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Would Jesus teach catholicism

Monserrat said:
At the feast of booths Jesus tells the Jews to judge but do so with right judgment John7:24. The overused and way too often misunderstood phrase from Matt. 7 wasn't Jesus' way of telling others never to judge but rather a warning to look at yourself and your own faults first before doing so, it was an example of "wrong" judgment.
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Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
Ikari said:
Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.
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That's the woman who was about to be stoned, whom I told you about, whom Jesus told to go and sin no more.
 
phattonez said:
The teacher of Jesus' truth who have been consistently wrong about the parousia? Jesus is pretty lame, then, if He doesn't know the truth.
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1750 years of false teachings had to be undone--the first 80 years out of error filled trinity translations. The result some errors--but have been corrected. So have these by the JW teachers--Daniel 12:4)
 
kjw47 said:
1750 years of false teachings had to be undone--the first 80 years out of error filled trinity translations. The result some errors--but have been corrected. So have these by the JW teachers--Daniel 12:4)
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More like 2000 years of biblical teachings mixed in with a few less than perfect and sometimes downright nasty individuals but God knows we're not perfect and his church shouldn't be held to a higher standard then what God himself acknowledges in all of humanity including some of his chosen individuals who haven't always acted in a just and righteous manner. The Catholic Church dates back to Christ since he established it with Peter and early Christians recognize this as well by consistently acknowledging the authority of the bishop of Rome.
 
Monserrat said:
More like 2000 years of biblical teachings mixed in with a few less than perfect and sometimes downright nasty individuals but God knows we're not perfect and his church shouldn't be held to a higher standard then what God himself acknowledges in all of humanity including some of his chosen individuals who haven't always acted in a just and righteous manner. The Catholic Church dates back to Christ since he established it with Peter and early Christians recognize this as well by consistently acknowledging the authority of the bishop of Rome.
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That's what Catholicism tells you---but facts prove the opposite. They cannot even understand simple bible milk--let alone any meat. for example---Gods word clearly teaches not to call a man( mortal) Father in a spiritual sense---yet the pope has elevated himself into Gods position--holy Father. Far removed from God.


Which of the following applys--a serious lack of faith in God--or fear of men more than God to surround ones self with an army of swiss killers---let me see that Jesus.
 
With all due respect, I think it's fair to say that Jehovah Witnesses' interpretations of the Bible are often at odds with both mainstream Protestant and Catholic Christianity.
 
kjw47 said:
That's what Catholicism tells you---but facts prove the opposite. They cannot even understand simple bible milk--let alone any meat. for example---Gods word clearly teaches not to call a man( mortal) Father in a spiritual sense---yet the pope has elevated himself into Gods position--holy Father. Far removed from God.


Which of the following applys--a serious lack of faith in God--or fear of men more than God to surround ones self with an army of swiss killers---let me see that Jesus.
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"There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church."
Bishop Fulton Sheen
 
kjw47 said:
That's what Catholicism tells you---but facts prove the opposite. They cannot even understand simple bible milk--let alone any meat. for example---Gods word clearly teaches not to call a man( mortal) Father in a spiritual sense---yet the pope has elevated himself into Gods position--holy Father. Far removed from God.


Which of the following applys--a serious lack of faith in God--or fear of men more than God to surround ones self with an army of swiss killers---let me see that Jesus.
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No that's what the facts tell me after over a decade of studying Catholicism and early Christianity. God calls men father in the bible so no it's not far removed from God when he refers to individuals as father, so do the apostles, there's plenty of examples of it in the bible. The only place that Jesus warns against it is when he very specifically is referring to the the pharisees about their hypocrisy but in those passages he still acknowledges the truth of their teaching and tells his followers to still listen to them to do what they say but not what they do.

Jesus left us with a Church, if you want to see Jesus that best way is through his Church.
 
kjw47 said:
That's what Catholicism tells you---but facts prove the opposite. They cannot even understand simple bible milk--let alone any meat. for example---Gods word clearly teaches not to call a man( mortal) Father in a spiritual sense---yet the pope has elevated himself into Gods position--holy Father. Far removed from God.


Which of the following applys--a serious lack of faith in God--or fear of men more than God to surround ones self with an army of swiss killers---let me see that Jesus.
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I recommend that rather than look at Catholic attack websites to learn what the Catholic Church teaches, that you go straight to the horse's mouth. If you are really interested and don't want just a ton of falsehoods and slander, talk to either me or Monserrat. Or even go to Catholic Answers. If you see an attack on the Catholic church, look it up on Catholic Answers and see the response. The Church that is 2000 years old is much more intellectually grounded than attack websites make it seem.
 
kjw47 said:
That's what Catholicism tells you---but facts prove the opposite. They cannot even understand simple bible milk--let alone any meat. for example---Gods word clearly teaches not to call a man( mortal) Father in a spiritual sense---yet the pope has elevated himself into Gods position--holy Father. Far removed from God.


