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Would Jesus teach catholicism

Goshin said:
Ah. And I take it you would be one of the Blessed Few following the One True Christianity?
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They are not that hard to find--one just has to listen to Jesus. Also an important clue at--Daniel 12:4--- certain truths( prophecy) were hidden until these last days, and then would become abundant.--- That means error teachings entered, because no mortal knew certain truths until these last days--now the one making the corrections to these errors are the ones that will prove to be right in the end.
 
kjw47 said:
They are not that hard to find--one just has to listen to Jesus. Also an important clue at--Daniel 12:4--- certain truths( prophecy) were hidden until these last days, and then would become abundant.--- That means error teachings entered, because no mortal knew certain truths until these last days--now the one making the corrections to these errors are the ones that will prove to be right in the end.
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Does this One True Church have a name?
 
Don't know what religion these girls are but to me they have Christ's spirit:

 
kjw47 said:

I believe Catholicism , with its showy display( statues, fancy garments, etc) but its historical practices proved where they came from.
Crusades--would Jesus lor satan teach to go kill muslims and attack Jewish settlements along the way for supplies, leaving none alive. under the sign of the pagan cross.
refuse to let the flocks read the bible for themselves for about 1000 years after the councils. By then no one had a clue.
inquisitions-- would Jesus or satan tell Christians to burn humans alive for heresy if they did not believe or contradicted clergy--or trying to translate Gods word so people could read it for themselves--or being a witch.
the rev war-the civil war-ww1,ww2--brothers in Christ blowing each others heads off in hatred. Jesus or satan?
staues, icons showy display--100% guarantee= centuries ago at those councils many false teachings came to be called truth--never fixed by a trinity religion( branches of the tree)--many pagan practices were allowed as well--especially in the two major celebrations to Jesus.
Catholicism, branches = 1 Corinthians 1:10)

that leaves little choice--the best path one can choose to becoming a true follower of Christ---God said--This is my son the beloved, whom I have approved--LISTEN TO (HIM)---Learn Jesus truths and apply them daily--you will be doing well.
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I believe that, for the most part. Me and the wife go to Catholic Church, but I really want to be a born again Christian because they follow the Bible more closely. So we do our best, keep going to Catholic Church but just read the free down
 
Goshin said:
Does this One True Church have a name?
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The only teachers I have ever found that teach Jesus' truths are the Jehovah witnesses.
 
RamFel said:
I believe that, for the most part. Me and the wife go to Catholic Church, but I really want to be a born again Christian because they follow the Bible more closely. So we do our best, keep going to Catholic Church but just read the free down
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If a religion doesnt have Jesus leading it---it is a false religion and God warned all about being apart of that--he said---GET OUT OF HER-- because all found supporting them will be held accountable for all of their sin which has amassed to the heavens.
 
kjw47 said:

I believe Catholicism , with its showy display( statues, fancy garments, etc) but its historical practices proved where they came from.
Crusades--would Jesus lor satan teach to go kill muslims and attack Jewish settlements along the way for supplies, leaving none alive. under the sign of the pagan cross.
refuse to let the flocks read the bible for themselves for about 1000 years after the councils. By then no one had a clue.
inquisitions-- would Jesus or satan tell Christians to burn humans alive for heresy if they did not believe or contradicted clergy--or trying to translate Gods word so people could read it for themselves--or being a witch.
the rev war-the civil war-ww1,ww2--brothers in Christ blowing each others heads off in hatred. Jesus or satan?
staues, icons showy display--100% guarantee= centuries ago at those councils many false teachings came to be called truth--never fixed by a trinity religion( branches of the tree)--many pagan practices were allowed as well--especially in the two major celebrations to Jesus.
Catholicism, branches = 1 Corinthians 1:10)

that leaves little choice--the best path one can choose to becoming a true follower of Christ---God said--This is my son the beloved, whom I have approved--LISTEN TO (HIM)---Learn Jesus truths and apply them daily--you will be doing well.
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If Jesus were ever really real, I doubt that he would teach any specific organized religion. Chances are, he'd likely not take so kindly to organized religion; particularly our modern variant thereof.
 
