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Hebrew Calendar testifies of the prophet Joseph Smith

Once more, to summarize the issues covered in this thread.

Nothing in the numerology of the Hebrew calendar has anything to do with Smith.

Smith and Young together in stages plagiarized Freemasonry to come up with their temple rites.

The drama of the building of the Temple Of Solomon in the Masonic rites has simply been replaced with the drama of the Fall Of Adam by Young. At this stage Smith had unlikely come up with a temple drama yet. Smith only knew the Masonic signs and tokens enough to adopt them to his own temple rites. And as Smith was unfamiliar with the Masonic words, he substituted other names from the Bible for his own temple words.

Smith became unpopular due to his philandering with numerous married and single women, old and young.

Smith was arrested and assassinated by the Carthage ILL militia for that and political reasons incident to Smith's indictment for 1st Amendment violations of an expository newspaper's rights to print. Smith should have left Illinois while he had the chance after committing this felony.

What is left of the sheeple who still follow Smith and Young are completely blind and don't want to know any of the above facts.

Personal testimony of faith is irrelevant to any philosophical inquiry into the validity of any religious organization.

Either you have seen God(s) face to face and heard His/Her/Their voice(s) like Moses and like St. Peter and St. Paul, or you have not.

I am not aware of anyone making such a claim of knowledge.

No one with such knowledge would make such a claim either because they already know nobody else would believe them.

This whole thread is simply an attempt to deceive others. It is a feeble effort at affirmations of the consequent.
 
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Back to the prophecies in Daniel. The temple had been destroyed by the Babylonians and Daniel was part of the group of Jews that were in exile in Babylon. At the temple there was a daily sacrifice in the morning and evening of a lamb and Daniel and all faithful Jews likely wondered when would there be a return of the temple and the daily sacrifice. In this context of wondering when the return of the daily sacrifice would happen, Daniel was shown that the "Messiah" would be "pierced" to atone for sin and gives us a hint on the exact year this would happen and that the "sanctuary would be cleansed" on another particular date. Isaac Newton and many others believed the evidence in the text gives those dates as 33 AD and 1844 AD. The Seventh Day Adventists were so convinced that 1844 AD was the date of the "sanctuary would be cleansed" which they interpreted to mean the end of the world at the Second Coming where the world is to be cleansed by fire that many sold all their possessions expecting the world to end. But what if the daily sacrifice is symbolic of Jesus' Atonement in 33 AD, representing the sacrifice in the meridian of the Hebrew day, ie at sunrise, and the evening sacrifice being symbolic of the "sanctuary being cleansed" ie the church being cleansed in the latter days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints claims Christ's New testament church fell into total apostasy after the apostles leave the scene and the gentiles take over. That basically instead of real authorized apostles transferring priesthood authority to the next generation, that because of rampant apostasy the apostles were told not to transfer this authority and the righteous, like Christ, were killed and the majority that remained were those who embraced false Christian teachers. So what was left was a bunch of Christian sects with no real authority, no Holy ghost really guiding them. It was not until the heavens restored the priesthood to modern day prophets, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, who received the Melchizadech priesthood from Peter, James, and John themselves, that there was any church authority on the earth. Now The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was officially organized on April 6, 1830, which is on Christ's birthdate(He was born on April 6, 1 BC which was Passover). But the restoration of Christ's church was not complete until June 27, 1844 when Joseph and Hyrum sealed their missions with their blood. So the 1844 date in Daniel for the "cleansing of the sanctuary" ie the cleansing of the church fits perfectly with the martydom of these two brothers. But this martydom date is tied even further to the Daniel prophecy because June 27 in 1844 was also one of four Day of Atonement on the Hebrew Calendar. And it was on the Day of Atonement that the "sanctuary was cleansed" in ancient Israel. On this date a bull and a goat were sacrificed, and the blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat in the holy of holies once upward and seven times downward for a total of eight. That Joseph and Hyrum were martyred on a Day of Atonement, and each were shot four times for a total of eight wounds, is a bulls eye. In scripture, the bull is symbolic of the tribe of Joseph and in the Book of Enoch the white bull is symbolic of the latter day kingdom of God. Daniel also prophesies in the latter days that God would set up His kingdom and that it will never be destroyed and in the end it will be the only kingdom remaining as all earthly kingdoms will be destroyed except this latter day kingdom of God. And it will rule forever. It is my belief the bull that was sacrificed is symbolic of Joseph smith, the goat Hyrum, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints the latter day kingdom of God.
 