Which of the following applys--a serious lack of faith in God--or fear of men more than God to surround ones self with an army of swiss killers---let me see that Jesus.
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Oh, look, another ignorant papist who understands nothing, and criticizes everything.

You lose.
 
I think you meant anti-papist?
 
phattonez said:
I recommend that rather than look at Catholic attack websites to learn what the Catholic Church teaches, that you go straight to the horse's mouth. If you are really interested and don't want just a ton of falsehoods and slander, talk to either me or Monserrat. Or even go to Catholic Answers. If you see an attack on the Catholic church, look it up on Catholic Answers and see the response. The Church that is 2000 years old is much more intellectually grounded than attack websites make it seem.
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Would a religion that had Jesus as its head refuse to let the flock read the bible for themselves--no. for nearly 1000 years after the councils, no one was allowed to read the bible but clergy. By the time it finally was translated into English, few had a clue as to truth. Protestants broke off because they were allowed to read the bible, they could see Many errors on the part of Catholicism, unfortunately the bibles were translated by Catholicism translators. Many errors entered with wording to fit false council teachings.
Like the major error of a trinity god--Even the New Catholic encyclopedia( 1967) volume XIV pg 299-- states---- The formulation one god in three persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith prior to the end of the 4th century.
 
kjw47 said:
Would a religion that had Jesus as its head refuse to let the flock read the bible for themselves--no. for nearly 1000 years after the councils, no one was allowed to read the bible but clergy. By the time it finally was translated into English, few had a clue as to truth. Protestants broke off because they were allowed to read the bible, they could see Many errors on the part of Catholicism, unfortunately the bibles were translated by Catholicism translators. Many errors entered with wording to fit false council teachings.
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Sigh. You are sinning against charity by continuing to bring up this garbage from Catholic attack websites that is easily refuted. Even if people could read back then (mostly they couldn't), books were incredibly expensive as they had to be transcribed individually by hand. It wouldn't have been practical to have the laity to each read for themselves. It was IMPOSSIBLE at the time. The Church has never discouraged reading for yourself; actually it's been quite the opposite.

You may think I'm being blunt, but I'm calling it out for what it is. What you are doing is a sin against charity. If you are actively seeking the truth, then go to a Catholic website and see what we actually believe.

Like the major error of a trinity god--Even the New Catholic encyclopedia( 1967) volume XIV pg 299-- states---- The formulation one god in three persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith prior to the end of the 4th century.
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From now on I will simply link the sources that you should read if you want to get past these inane anti-Catholic attacks and see the truth of what we Catholics actually believe and the true history.

The Trinity | Catholic Answers
 
nota bene said:
I think you meant anti-papist?
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No I do not.

Papist is a slur against Catholics.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papist
Papist is a (usually disparaging) term or an anti-Catholic slur, referring to the Roman Catholic Church, its teachings, ...
 
phattonez said:
Sigh. You are sinning against charity by continuing to bring up this garbage from Catholic attack websites that is easily refuted. Even if people could read back then (mostly they couldn't), books were incredibly expensive as they had to be transcribed individually by hand. It wouldn't have been practical to have the laity to each read for themselves. It was IMPOSSIBLE at the time. The Church has never discouraged reading for yourself; actually it's been quite the opposite.

You may think I'm being blunt, but I'm calling it out for what it is. What you are doing is a sin against charity. If you are actively seeking the truth, then go to a Catholic website and see what we actually believe.



From now on I will simply link the sources that you should read if you want to get past these inane anti-Catholic attacks and see the truth of what we Catholics actually believe and the true history.

The Trinity | Catholic Answers
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I don't need that sight--I believe Jesus--John 17:1-6--Jesus while praying to his Father calls him the only true God--verse 6 = YHWH(Jehovah) -- Jesus teaches---The Father is greater than I--Jesus teaches--He has a God his Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12--- You choose who you believe, I choose to believe Jesus.
 
