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Why are you faithful ?

Sparklet said:
No I didn't mean it like that =] I meant happiness isn't quite proof for existence, as everyone can be happy in their own way, in my honest opinion.
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I agree. Everyone can be happy in their own way

My way involves faith.
 
Sparklet said:
not in a mean way or anything ~_~ I just find it annoying as hell when my mum tells me 'don't eat meat', cos I'm supposed to be brought up as a Jain=/ Well I am a Jain myself, I respect my dad by not bringing meat into the house, but it's just that... I don't know. I'm 16, growing up, rather follow my own beliefs and decisions. So anyway my mum's given up. What would you do in that situation if you were brought up as a vegeterian but you saw others eating meat and wanted to eat it yourself ?? Would you resist your temptation ?? I'm critisized by people for doing that, but I like certain meats. My dad eats meat though, which my mum doesn't like either.
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No, I would not resist that temptation. If I did not question my parents, and question everything that I was taught as a child, I would still be a mental child. If spirituality depends on what one eats, I don't want to have spirituality as a part of my life. If spirituality depends on believing what others believe, I don't want any part of it. That's what I am saying about the individuality of a spiritual path. One's religious path is not dependent on what one eats, what one wears, what one portrays to the world. It is what you are mentally and emotionally. The things that you eat and drink, or the things you wear may be symbolic of what you believe, but they are not what is important. The way you are says much more about you than the symbols you use.
 
lizzie said:
No, I would not resist that temptation. If I did not question my parents, and question everything that I was taught as a child, I would still be a mental child. If spirituality depends on what one eats, I don't want to have spirituality as a part of my life. If spirituality depends on believing what others believe, I don't want any part of it. That's what I am saying about the individuality of a spiritual path. One's religious path is not dependent on what one eats, what one wears, what one portrays to the world. It is what you are mentally and emotionally. The things that you eat and drink, or the things you wear may be symbolic of what you believe, but they are not what is important. The way you are says much more about you than the symbols you use.
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Ikr, it's the feelings to awe and compassion towards others which counts... if you have that :p
 
lizzie said:
It's not feelings, though. It's being.
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yea, but if you feel compassion, that would mean you're a nice person, duh ? are you thick or something ?

What does 'bartender' status mean on this forum ??
 
Sparklet said:
Ikr, it's the feelings to awe and compassion towards others which counts... if you have that :p
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I can't say I know much about Jainism, but I suspect that their vegetarianism is due to their belief in not causing suffering. That's an admirable quality and I think you should think about the kind of person you want to be in relation to causing suffering. Think hard

And think about whether eating meat is consistent with your beliefs about suffering and its' causes.

It's your life. No one can live it but you
 
Sparklet said:
yea, but if you feel compassion, that would mean you're a nice person, duh ? are you thick or something ?

What does 'bartender' status mean on this forum ??
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No, feeling compassion doesn't necessarily mean you are a good person. Feelings are fickle, and they are like children. What you want to strive for (imo) is rock-solid being, which doesn't depend on circumstances.
 
sangha said:
I can't say I know much about Jainism, but I suspect that their vegetarianism is due to their belief in not causing suffering. That's an admirable quality and I think you should think about the kind of person you want to be in relation to causing suffering. Think hard

And think about whether eating meat is consistent with your beliefs about suffering and its' causes.

It's your life. No one can live it but you
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It's because of the belief in ahimsa (noon-violence).

Yea I do believe in this, but it's like like it's ME who's killing the animals. They're already killed, so if one person doesn't eat meat, then what difference does it make ??
 
lizzie said:
No, feeling compassion doesn't necessarily mean you are a good person. Feelings are fickle, and they are like children. What you want to strive for (imo) is rock-solid being, which doesn't depend on circumstances.
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Well in a way basically no one is a really nice person then, although they may seem like one...
 
Sparklet said:
It's because of the belief in ahimsa (noon-violence).

Yea I do believe in this, but it's like like it's ME who's killing the animals. They're already killed, so if one person doesn't eat meat, then what difference does it make ??
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By eating meat, you add to the demand for meat which incentivizes those who do the actual killing.

Sparklet said:
Well in a way basically no one is a really nice person then, although they may seem like one...
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When it comes to ones' own personal beliefs and behaviors, I believe in concentrating more on how one can become a better person than on whether you or another is a "good" or "bad" person.
 
sangha said:
By eating meat, you add to the demand for meat which incentivizes those who do the actual killing.
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I don't eat much though. and no, it's already been killed...

and also plants are killed, which are living things too. If neither plants or animals are killed, how would we survive ? I believe that if there was a being who didn't want us to eat animals, they wouldn't be edible ?
 
Sparklet said:
I don't eat much though. and no, it's already been killed...

and also plants are killed, which are living things too. If neither plants or animals are killed, how would we survive ? I believe that if there was a being who didn't want us to eat animals, they wouldn't be edible ?
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Speaking personally, I don't have a problem with killing plants or animals for sustenance. However, that's me. I'm not suggesting that you do or do not eat meat. I'm suggesting that you think about it and decide for yourself.
 
sangha said:
Speaking personally, I don't have a problem with killing plants or animals for sustenance. However, that's me. I'm not suggesting that you do or do not eat meat. I'm suggesting that you think about it and decide for yourself.
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Hmmm yea i know .xD
 
Sparklet said:
No, I speak seriously ? Are you an admin or a moderator or what ?
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There is a section (ie a forum) on DP called the Forum for non-political talk. It's where we share our problems, good news, play games, or even just babble on about silly stuff. As a "bartender", Liz is sort of like a host.
 
sangha said:
There is a section (ie a forum) on DP called the Forum for non-political talk. It's where we share our problems, good news, play games, or even just babble on about silly stuff. As a "bartender", Liz is sort of like a host.
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Off-topic discussion ? I can already post there :O ???
If it's a section still invisible to me, what post count is required ??
 
I also don't understand why sections are called forums !! They're sub-forums actually !!
 
Sparklet said:
Why do you believe in the religion you believe in ? Do you first think of miracles, design of the universe, first cause, etc.?? i suppose so, but what's the particular reason you believe in the religion you do ??
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there is no specific reason for me to believe in god ,l believe intuitively

if you have a reason it doesnt become a real belief
 
Sparklet said:
Not trying to be rude or anything, but what you call it real 'faith' if you're just doing what is 'most convinient' for you to 'participate in faith by sharing fellowship with others from time to time' ??
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My faith does no compel me to go to a Methodist Church or say the Lord's prayer or tithe or any of that stuff even if I do those things. Unlike a lot of people, I do not even believe that Baptism is essential to salvation. I did not use the phrase "real faith". Faith is an inward conviction, not an outward expression of that belief. I have attended on a semi-regular basis in my life a baptist church, a Wesleyan Church, a Non-denominational church, and Methodist churches. It is just a matter what was most convenient to me at the time where I lived and what was going on in my life. It isn't like my beliefs changed with my zip code or life circumstances.
 
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