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Demons, Coast to Coast

tosca1 said:
How does that work?

If someone is going to use Jesus whom he doesn't believe in, as his weapon to fight off a demon.....wouldn't that be like waving a plastic gun at someone who wants to do him harm?

I suppose....when a non-believer suddenly comes face to face with a real demon - all supernaturals suddenly become real to him. That includes God/Jesus.
I guess, it must be instantly becoming a believer. When one gets to that point of asking Jesus to help him, he must've reached the point of finally believing in Him.
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One must be a believer to use Jesus as a weapon?
 
ecofarm said:
One must be a believer to use Jesus as a weapon?
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I don't know for sure. But I'd speculate one has to....



Eph 6
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.


....unless Jesus would want to help out a non-believer for His own reasons or purpose.
 
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tosca1 said:
I don't know for sure. But I'd speculate one has to....



Eph 6
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
unless Jesus wants to intervene and help someone who don't believe (for His own reason or purpose).



....unless Jesus would want to help out a non-believer for His own reasons or purpose.
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Armor is not a weapon. One does not manipulate the Spirit (the Word of God).

The very idea of using (manipulating) Christ should be abhorrent to a Christian, let alone using Him as a weapon.

You have misread the passage.
 
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ecofarm said:
Armor is not a weapon. One does not manipulate the Spirit (the Word of God).

The very idea of using (manipulating) Christ should be abhorrent to a Christian, let alone using Him as a weapon.

You have misread the passage.
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What do you mean by "manipulating?" Actually handling?

You do know that one does not have to physically wield something by hand to be a weapon....that words can be powerful weapons to inflict hurt, don't you?




weapon - something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you.
Weapon 2 : a means of contending against another
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Invoking Jesus can be used as an armor, AND AS A WEAPON ! Take your pick. It depends how you look at it. There's no right or wrong about this.

Anyway, if one is in immediate danger would you quibble whether you're using Him for an armor or a weapon? :lol:


Let me give you an example from the other thread The Good Shepherds.

Debbie continues, "Then they got to us in the bathroom. He pushed the handle down and opened it very slowly, and then he started to shut it. I thought they’re not going to find us. Then he stopped and reached around and looked behind the door. He said, 'They’re here' -- in English. Just before that we had been praying. I was praying and I just knew that that was it. The Lord said to me, 'Debbie, Psalm 91.' He said, 'You have been with Me in that secret place. Now you just stand in My shadow.'"

The man ordered Keith and Debbie into the hallway.

Keith says, "When we stepped out of that bathroom and into that hall, we stepped into the presence of the Spirit of God."

"The power and the glory of God fell so strong that you could feel the walls rattling. I couldn’t stand up. Keith had to literally hold me up at one point. It was not from fear because fear was gone," Debbie says. "I liked it one time when Keith said, 'It wasn’t the courage we had; it was the absence of fear.' And in the presence of God there was no fear."

The men demanded money. Keith had a one-hundred-dollar bill. He handed it over and said, "In the name of Jesus…"

"I noticed instantly at that moment that he said 'in Jesus' name' that both their heads -- I mean it was in sync, it was simultaneous -- the power of God was so strong there that they backed up from us, and they were the ones who had guns."
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The simultaneous reaction from the bad guys made it look like Jesus' name was a weapon in this scenario.

Armor and WEAPON! Jesus is!
 
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Jesus is a weapon.


:roll:
 
ecofarm said:
Jesus is a weapon.


:roll:
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:shootYep.



Exodus 14:14
14 The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.”



He's all the weaponry you need.
 
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ecofarm said:
In my nights working as a security guard on the third shift, wrapped in polyester, sporting a plastic badge and walkie-talkie on my hip, I grew to appreciate the loons of Coast to Coast AM.
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Yeah, something about the low sound of that radio chat late at night, when no one is around. I miss it.
 
ecofarm said:
Jesus is a weapon.


:roll:
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Maybe what Tosca means is in the arena of spiritual warfare. Back in the '90's I heard Terry Law speak at a friend's church and never forgot what he said to distinguish between the defensive weapons of Ephesians 6:5 and the offensive weapons that are the Word, the Body, and the Blood. I'd never even thought about this--offensive weapons, I mean.
 
nota bene said:
Maybe what Tosca means is in the arena of spiritual warfare. Back in the '90's I heard Terry Law speak at a friend's church and never forgot what he said to distinguish between the defensive weapons of Ephesians 6:5 and the offensive weapons that are the Word, the Body, and the Blood. I'd never even thought about this--offensive weapons, I mean.
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Yes, spiritual. We're talking about demons....

On a separate note, I sometimes wonder if some of the people who commit atrocious acts are possessed?
The testimony given by the couple in Africa given above suggests that they were dealing with something supernatural, too. It's possible that the bad guys who came to kill them were under the influence of evil....thus their reaction - they sync, automatically and physically backed off - when the name of Jesus' was invoked.

I think there's a verse in the Bible that showed demons were afraid of Jesus.
 
