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Is it okay for a Chrsitian to be a "prepper?"

tosca1

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"Prepper," as in being a survivalist.

I'm curious to the feedbacks on this. Of course for us, the ultimate prep would be THE Prep to face the Lord.
 
Of course it is. Not every disaster is Armageddon, and Christians are supposed to preserve their lives to the best of their ability.
 
"Prepper," as in being a survivalist.

I'm curious to the feedbacks on this. Of course for us, the ultimate prep would be THE Prep to face the Lord.

What logic drives you to think that it would not be ok?
 
"Prepper," as in being a survivalist.

I'm curious to the feedbacks on this. Of course for us, the ultimate prep would be THE Prep to face the Lord.

Why should I think not?
 
Of course it is. Not every disaster is Armageddon, and Christians are supposed to preserve their lives to the best of their ability.

The least to expect from a good christian soldier is a good rumble with riders of the apocalypse, when they come.
 
The least to expect from a good christian soldier is a good rumble with riders of the apocalypse, when they come.

Subject me not to the trial! ("...and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.")
 
What logic drives you to think that it would not be ok?

I think that yes, it is okay to become a survivalist or to prep for disaster.....but on the other hand, I was wondering if that takes away trust in the Lord?

If your neighbor comes knocking at your door asking for food...can we deny him ( since we've got our own family who rely on us for their own survival)?

I'm just getting conflicted on this, thus I'd like to see various Christian viewpoints.
 
The movie, "Machine Gun Preacher" comes to mind, too. He killed to protect the children from atrocities.
 
I think that yes, it is okay to become a survivalist or to prep for disaster.....but on the other hand, I was wondering if that takes away trust in the Lord?

If your neighbor comes knocking at your door asking for food...can we deny him ( since we've got our own family who rely on us for their own survival)?

I'm just getting conflicted on this, thus I'd like to see various Christian viewpoints.

Uhm... I don't think God intended for Christians to be stupid and depend on Him to save them or do everything for them.

There is this joke that is in my native tongue, I shall translate it as adequately as possible .

A man is drowning in the middle of a large lake. A swimmer comes to him with a float jacket and says: take this jacket and come with me to the shore!; and the drowning man replies: No, I trust God will save me!
A few minutes later a fisherman comes by and says: grab my hand, I shall pull you from the water... but the drowning man replies: No, God will save me.
Then a yacht comes by full of people and they all offer to save him but the drowning man stopped all of them from attempting by saying: no, god will save me.
After that he drowned.


Eventually he drowned and died and went to face God. And he asked God: Lord, why didn't you save me? And God replied: Didn't save you? I sent you a lifeguard, a fisherman in a boat and a yacht full of people to save you.. and yet you did not accept my help.

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Or another way to look at it: God helps those who help themselves.

i really do not understand how you can be conflicted about this at all... I just don't understand how as a Christian, that is, if you really are, don't understand such things. I mean, who taught you to think the way you do?
 
I think that yes, it is okay to become a survivalist or to prep for disaster.....but on the other hand, I was wondering if that takes away trust in the Lord?

"Trust in the Lord thy God and pass the ammunition."
 
Uhm... I don't think God intended for Christians to be stupid and depend on Him to save them or do everything for them.

There is this joke that is in my native tongue, I shall translate it as adequately as possible .

A man is drowning in the middle of a large lake. A swimmer comes to him with a float jacket and says: take this jacket and come with me to the shore!; and the drowning man replies: No, I trust God will save me!
A few minutes later a fisherman comes by and says: grab my hand, I shall pull you from the water... but the drowning man replies: No, God will save me.
Then a yacht comes by full of people and they all offer to save him but the drowning man stopped all of them from attempting by saying: no, god will save me.
After that he drowned.


Eventually he drowned and died and went to face God. And he asked God: Lord, why didn't you save me? And God replied: Didn't save you? I sent you a lifeguard, a fisherman in a boat and a yacht full of people to save you.. and yet you did not accept my help.

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Or another way to look at it: God helps those who help themselves.

i really do not understand how you can be conflicted about this at all... I just don't understand how as a Christian, that is, if you really are, don't understand such things. I mean, who taught you to think the way you do?

Your point is well taken, your story is appreciated (I found myself chuckling with the humor) - that I gave you a like.

However, your last comment is quite insulting that I withdrew the like.

I just don't understand how anyone participating in a mature discussion have to be abrasive. You don't have a clue about diplomacy, I guess. Who taught you that way?

