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Pope tells Mafia to Stop Evil or Prepare for Hell.....

For as long as Christianity (and Islam) have been proclaiming that criminals will go to hell, people were still doing all the things that they're supposedly going to burn for. There were murderers, thieves, rapists (often not actually a sin), adulterers, gays, fornicators (my favorite), heretics, blasphemers, and people who work on the Sabbath. And I mean a lot of them. Especially the sex stuff. It really does seem like the casual Christian and Muslim for the majority of their history didn't really believe in the whole judgment and afterlife. The entire Protestant Reformation involved a lot of people knowingly making the informed decision to defy what everyone was claiming to be the literal authority of god on Earth. Popes have been overthrown by kings. Supposedly divinely ordained kings were overthrown by others. Henry VIII abandoned the church and made his own literally because he wanted to have lots of sex with his mistress. Religious authority operated exactly like every other political authority throughout history.

My point being, these Mafiosos clearly don't think that they're in danger, and a whole lot of people throughout history, even in the hugely theocratic Dark Ages, even in the hugely theocratic Islamic nations today, don't think so either. This sort of thing makes it seem like many of those who claim to be believers are only nominally so.
 
Paleocon said:
The demons have chosen eternal damnation. That's pretty self-harming.
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Well.....they didn't choose damnation. Moreover.....they thought they could change creation.
 
DDD said:
These are neatly evidenced documents with receipts as well as tax an all that. You may find them with MMC.
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:lol: Mornin DDD. :2wave: Well.....truthfully we uhm erm they, really don't call it a tax. More like a Gift. :mrgreen:

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Although, he could look up who pretty much takes care of the Church. Even the Drug Lords in Mexico and South America look out for the Church and their people.
 
MMC said:
Well.....they didn't choose damnation. Moreover.....they thought they could change creation.
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They voluntarily chose damnation.
 
Paleocon said:
They voluntarily chose damnation.
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No, it wasn't even in their thought processes. More than likely didn't even see.....not being part of creation altogether. They just didn't choose Damnation. But that's whats being bestowed upon them. According to the Christians, that is.

Also really the Pope nor his Church likes to discuss and talk about Demons and or the Dark Side. Aka the Negative.

Although if you want we can throw up thread on this discussion since its not really part of this OP.
 
MMC said:
No, it wasn't even in their thought processes. More than likely didn't even see.....not being part of creation altogether. They just didn't choose Damnation. But that's whats being bestowed upon them. According to the Christians, that is.

Also really the Pope nor his Church likes to discuss and talk about Demons and or the Dark Side. Aka the Negative.

Although if you want we can throw up thread on this discussion since its not really part of this OP.
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Catholic soteriology does not see damnation as something primarily imposed from without.

Sure. Just link to it.
 
polgara said:
Well, you heard what the Pope told the mafia! :mrgreen:
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Mafia Schmafia ... I wanna hear what he tells this guy ... but I can predict the reactions ...

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bubbabgone said:
Mafia Schmafia ... I wanna hear what he tells this guy ... but I can predict the reactions ...

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Mornin' Bubba. :2wave: I heard Obama gave him some vegetables from the WH Garden. Then they were suppose to talk about immigration and what Obama termed Social Justice. The Press ate it up with that. Not understanding there is no such thing as Social Justice. Theres only Justice.
 
bubbabgone said:
Mafia Schmafia ... I wanna hear what he tells this guy ... but I can predict the reactions ...

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They're kindred spirits, so they will agree that Obama is doing a great job! At least that's what we will hear from the MSM! :mrgreen:

Greetings, bubba. :2wave:
 
Paschendale said:
For as long as Christianity (and Islam) have been proclaiming that criminals will go to hell, people were still doing all the things that they're supposedly going to burn for. There were murderers, thieves, rapists (often not actually a sin), adulterers, gays, fornicators (my favorite), heretics, blasphemers, and people who work on the Sabbath. And I mean a lot of them. Especially the sex stuff. It really does seem like the casual Christian and Muslim for the majority of their history didn't really believe in the whole judgment and afterlife. The entire Protestant Reformation involved a lot of people knowingly making the informed decision to defy what everyone was claiming to be the literal authority of god on Earth. Popes have been overthrown by kings. Supposedly divinely ordained kings were overthrown by others. Henry VIII abandoned the church and made his own literally because he wanted to have lots of sex with his mistress. Religious authority operated exactly like every other political authority throughout history.