laska said:
Back to the prophecies in Daniel. The temple had been destroyed by the Babylonians and Daniel was part of the group of Jews that were in exile in Babylon. At the temple there was a daily sacrifice in the morning and evening of a lamb and Daniel and all faithful Jews likely wondered when would there be a return of the temple and the daily sacrifice. In this context of wondering when the return of the daily sacrifice would happen, Daniel was shown that the "Messiah" would be "pierced" to atone for sin and gives us a hint on the exact year this would happen and that the "sanctuary would be cleansed" on another particular date. Isaac Newton and many others believed the evidence in the text gives those dates as 33 AD and 1844 AD. The Seventh Day Adventists were so convinced that 1844 AD was the date of the "sanctuary would be cleansed" which they interpreted to mean the end of the world at the Second Coming where the world is to be cleansed by fire that many sold all their possessions expecting the world to end. But what if the daily sacrifice is symbolic of Jesus' Atonement in 33 AD, representing the sacrifice in the meridian of the Hebrew day, ie at sunrise, and the evening sacrifice being symbolic of the "sanctuary being cleansed" ie the church being cleansed in the latter days. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints claims Christ's New testament church fell into total apostasy after the apostles leave the scene and the gentiles take over. That basically instead of real authorized apostles transferring priesthood authority to the next generation, that because of rampant apostasy the apostles were told not to transfer this authority and the righteous, like Christ, were killed and the majority that remained were those who embraced false Christian teachers. So what was left was a bunch of Christian sects with no real authority, no Holy ghost really guiding them. It was not until the heavens restored the priesthood to modern day prophets, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery, who received the Melchizadech priesthood from Peter, James, and John themselves, that there was any church authority on the earth. Now The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was officially organized on April 6, 1830, which is on Christ's birthdate(He was born on April 6, 1 BC which was Passover). But the restoration of Christ's church was not complete until June 27, 1844 when Joseph and Hyrum sealed their missions with their blood. So the 1844 date in Daniel for the "cleansing of the sanctuary" ie the cleansing of the church fits perfectly with the martydom of these two brothers. But this martydom date is tied even further to the Daniel prophecy because June 27 in 1844 was also one of four Day of Atonement on the Hebrew Calendar. And it was on the Day of Atonement that the "sanctuary was cleansed" in ancient Israel. On this date a bull and a goat were sacrificed, and the blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat in the holy of holies once upward and seven times downward for a total of eight. That Joseph and Hyrum were martyred on a Day of Atonement, and each were shot four times for a total of eight wounds, is a bulls eye. In scripture, the bull is symbolic of the tribe of Joseph and in the Book of Enoch the white bull is symbolic of the latter day kingdom of God. Daniel also prophesies in the latter days that God would set up His kingdom and that it will never be destroyed and in the end it will be the only kingdom remaining as all earthly kingdoms will be destroyed except this latter day kingdom of God. And it will rule forever. It is my belief the bull that was sacrificed is symbolic of Joseph smith, the goat Hyrum, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints the latter day kingdom of God.
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Well, it's nice to say xyz, and then proclaim something.. but can you show that is it more than your confirmation bias opinion? The symbols are so loosely interpreted that after 23 pages, I don't see one believable argument that the Hebrew calender had anything to do with Mr Smith.
 
Once more ...

Just let this ridiculous thread die.

It is an embarrassment to the Mormon people who are known for being industrious sheeple who rarely if ever commit any crimes and who other than bothering everyone else about joining their church are not bad neighbors.
 
Riveroaks said:
Trinity was invented by the Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
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Sorry, but I'll have to take exception to that. Besides the scriptures we have the following quotes that predate Nicea.

https://carm.org/early-trinitarian-quotes

Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity. "We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation...[which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."


Excerpts:

If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes (in the link) exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine, and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D. Part of the reason that the Trinity doctrine was not "officially" taught until the time of the Council of Nicea is that Christianity was illegal until shortly before the council. It wasn't really possible for official Christian groups to meet and discuss doctrine. For the most part, they were fearful of making public pronouncements concerning their faith.