Anyway, I'll just put you on ignore right now. I don't have the time for juvenile responses, sorry.
 
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Your point is well taken, your story is appreciated (I found myself chuckling with the humor) - that I gave you a like.

However, your last comment is quite insulting that I withdrew the like.

I just don't understand how anyone participating in a mature discussion have to be abrasive. You don't have a clue about diplomacy, I guess. Who taught you that way?

Anyway, I'll just put you on ignore right now. I don't have the time for juvenile responses, sorry.

You're calling it juvenile reponse... I say: If you think the way you do, you're the juvenile here, at least in terms of mentality? That's a victim mentality through and through and I don't understand, I simply don't, how a human being can have it, let alone a Christian. That sort of mentality goes beyond being un-christian, it's anti-human.

I am thus curious, what kind of a Christian you claim to be. Because that sort of mentality sure as hell isn't taught in Catholicism, Protestantism or Orthodoxism... so you either horribly, horribly misunderstood what the whole thing about being a Christian is about or you're part of another denomination.


The point is, you can't rely on God to help you. You need to help yourself firstly, and if extraordinary circumstances rise that are beyond your control (car accident, earthquake, etc) hope and pray that you make it out alive. Uhm, this doesn't mean that you should be faithful only in times of trouble... it does however mean that unless you find yourself waaay in over your head, don't demand or hope or wish that God intervenes in some way on your behalf.
 
You're calling it juvenile reponse... I say: If you think the way you do, you're the juvenile here, at least in terms of mentality? That's a victim mentality through and through and I don't understand, I simply don't, how a human being can have it, let alone a Christian. That sort of mentality goes beyond being un-christian, it's anti-human.

I am thus curious, what kind of a Christian you claim to be. Because that sort of mentality sure as hell isn't taught in Catholicism, Protestantism or Orthodoxism... so you either horribly, horribly misunderstood what the whole thing about being a Christian is about or you're part of another denomination.


The point is, you can't rely on God to help you. You need to help yourself firstly, and if extraordinary circumstances rise that are beyond your control (car accident, earthquake, etc) hope and pray that you make it out alive. Uhm, this doesn't mean that you should be faithful only in times of trouble... it does however mean that unless you find yourself waaay in over your head, don't demand or hope or wish that God intervenes in some way on your behalf.


Just so to help you get a grasp on it, let me take you by the hand.....review the interchange between us:



Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post

What logic drives you to think that it would not be ok?

tosca1

I think that yes, it is okay to become a survivalist or to prep for disaster.....but on the other hand, I was wondering if that takes away trust in the Lord?

If your neighbor comes knocking at your door asking for food...can we deny him ( since we've got our own family who rely on us for their own survival)?


I'm just getting conflicted on this, thus I'd like to see various Christian viewpoints.

What was your response to that?

Rainman05
i really do not understand how you can be conflicted about this at all... I just don't understand how as a Christian, that is, if you really are, don't understand such things. I mean, who taught you to think the way you do?

First, that you don't understand how someone can sometimes get conflicted (especially in moral matters, Christian or not), seems to show you lack some depth. Or life experience.

Second, you don't seem to understand what you're reading. Your brashy rash response shows that.

Third, if you'd read the Bible - which seems that you have not - surely you will understand how some Christians can get conflicted otherwise, why do you think there are so many Christian denominations, DUH.

And you dare speak of logic???

All your blather above are meaningless. So yes, juvenile! Learn to understand what you read!
And if you're going to make someone look stupid, make sure you know what you're on about.
Nuff time wasted on you. Bye-bye.
 
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Rainman05

The point is, you can't rely on God to help you. You need to help yourself firstly, and if extraordinary circumstances rise that are beyond your control (car accident, earthquake, etc) hope and pray that you make it out alive. Uhm, this doesn't mean that you should be faithful only in times of trouble... it does however mean that unless you find yourself waaay in over your head, don't demand or hope or wish that God intervenes in some way on your behalf.

Just so others will understand, I don't buy that.

I've experienced God's intervention on numerous occasions - a lot of which would be what can be considered trivial matters of everyday life. A couple of them involved money matters too.
(Both happened this year)

The last one I'd given as a testimony in this forum (I think) - it happened a few months ago when after reading the bible verse wherein God said "Do not be afraid, I will raise you again" I asked God if He can raise my income a bit. That same day, my employer informed me that they'd decided to give me a raise. It was a big raise, too. I still think of that word, "raise".... it gave me the warm feeling that God wanted me to know He heard and answered me.