My point being, these Mafiosos clearly don't think that they're in danger, and a whole lot of people throughout history, even in the hugely theocratic Dark Ages, even in the hugely theocratic Islamic nations today, don't think so either. This sort of thing makes it seem like many of those who claim to be believers are only nominally so.
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I know of a certain religion that resides in darkness and tells those like you mentioned if they say 9 hail Marys--they are forgiven--- Only repentence( stopping of the doing of sin) will be forgiven---anyone listening to teachers about 9 hail Marys---RUN AWAY.
 
Since you've mentioned teachers, I wonder if you're attending a Catholic high school. Are you?
 
clownboy said:
One question: is the church still selling indulgences? If the answer is yes the Pope needs to remove the beam from the church's eye first.
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"The Church" never sold indulgences. If you mean "is the serious canonical offense of simony as rampant as it was at certain times in the past" then the answer is no.

kjw47 said:
I know of a certain religion that resides in darkness and tells those like you mentioned if they say 9 hail Marys--they are forgiven--- Only repentence( stopping of the doing of sin) will be forgiven---anyone listening to teachers about 9 hail Marys---RUN AWAY.
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Please try to have at least a vague understanding of a topic before discussing it.
 
Paleocon said:
"The Church" never sold indulgences. If you mean "is the serious canonical offense of simony as rampant as it was at certain times in the past" then the answer is no.



Please try to have at least a vague understanding of a topic before discussing it.
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I do thanks--so does Gods written word against those religionssssssssssssssssssssss.
 
nota bene said:
Since you've mentioned teachers, I wonder if you're attending a Catholic high school. Are you?
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Not in this lifetime or any for that fact. I meant spiritual teachers( clergy)
 
kjw47 said:
I do thanks--so does Gods written word against those religionssssssssssssssssssssss.
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Then back up your argument with something that at least sounds intelligent.
 
MMC said:
Mornin' Bubba. :2wave: I heard Obama gave him some vegetables from the WH Garden. Then they were suppose to talk about immigration and what Obama termed Social Justice. The Press ate it up with that. Not understanding there is no such thing as Social Justice. Theres only Justice.
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The Hebrew Word's for justice is Misphat and Tzedaka both which translate in modern English to what would be called "social justice," that's why the Word is used, to give those hebrew Words their full meaning in English.
 
RGacky3 said:
The Hebrew Word's for justice is Misphat and Tzedaka both which translate in modern English to what would be called "social justice," that's why the Word is used, to give those hebrew Words their full meaning in English.
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Yeah I know.....Dennis Prager. Had a 3 day marathon over the terminology social justice. In the end The Jewish Professor.....still pointed out. That there is no other words to place with Justice. There is either Justice or Injustice.
 
MMC said:
Yeah I know.....Dennis Prager. Had a 3 day marathon over the terminology social justice. In the end The Jewish Professor.....still pointed out. That there is no other words to place with Justice. There is either Justice or Injustice.
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Ok ... then use Justice ... but make sure you know what it means, that it has a STRONG social and economic element.
 
RGacky3 said:
Ok ... then use Justice ... but make sure you know what it means, that it has a STRONG social and economic element.
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Sure.....but then Like Prager stated.



Political Science
What is Social Justice?

Course Description
"Social Justice" is a term you hear almost every day. But did you ever hear anybody define what it actually means? Jonah Goldberg of the American Enterprise Institute tries to pin this catchall phrase to the wall. In doing so, he exposes the not-so-hidden agenda of those who use it. What sounds so caring and noble turns out to be something very different.


Try this at your next party. Ask your guests to define the term Social Justice. Okay, it's not Charades or Twister, but it should generate some interesting conversation, especially if your guests are on the political Left.

Since everyone on that side of the spectrum talks incessantly about social justice, they should be able to provide a good definition, right? But ask ten liberals to tell you what they mean by social justice and you'll get ten different answers. That's because Social Justice means anything its champions want it to mean.

Almost without exception, labor unions, universities and colleges, private foundations and public charities claim at least part of their mission to be the spreading of Social Justice far and wide.