God bless!
 
Logicman said:
Sorry, but I'll have to take exception to that. Besides the scriptures we have the following quotes that predate Nicea.

https://carm.org/early-trinitarian-quotes

Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity. "We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation...[which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."


Excerpts:

If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes (in the link) exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine, and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D. Part of the reason that the Trinity doctrine was not "officially" taught until the time of the Council of Nicea is that Christianity was illegal until shortly before the council. It wasn't really possible for official Christian groups to meet and discuss doctrine. For the most part, they were fearful of making public pronouncements concerning their faith.

God bless!
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Well now there are probably at least 4 --

The Almighty Father -

The Lord and Savior Son -

The Holy Spirit Comforter/Paraclete -

And Holy Mary Mother Of Christ.

How can you deify a Son without also deifying his Mother ??
 
Riveroaks said:
Well now there are probably at least 4 --

The Almighty Father -

The Lord and Savior Son -

The Holy Spirit Comforter/Paraclete -

And Holy Mary Mother Of Christ.

How can you deify a Son without also deifying his Mother ??
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If Mary is divine then why does she call God her Savior?

Luke 1:46 And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
 
Riveroaks said:
Jesus is everyone's savior, even the Holy Spirit's.
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I don't see that. The Holy Spirit is God and God doesn't need a savior.

From Acts chapter 5:

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

"You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
 
Logicman said:
I don't see that. The Holy Spirit is God and God doesn't need a savior.

From Acts chapter 5:

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

"You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
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yep you can't save God and that is why the Holy Spirit doesn't need to be saved.
 
Logicman said:
If Mary is divine then why does she call God her Savior?

Luke 1:46 And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
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she isn't praying to marry does no good. Christ and Paul said to pray to no other than God.
so it makes no sense to pray to her or any other saint.
 
Riveroaks said:
Well now there are probably at least 4 --

The Almighty Father -

The Lord and Savior Son -

The Holy Spirit Comforter/Paraclete -

And Holy Mary Mother Of Christ.

How can you deify a Son without also deifying his Mother ??
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The pagans believed in a Triad of gods. They were polytheists. That means they believed in three main gods (Triad) who were completely separate beings. And they ruled over the rest of the gods.
The Trinity is 1 God with three persons-The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit that are equal in essence and nature as One God. And they rule over No other gods as there's only one God. Unlike JW where there are at least two (The God and a god) so the Trinity has less gods then The Watchtower. We have One-The Trinity. And the Bible clearly states in the Trinity, so it's not from "outside pagan religions."
For example, Peter refers to the saints who have been chosen "according to the foreknowledge of God The Father." (1 Peter 1:2) when Jesus made a post resurrection appearance to Thomas, the disciple worshipfully responded by addressing Him, "My Lord and MY GOD." (John 20:28) The Father also said of the Son, "Your throne O God, is forever and ever." In Acts 5:3-4, we are told that lying to the Holy Spirit is equivalent to lying to God. Peter said,"Ananias, why has satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit,,, You have not lied to men but to God."
Besides being called God, each of the three persons are seen on different occasions to possess the attributes of deity. Note the following examples:
All three persons possess the attribute of omnipresence:
The Father (1 Kings 8:27)
The Son (Matthew 28:20)
The Holy Spirit (psalm 139:7)
All three have the attribute of omniscience:
The Father (psalm 147:5)
The Son (John 16:30)
The Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:10)
All three have the attribute of omnipotence:
The Father (Psalm 135:6)
The Son (Matthew 28:18)
The Holy Spirit (Romans 15:19)
Holiness is ascribed to each of the three persons:
The Father (Revelation 15:4)
The Son (Acts 3:14)
The Holy Spirit (Romans 1:4)
Eternity is ascribed to each of the three persons:
The Father (Psalm 90:2)
The Son (Micah 5:2, John 1:4)
The Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14)
Each if the three persons is described as the Truth:
The Father (John 7:28)
The Son (Revelation 3:7)
The Holy Spirit (1 John 5:6)
Each of the three is called Lord (Luke 2:11, Romans 10:12, 2 Corinthians 3:17) each is called Everlasting (Romans 16:26, Hebrews 9:14, Revelation 22:13) each is called Almighty (Genesis 17:1, Romans 15:19, Revelation 1:8) and each is called Powerful (Jeremiah 32:17, Zechariah 4:6, Hebrews 1:3)
Can any one other than God have the Attributes of God?
In addition to having the attributes of deity, each of the three persons were involved in doing the works of deity. For example, all three were involved in the creation of the world:
The Father (Genesis 2:7, Psalm 102:25, 1 Corinthians 8:6)
The Son (John 1:3, Colossians 1;16, Hebrews 1:2)
The Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2, Job 33:4, Psalm 104:30)
They were also involved in the incarnation and resurrection but I won't go into those verses as I think these are good for now.
Also to mention, that the pagans taught the concept of a flood that killed most of humankind and the concept of a messiah like figure named Tammuz who was allegedly resurrected. Are those concepts false just because pagans taught remotely similar accounts?
And if you still don't understand the Trinity, does it mean it's not True? I mean do you think it is possible for human beings to know everything about God? If yes, please explain Isaiah 55:8-9, Romans 11:33, and 1 Corinthians 13:12.
We should not reject a doctrine simply because we cannot fully comprehend it. Especially since it's in the Bible :)
 