Ikari said:
If Jesus were ever really real, I doubt that he would teach any specific organized religion. Chances are, he'd likely not take so kindly to organized religion; particularly our modern variant thereof.
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Why did the New Testament apostles organize a church then? There are many benefits to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. First it allows those with authority to do the ordinances necessary for salvation such as baptism, and laying on hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. The organization has so many benefits in synergy of acts of service such as the LDS welfare and humanitarian programs. It greatly enhances individual growth as you serve in callings, strengthening those who need strengthening, and youth programs. It makes it easier being around people who share your values and goals in life. I see no downside as far as the LDS religion is concerned and many strengths. All volunteer, no paid ministry, the leadership and all callings are people who are called and do not choose their callings and high percentage very good people. Organized religion when the Holy Ghost is guiding the leadership is great. Organized religion strictly by man, maybe not so great.
 
laska said:
Why did the New Testament apostles organize a church then? There are many benefits to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. First it allows those with authority to do the ordinances necessary for salvation such as baptism, and laying on hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. The organization has so many benefits in synergy of acts of service such as the LDS welfare and humanitarian programs. It greatly enhances individual growth as you serve in callings, strengthening those who need strengthening, and youth programs. It makes it easier being around people who share your values and goals in life. I see no downside as far as the LDS religion is concerned and many strengths. All volunteer, no paid ministry, the leadership and all callings are people who are called and do not choose their callings and high percentage very good people. Organized religion when the Holy Ghost is guiding the leadership is great. Organized religion strictly by man, maybe not so great.
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Sure, LDS has some things going for it, but the book loses all credibility on the witnesses page where half of them are from two families. Not exactly a vote of confidence
 
Sean.McDonnell said:
Sure, LDS has some things going for it, but the book loses all credibility on the witnesses page where half of them are from two families. Not exactly a vote of confidence
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There are five families represented in the three and eight witnesses pages not just two-Cowdery, Page, Smith, Whitmer, Harris. There is no evidence that any of the eleven witnesses ever denied their testimonies, much evidence that many of them confirmed their testimonies throughout their lives, some of whom went out of their way on their death beds to confirm their testimonies as newspapers of the time documented. There is also quite a bit of evidence from non LDS sources on the honesty and high character on many of the witnesses. Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum gave their blood for their testimonies. All together pretty powerful imho. The key to learning whether it is true or not though is personal revelation: Moroni 10:4 https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10?lang=eng.

Circumstantial Evidence of the Book of Mormon: The Testimony of the Witnesses
 
laska said:
There are five families represented in the three and eight witnesses pages not just two-Cowdery, Page, Smith, Whitmer, Harris. There is no evidence that any of the eleven witnesses ever denied their testimonies, much evidence that many of them confirmed their testimonies throughout their lives, some of whom went out of their way on their death beds to confirm their testimonies as newspapers of the time documented. There is also quite a bit of evidence from non LDS sources on the honesty and high character on many of the witnesses. Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum gave their blood for their testimonies. All together pretty powerful imho. The key to learning whether it is true or not is Moroni 10:4 https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/10?lang=eng.

Circumstantial Evidence of the Book of Mormon: The Testimony of the Witnesses
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I respect you for knowing your stuff, but I'm a bona-fide atheist so i'll pass on the reading. Not to take away from your points. I respect someone who actually knows their religion. Its a lot better than people who claim to be religious and haven't read the religious text.
 
laska said:
Why did the New Testament apostles organize a church then?
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Because the bible was assembled by church leaders. The books were chosen, of course they're going to put things in there about organizing churches. Kinda self-fulfilling prophecy when you write the propaganda.
 
Rainman05 said:
You know what, fine, you all win. You and the people like you who have absolutely no clue and no knowledge on the topic and keep making up stuff that has no relationship with reality win. It's not like it matters to me. People have been arguing about religion since the time people managed to write in cuneiform. We're not going to solve this topic in this subforum and I'm done trying to explain basic concepts to adults who should have known better by now.

I always fall in the trap of getting this god forsaken subforum when it's late and I'm tired and I trick myself in thinking "it won't be that bad, there's no other interesting topic on, might as well join here" and lo and behold, the omnishambles possesses someone and makes an appearance.

EDIT: The golden rule that I keep having to repeat and that would make all these discussions null and void is this "believe what you want to believe in as long as that makes you want to be a better person"... I've said this time and time again in every discussion i've had that bordered on a religious topic and it's getting bothersome to keep having to repeat it. Believe that Christ didn't teach Christianity. Believe that he couldn't be this or that. Believe in the flying spaghetti monster for all I care. If that makes you want to be a better person, fine. If not, why have a belief system in place?

It's so... irritating. One can't have a proper discussion on the topic and so I'm ending this.
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Don't take it so hard. Remember, each of us is on our own journey, and see things through our eyes, based on personal experiences. Also, everyone goes through changes over time so that who we are now is not who we will be, later on. No one hits the ground running, and knows everything.

As you admit, these arguments go back through antiquity. None of us holds claim to the complete truth. Be humble knowing this.

What matters most is that the dialog continues, so everyone has a chance to hear, learn, and awaken!
 
ChezC3 said:
When nonsense like this comes around I can't help but hear the words "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" ring loud in my ears...

and I smile...

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Lol, how non-ecumenical of you, yet totally adherent to Catholic dogma.
 