Here's the Mission Statement of the AFL-CIO, but it could be the mission statement for a thousand such organizations: "The mission of the AFL-CIO is to improve the lives of working families -- to bring economic justice to the workplace, and social justice to our nation."

In short, "social justice" is code for good things no one needs to argue for -- and no one dare be against.

This very much troubled the great economist Friedrich Hayek.This is what he wrote in 1976, two years after winning the Nobel Prize in Economics. "I have come to feel strongly that the greatest service I can still render to my fellow men would be that I could make the speakers and writers among them thoroughly ashamed ever again to employ the term 'social justice'. Hayek understood that beneath the political opportunism and intellectual laziness of the term "social justice" was a pernicious philosophical claim, namely that freedom must be sacrificed in order to redistribute income.

Ultimately, "social justice" is about the state amassing ever increasing power in order to, do "good things." What are good things?

Well whatever the champions of social justice decide this week. But first, last and always it is the cause of economic redistribution. According to the doctrine of Social Justice, the haves always have too much, the have nots, never have enough. You don't have to take my word for it. That is precisely how a UN report on Social Justice defines the term: "Social justice may be broadly understood as the fair and compassionate distribution of the fruits of economic growth.....snip~

What is Social Justice? - Prager University
 
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MMC said:
Sure.....but then Like Prager stated.



Political Science
What is Social Justice?

Course Description
"Social Justice" is a term you hear almost every day. But did you ever hear anybody define what it actually means? Jonah Goldberg of the American Enterprise Institute tries to pin this catchall phrase to the wall. In doing so, he exposes the not-so-hidden agenda of those who use it. What sounds so caring and noble turns out to be something very different.


Try this at your next party. Ask your guests to define the term Social Justice. Okay, it's not Charades or Twister, but it should generate some interesting conversation, especially if your guests are on the political Left.

Since everyone on that side of the spectrum talks incessantly about social justice, they should be able to provide a good definition, right? But ask ten liberals to tell you what they mean by social justice and you'll get ten different answers. That's because Social Justice means anything its champions want it to mean.

Almost without exception, labor unions, universities and colleges, private foundations and public charities claim at least part of their mission to be the spreading of Social Justice far and wide.

Here's the Mission Statement of the AFL-CIO, but it could be the mission statement for a thousand such organizations: "The mission of the AFL-CIO is to improve the lives of working families -- to bring economic justice to the workplace, and social justice to our nation."

In short, "social justice" is code for good things no one needs to argue for -- and no one dare be against.

This very much troubled the great economist Friedrich Hayek.This is what he wrote in 1976, two years after winning the Nobel Prize in Economics. "I have come to feel strongly that the greatest service I can still render to my fellow men would be that I could make the speakers and writers among them thoroughly ashamed ever again to employ the term 'social justice'. Hayek understood that beneath the political opportunism and intellectual laziness of the term "social justice" was a pernicious philosophical claim, namely that freedom must be sacrificed in order to redistribute income.

Ultimately, "social justice" is about the state amassing ever increasing power in order to, do "good things." What are good things?

Well whatever the champions of social justice decide this week. But first, last and always it is the cause of economic redistribution. According to the doctrine of Social Justice, the haves always have too much, the have nots, never have enough. You don't have to take my word for it. That is precisely how a UN report on Social Justice defines the term: "Social justice may be broadly understood as the fair and compassionate distribution of the fruits of economic growth.....snip~

What is Social Justice? - Prager University
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Ok, when I use the term "social justice" I mean distributive justice, so everyone in society having Access to the necessities of life is justice. That's the biblical way it's used. So for example when Yahweh hears the Calls from the widows and orphans for Justice, it's referring to their Access to Resources. When there is Usury going on in the land, it's lacking justice, because some People are profiting from others destitution, the distributive justice is being perverted.

So you're right the term is vague, but then again the term "justice" is vague also, People just add "social" before the term to make it Clear they are talking about social and economic injustices, and not, punitive criminal justice.
 
Kewl. So that's organised crime in the bag. Moving on to global poverty.
 
MMC said:
Pope Francis, in an annual ceremony held to remember the hundreds of innocent people murdered by the Italian mafia, made a solemn plea for mobsters to change or else "end up in hell".
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If this works then I bet the Pope will be kicking himself for thinking of it earlier...
 
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