There are many ancient religions with triads.

The oldest being Zoroastrianism has a duo however -- Light and Darkness.

Judaism and Islam are actually rather unique in being truly monotheistic.
 
laska said:
Joseph was born on the evening of Dec. 23, 1805. That night was the winter solstice on the Hebrew Calendar. Perfect Symbolism for restoration of the gospel "when darkness would begin to recede and that the light would return to the earth."


Joseph and his brother Hyrum were martyred on June 27, 1844. This one exact date fulfills a prophecy with perfect precision in the Book of Daniel. In the opening scenes of the Book of Mormon Lehi's family escaped the coming destruction of Israel by King Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon. Many Jews were taken back to Babylon as captives after the siege of Jerusalem in 589 B.C. This same King Nebuchadnezzar II would later have a dream that the Jewish captive Daniel would interpret for him. You can read the entire dream in Daniel Ch. 2. The following is the interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar II's dream:


44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.-Daniel 44-45


What is this future Kingdom that God would set up on the earth?

In a prophecy given to Joseph Smith D&C 65: 1-6

1 Hearken, and lo, a voice as of one sent down from on high, who is mighty and powerful, whose going forth is unto the ends of the earth, yea, whose voice is unto men—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
2 The keys of the kingdom of God are committed unto man on the earth, and from thence shall the gospel roll forth unto the ends of the earth, as the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands shall roll forth, until it has filled the whole earth.
3 Yea, a voice crying—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, prepare ye the supper of the Lamb, make ready for the Bridegroom.
4 Pray unto the Lord, call upon his holy name, make known his wonderful works among the people.
5 Call upon the Lord, that his kingdom may go forth upon the earth, that the inhabitants thereof may receive it, and be prepared for the days to come, in the which the Son of Man shall come down in heaven, clothed in the brightness of his glory, to meet the kingdom of God which is set up on the earth.
6 Wherefore, may the kingdom of God go forth, that the kingdom of heaven may come, that thou, O God, mayest be glorified in heaven so on earth, that thine enemies may be subdued; for thine is the honor, power and glory, forever and ever. Amen.

Joseph Smith:
“The ancient prophets declared that in the last days the God of heaven should set up a kingdom which should never be destroyed, nor left to other people; and the very time that was calculated on, this people were struggling to bring it out. …
“I calculate to be one of the instruments of setting up the kingdom of Daniel by the word of the Lord, and I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. … It will not be by sword or gun that this kingdom will roll on: the power of truth is such that all nations will be under the necessity of obeying the Gospel.” (History of the Church, 6:364–65.)
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Joseph Smith gained access to some Egyptian scrolls and attempted to translate them. He later "discovered" that they contained the Book of Abraham. Later on experts in the Egyptian language translated them. Their translation was completely different. They found that these scrolls did not contain the Book of Abraham but was part of the Book of the Breathing which detailed the Pharaoh's Journey to the After-life.
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