Gardener said:
Well, when He said in Matthew 18:20 "whenever two or three gather in my name, there I am with them", I really don't think He was envisioning a massive bureaucracy. Especially considering the way He railed against the pharisees and explained that prayer should be conducted behind closed doors in private, I would say His views were almost diametrically opposed to that which the Catholic church represents. He emphasized a close,one on one relationship with God,decentralization and lack of pomp and ceremony. That sure doesn't sound like the Catholic church to me.
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Did Jesus follow the stipulations of the Jewish law and its religious observances? Is that just pomp and ceremony?
Did Jesus grant the power to loose and to bind only to apostles? How was their authority passed? Is that just pomp and ceremony?
 
RamFel said:
I believe that, for the most part. Me and the wife go to Catholic Church, but I really want to be a born again Christian because they follow the Bible more closely. So we do our best, keep going to Catholic Church but just read the free down
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Sigh, do not let the abomination that is most local Catholic parishes persuade you away. Read anything by Scott Hahn and tell me that the Church does not follow the Bible closely enough.

Actually here is a Youtube video by Scott Hahn about the papacy and papal infallibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCsxM45YwDk

I'm not looking to get into a debate on this subject, though, just showing that the misconception that Catholics are not faithful to the Bible is just that, misconception. If you have qualms come talk to me, I'll show you what the Church actually believes and where to find justification for it if you really are confused.

By the way, who is Scott Hahn? He is a former Protestant minister who after years of study converted to Catholicism because he became convinced of the truth of it. This short story of his conversion would probably be well-suited for you right now.
The Scott Hahn Conversion Story
 
kjw47 said:
The only teachers I have ever found that teach Jesus' truths are the Jehovah witnesses.
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The teacher of Jesus' truth who have been consistently wrong about the parousia? Jesus is pretty lame, then, if He doesn't know the truth.
 
Ikari said:
If Jesus were ever really real, I doubt that he would teach any specific organized religion. Chances are, he'd likely not take so kindly to organized religion; particularly our modern variant thereof.
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And you base that on what? Nothing but your own misconceptions? Presumably.
 
phattonez said:
And you base that on what? Nothing but your own misconceptions? Presumably.
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The fact that he taught nonjudgmental peace, acceptance, and good will and the organized religions don't have an string track record keeping that ideal. Particularly not the Catholic Church.
 
Ikari said:
The fact that he taught nonjudgmental peace, acceptance, and good will and the organized religions don't have an string track record keeping that ideal. Particularly not the Catholic Church.
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Tell me, was Jesus being nonjudgmental when he told this to the woman accused of adultery? “Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again.”

And let's look at one of the many examples of how he talks about the Pharisees: Matthew 12: "34 You brood of vipers! how can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. 36 I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; 37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Yeah, not exactly nonjudgmental.
 
phattonez said:
Tell me, was Jesus being nonjudgmental when he told this to the woman accused of adultery? “Neither do I condemn you; go, and do not sin again.”

And let's look at one of the many examples of how he talks about the Pharisees: Matthew 12: "34 You brood of vipers! how can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. 36 I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; 37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Yeah, not exactly nonjudgmental.
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Is he not god? Is it not gods place to judge? Humans though....judge not lest ye be judged, love thy neighbor, treat others as you would like to be treated, and whatnot....yes?

Or do you fancy yourself a god?
 
phattonez said:
Lol, how non-ecumenical of you, yet totally adherent to Catholic dogma.
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I believe we must seek truth wherever it may be found. Then we must bring it home to Mother...

I'm not one to allow people to talk about my momma...
 
Ikari said:
Is he not god? Is it not gods place to judge? Humans though....judge not lest ye be judged, love thy neighbor, treat others as you would like to be treated, and whatnot....yes?

Or do you fancy yourself a god?
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At the feast of booths Jesus tells the Jews to judge but do so with right judgment John7:24. The overused and way too often misunderstood phrase from Matt. 7 wasn't Jesus' way of telling others never to judge but rather a warning to look at yourself and your own faults first before doing so, it was an example of "wrong" judgment.
 
RamFel said:
I believe that, for the most part. Me and the wife go to Catholic Church, but I really want to be a born again Christian because they follow the Bible more closely.
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You can be both. There are many "charismatic Catholics."
 
Manny said:
Don't take it so hard. Remember, each of us is on our own journey, and see things through our eyes, based on personal experiences. Also, everyone goes through changes over time so that who we are now is not who we will be, later on. No one hits the ground running, and knows everything.

As you admit, these arguments go back through antiquity. None of us holds claim to the complete truth. Be humble knowing this.

What matters most is that the dialog continues, so everyone has a chance to hear, learn, and awaken!
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Yes, be humble, recognizing that you see only in part.

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." 1 Corinthians 13:12
 
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