pedagogical repetition of "this day,"[SUP]128[/SUP] to confirm us in trust "without reservation." Taken in the qualitative sense, it signifies what is necessary for life, and more broadly every good thing sufficient for subsistence.[SUP]129[/SUP] Taken literally (epi-ousios: "super-essential"), it refers directly to the Bread of Life, the Body of Christ, the "medicine of immortality," without which we have no life within us.[SUP]130[/SUP] Finally in this connection, its heavenly meaning is evident: "this day" is the Day of the Lord, the day of the feast of the kingdom, anticipated in the Eucharist that is already the foretaste of the kingdom to come. For this reason it is fitting for the Eucharistic liturgy to be celebrated each day.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The seven petitions

I'd recommend looking at the Catechism for a very deep reading on the Lord's Prayer, but I find this to be quite interesting. Do you ever really think of what you say when you say this phrase when praying the Lord's Prayer?
 
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You shouldn't forget to thank all the people who grew the grain, harvested it, processed it, baked it, shipped it, sold it, and invented and built the tools and machines to do all that. Those are the people you rely on every day in order to eat.
 
Paschendale said:
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You shouldn't forget to thank all the people who grew the grain, harvested it, processed it, baked it, shipped it, sold it, and invented and built the tools and machines to do all that. Those are the people you rely on every day in order to eat.
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That's why I pay them, but ultimately food does come from God.
 
TheNextEra said:
Who is this "You people" you are referring to?
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Those of you who feel the need to attack Christian beliefs and praxis whenever possible.
 
Paleocon said:
Those of you who feel the need to attack Christian beliefs and praxis whenever possible.
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Hey you attack MY beliefs when you say YOUR god did it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Hey you attack MY beliefs when you say YOUR god did it.
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No we didn't. Attacking your beliefs would be if you were, say, a Mormon and were giving thanks to a God and we came and said "ha your god isn't real he's just a fake exalted man from another planet, our true God is eternal and unchanging", or something else obstructionary like that.
 
Paleocon said:
No we didn't. Attacking your beliefs would be if you were, say, a Mormon and were giving thanks to a God and we came and said "ha your god isn't real he's just a fake exalted man from another planet, our true God is eternal and unchanging", or something else obstructionary like that.
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Sorry but by saying YOUR god provides the food you are attacking my beliefs. I said plants provide the food. Deal with it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Hey you attack MY beliefs when you say YOUR god did it.
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But yours is a denial of a belief or disbelief, atheism is not a philosophy or belief system. By definition you would have no religious beliefs to attack. That which does not exist can not be attacked can it?
 
gilbertc1908 said:
But yours is a denial of a belief or disbelief, atheism is not a philosophy or belief system. By definition you would have no religious beliefs to attack. That which does not exist can not be attacked can it?
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A belief that there is no God is just that, a belief. Atheism is not a denial of belief or disbelief. It is a denial of God. Atheism = No deity.

.... Plants come from God, I believe.
 
Cable said:
A belief that there is no God is just that, a belief. Atheism is not a denial of belief or disbelief. It is a denial of God. Atheism = No deity.

.... Plants come from God, I believe.
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Wrong atheism is not a denial of god. It is just an inability to accept the claim of god. There is no way to deny that which has not been satisfactorily established to exist.
 
marduc said:
Wrong atheism is not a denial of god. It is just an inability to accept the claim of god. There is no way to deny that which has not been satisfactorily established to exist.
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It isn't clear by your statement what is meant by "inability to accept the claim of god." I will assume you mean to accept the existence of God.
If something isn't satisfactorily established then one can believe that it does not exist. Take bigfoot for example. Many do not feel there is enough supporting evidence to say bigfoot exists. So they believe that they do not exist.
If one turns up, then there belief will have been wrong. If one never turns up, then their belief is probably accurate.
But this is really off topic. We could start a thread on this. I would be interested to hear any arguments regarding whether atheism is a belief or not. In my mind it surely is a belief, as I understand the strict definitions of atheism and belief.
 
The fact is, those who believe in a Creator God believe all that is, all that has evolved over the eons, all that can be, and all that is profitable and beneficial to all living things was made possible by that Creator God. Whether he spoke and it immediately appeared or whether it evolved or requires participation by the plants and creatures on Earth is irrelevant. The believer believes that God made it possible, and therefore it is proper and good to petition that same God to help us acquire our daily bread and to thank him when we have it.

This belief takes absolutely nothing away from the non-believer, imposes no requirements or contribution or participation by the non-believer of any kind, nor violates the rights of the non-believer in any way. All that is required of the non-believer is his non-interference.

So why do some non-believers feel compelled to stampede into threads like this? Such threads attract them like fruit flies or ants to a picnic. And they simply cannot contain themselves and resist saying derogatory, hateful, insulting things about believers and their beliefs. This suggests to me either 1) they are terrified of the very concept that there might be a God - or - 2) they are just generally hateful people who get their jollies by putting down others which makes them bullies and defective people of sorts.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The fact is, those who believe in a Creator God believe all that is, all that has evolved over the eons, all that can be, and all that is profitable and beneficial to all living things was made possible by that Creator God. Whether he spoke and it immediately appeared or whether it evolved or requires participation by the plants and creatures on Earth is irrelevant. The believer believes that God made it possible, and therefore it is proper and good to petition that same God to help us acquire our daily bread and to thank him when we have it.

This belief takes absolutely nothing away from the non-believer, imposes no requirements or contribution or participation by the non-believer of any kind, nor violates the rights of the non-believer in any way. All that is required of the non-believer is his non-interference.

So why do some non-believers feel compelled to stampede into threads like this? Such threads attract them like fruit flies or ants to a picnic. And they simply cannot contain themselves and resist saying derogatory, hateful, insulting things about believers and their beliefs. This suggests to me either 1) they are terrified of the very concept that there might be a God - or - 2) they are just generally hateful people who get their jollies by putting down others which makes them bullies and defective people of sorts.
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And the thread has been totally derailed because of it.
 
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