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Christians cannot be possessed by demons - because we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. That's explicitly clear in the Bible.

That's not to be confused however, with being oppressed or influenced by demons.
 
tosca1 said:
Christians cannot be possessed by demons - because we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. That's explicitly clear in the Bible.

That's not to be confused however, with being oppressed or influenced by demons.
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Well said. I agree. A few people above have suggested invoking the name of Jesus when in the presence of demons, this only works on lower level entities. A powerful demon will telepathically place your thoughts under hypnosis. When this happens, there's nothing you can do. You'll be unable to think, talk or move. On the bright side, it's likely an angel will arrive within seconds to lend assistance.
 
Nouri and his predecesser Bell are first class con men. Anyone who takes what either has to say with any seriousness falls squarely within Barnum's famous quote - "there's a sucker born every minute".
 
clownboy said:
Nouri and his predecesser Bell are first class con men. Anyone who takes what either has to say with any seriousness falls squarely within Barnum's famous quote - "there's a sucker born every minute".
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I wouldn't know. Yet, a conman takes money from you, and they provide entertainment late at night that costs nothing but your time while listening in bed, unless you are working the graveyard shift, in which case they are almost like old friends. People who have worked that one know what I mean. A lot of times in the past when I listened the topics were not as good, and I never got the case George or Art believed in everything their guests had to share, but they gave it an audience that allowed all of us to decide. I think that is what makes them so different. In regards to demons, many would not even give this subject a proper forum for discussion, not even many churches. I am glad they do, though I must admit I don't know if I believe in them, it still sends a shutter down my spine when listening to the stories late at night.
 
I have no interest in listening to a show of this kind. Nothing good comes from dwelling on the subject of demons... if you turn your attention to them, you may draw their attention on you.


In brief, avoid.
 
I recommend this book for anyone seeking a solution for their demon problems:

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I recommend this video


I look around and I see just stupid. We're complaining about religion, no one cares!
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Hard Truth said:
I recommend this book for anyone seeking a solution for their demon problems:

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I love that book, and quote it often. I miss Carl Sagan. A true sage. Only, I feel Carl would have added one thing....there is much out there that we can not as of yet explain, but perhaps science one day will be able to. Who knows? I know there is a lot I can't explain that I have experience in life, and just keep it to myself. Still, this subject is creepy.
 
The best way to make demons, ghosts, angels, aliens from other planets, bigfoot, and other such entities disappear is to attempt to document their existence with video cameras or bring a skeptical witnesses to observe them.
 
tosca1 said:
Invoking Jesus can be used as an armor, AND AS A WEAPON ! Take your pick. It depends how you look at it. There's no right or wrong about this.
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Oh the naiveté.

You don't "fight" with a daemon, you repel it, and you repel it by using a frequency higher than it. If you emit light and love, these low lives are pretty much automatically taken aback. Anytime you call on a higher power - whatever you conceive it to be - you are calling on a frequency. Yes, Jesus, as a thoughtform, resides there, because 2000 years of worship have given it power. Same with God, the Divine, the Universe, whatever...

The Sun does not fight, it simply emits a light so bright that nothing can harm it without being burned up. That is what love and divinity do. You are not actually fighting, you are simply raising yourself up to an untouchable level. Simply saying "Jesus" without the accompanying vibration does nothing. If you are not an elevated spiritual practitioner, then dealing with daemons will be met with little success.

This thread gives plenty of evidence for why amateurs should not be dabbling in this subject. Their arrogance and righteousness makes them feel emotionally like they have some kind of power over darkness when really they are being taken advantage of. The true work always begins within. That is the heart jewel of any spiritual system.
 
KevinKohler said:
I have never experienced anything remotely supernatural, though I'd love to. Seeing is believing, and I want to believe. While back, before the kids, ghost/demon hunting was a hobby I per sued every weekend. I've been to the most haunted places around in CT, found nothing. Cemeteries, nothing.

So....
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It was never a hobby for me but I've been to extremely haunted places (that were supposedly extremely haunted) and found nothing more then a good story from the guy giving the ghost tour.
 
Goshin said:
I have no interest in listening to a show of this kind. Nothing good comes from dwelling on the subject of demons... if you turn your attention to them, you may draw their attention on you.


In brief, avoid.
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You really think that?
 
Monserrat said:
You really think that?
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That dwelling on demons and demonic matters is a bad idea? Yes.


That they exist? Yes. It is part of the theology of my religious beliefs.


Not to mention, personal experiences. Which indeed, I generally decline to discuss.
 
Goshin said:
That dwelling on demons and demonic matters is a bad idea? Yes.


That they exist? Yes. It is part of the theology of my religious beliefs.


Not to mention, personal experiences. Which indeed, I generally decline to discuss.
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I don't see how thinking about them changes anything. I grew up on the scifi channel and watched all those haunting shows, I've been to haunted sites that are just upsetting in knowing that horrible things went on there but other then that there wasn't anything supernatural that I've experienced at least so I can't say that I agree there.
 
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