There are millions of mainstream Christians who don't share the views of your 144-year old denomination but who nevertheless are followers of Christ. What matters is who unites us rather than what separates us.
 
nota bene said:
There are millions of mainstream Christians who don't share the views of your 144-year old denomination but who nevertheless are followers of Christ. What matters is who unites us rather than what separates us.
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Yes. Total win.
 
nota bene said:
There are millions of mainstream Christians who don't share the views of your 144-year old denomination but who nevertheless are followers of Christ. What matters is who unites us rather than what separates us.
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A follower of Christ----- learns every teaching--applys every teaching--becomes a fisher of men. Serves Jesus' God, the Father-YHWH(Jehovah)-John 20:17, rev 3:12---
Trinity religions are separated-1 corinthians 1:10)


Not a single trinity religion on the planet teaches this ultra important truth from Jesus---

Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added ( sustenance, covering, spirituality) Matt 6:33)

So what may appear to be is not always so--even Jesus saw that coming--Matt 7:21-23--- these were told they were Christian.

Trinity religions allow the govts of men to separate them--so far as to stand on both sides of a war( rev war, civil war,ww1,ww2,etc) and blow each others heads off--- one needs to throw Jesus' teachings in the garbage to accomplish that. Lip service proves very little--actions prove the majority.
 
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kjw47 said:
I don't need that sight--I believe Jesus--John 17:1-6--Jesus while praying to his Father calls him the only true God--verse 6 = YHWH(Jehovah) -- Jesus teaches---The Father is greater than I--Jesus teaches--He has a God his Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12--- You choose who you believe, I choose to believe Jesus.
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You don't need the site, and neither do you even respond to it. Congratulations, you have claimed superiority through ignorance.
 
kjw47 said:
Trinity religions allow the govts of men to separate them--so far as to stand on both sides of a war( rev war, civil war,ww1,ww2,etc) and blow each others heads off--- one needs to throw Jesus' teachings in the garbage to accomplish that. Lip service proves very little--actions prove the majority.
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I'm really not quite sure what you're trying to say here in "actions prove the majority," but this is bizarre and troubling to me.
 
kjw47 said:
A follower of Christ----- learns every teaching--applys every teaching--becomes a fisher of men. Serves Jesus' God, the Father-YHWH(Jehovah)-John 20:17, rev 3:12---
Trinity religions are separated-1 corinthians 1:10)


Not a single trinity religion on the planet teaches this ultra important truth from Jesus---

Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these other things will be added ( sustenance, covering, spirituality) Matt 6:33)

So what may appear to be is not always so--even Jesus saw that coming--Matt 7:21-23--- these were told they were Christian.

Trinity religions allow the govts of men to separate them--so far as to stand on both sides of a war( rev war, civil war,ww1,ww2,etc) and blow each others heads off--- one needs to throw Jesus' teachings in the garbage to accomplish that. Lip service proves very little--actions prove the majority.
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1 cor.1:10 is a perfect description of the type of derision caused by those who have abandoned God's Church. The Jehovahs witnesses didn't even exist until about 150 years ago although some of your theology dates back to some very old heresies and if Charles Russell did his homework he would have seen if for what it was, false teachings that were identified and put to rest over a thousand years ago. He didn't though, he relied upon his own word and not God's and the former is what you are following, Russells teachings.

The Catholic Church follows the bible in the way God intended his word to be acknowledged and understood and besides having the word of God to back this up we have history and are the only ones who could date back to the Church established by Christ, all others including the Jehovah's witnesses are just something new something different where the followers go by their own interpretation of the word of God and are under the delusion that what they see as correct must then be correct. Logic tells us otherwise, those 33,000 denominations are following their own word, that's the only way they could each come to a different conclusion because God certainly isn't telling them each different things.
 
Monserrat said:
1 cor.1:10 is a perfect description of the type of derision caused by those who have abandoned God's Church. The Jehovahs witnesses didn't even exist until about 150 years ago although some of your theology dates back to some very old heresies and if Charles Russell did his homework he would have seen if for what it was, false teachings that were identified and put to rest over a thousand years ago. He didn't though, he relied upon his own word and not God's and the former is what you are following, Russells teachings.

The Catholic Church follows the bible in the way God intended his word to be acknowledged and understood and besides having the word of God to back this up we have history and are the only ones who could date back to the Church established by Christ, all others including the Jehovah's witnesses are just something new something different where the followers go by their own interpretation of the word of God and are under the delusion that what they see as correct must then be correct. Logic tells us otherwise, those 33,000 denominations are following their own word, that's the only way they could each come to a different conclusion because God certainly isn't telling them each different things.
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The legitimacy of JW falls somewhere between the Moonies and Scientology - none of them are real religions from what I have seen.
 
One of the aspects of Jehovah's Witnesses that I find troubling is the end-times forecasting. Every time Jesus was asked about this, He said He didn't know, that only the Father knows. Why fixate on this?
 
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