One doesn't need to be facing big stuffs like earthquakes, or car accidents to pray for help.
Or to ask. You never know. Whatever it is...if it's within God's will, it will be given.

How many times God had helped us through our daily lives....only we're not just aware of them?

YOU CAN ALWAYS RELY ON GOD....however, the kind of help He gives may not be what we expect!
 
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"Prepper," as in being a survivalist.

I'm curious to the feedbacks on this. Of course for us, the ultimate prep would be THE Prep to face the Lord.

Its not ok for anyone to be a "prepper" unless you like wasting a lot of time and money.
 
Christians belong to a community of believers, and they have duties to them, and to all their neighbors. Survivalism is contrary to that. It's every man for himself. Instead of preparing for Armaggedon, Christians should be looking out for the interests of others now.
 
The point is, you can't rely on God to help you. You need to help yourself firstly, and if extraordinary circumstances rise that are beyond your control (car accident, earthquake, etc) hope and pray that you make it out alive. Uhm, this doesn't mean that you should be faithful only in times of trouble... it does however mean that unless you find yourself waaay in over your head, don't demand or hope or wish that God intervenes in some way on your behalf.

I will have to disagree. I do rely on my Father to help me, and He has never let me down, not even in the darkest of times. I do think there is wisdom in the saying, "Trust God...but lock your car." ;)
 
"Prepper," as in being a survivalist.

I'm curious to the feedbacks on this. Of course for us, the ultimate prep would be THE Prep to face the Lord.

Of course it is okay. We have brains for a reason. ;) Believing in God does not mean that one would be wise to hope for miracles.
 
I think that yes, it is okay to become a survivalist or to prep for disaster.....but on the other hand, I was wondering if that takes away trust in the Lord?

If your neighbor comes knocking at your door asking for food...can we deny him ( since we've got our own family who rely on us for their own survival)?

I'm just getting conflicted on this, thus I'd like to see various Christian viewpoints.
Well I don't know; Joseph could probably have been considered a prepper; God was using him ultimately as part of His plan to save Israel...

I think it's prudent to make at least reasonable preparations for disasters, particularly when there clues exist of impending problems. And it's important I think we think of those around us who might not be prepared - our preparations might mean their survival (or more) as well.

But I also think we can take it too far - particularly when our preparations lead us into isolation, when our efforts are to save us and us alone. But then, some of that might be considered prudent as well, given disasters tend to drive people into raging mobs which can only make the disaster worse.

So if one approach it prayerfully and prudently, I don't really have a problem with it.
 
"Prepper," as in being a survivalist.

I'm curious to the feedbacks on this. Of course for us, the ultimate prep would be THE Prep to face the Lord.

A good Christian should be ready with lots of emergency supplies to give away for free in an emergency situation.
 
Well I don't know; Joseph could probably have been considered a prepper; God was using him ultimately as part of His plan to save Israel...

Wouldn't Noah be the ultimate prepper? He even had a Bug-out Ark.
 
I will have to disagree. I do rely on my Father to help me, and He has never let me down, not even in the darkest of times. I do think there is wisdom in the saying, "Trust God...but lock your car." ;)

Well this is the core of what I'm saying... maybe I use more words and describe a more nuances situation but it's the same thing.
 
Well I don't know; Joseph could probably have been considered a prepper; God was using him ultimately as part of His plan to save Israel...


That is indeed true!

I think it's prudent to make at least reasonable preparations for disasters, particularly when there clues exist of impending problems. And it's important I think we think of those around us who might not be prepared - our preparations might mean their survival (or more) as well.

But I also think we can take it too far - particularly when our preparations lead us into isolation, when our efforts are to save us and us alone. But then, some of that might be considered prudent as well, given disasters tend to drive people into raging mobs which can only make the disaster worse.

So if one approach it prayerfully and prudently, I don't really have a problem with it.

Thank you.
 
Wouldn't Noah be the ultimate prepper? He even had a Bug-out Ark.

That, too! Oh my goodness....and perhaps Exodus, when the Jews were preparing to leave Egypt, they must've prepared for the journey, except that the journey got extended.
 
God helps them that help themselves, yes? To be a "Prepper" in the spiritual sense is to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit. Where is he leading you? Act accordingly!
 
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