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Where does it say in the Bible that we can't curse?

Goshin said:
Apparently "fool" ('raca') was considered very very bad for some reason. Other than that, no clue.
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I know it says in the Bible that "thou shall not call thy brother a fool," (paraphrasing) and that is very specific. For that reason, I've never called anyone a fool. It's specific.
 
Since the KJV is the one I know best, it's the one I will use as just one example.

8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

From KJV 3, verses 8-10

I tend to think that the reason cursing is looked down upon, is because it implies a general sense of anger and disrespect for both God, and for one's fellow man.
 
lizzie said:
Since the KJV is the one I know best, it's the one I will use as just one example.

8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

From KJV 3, verses 8-10

I tend to think that the reason cursing is looked down upon, is because it implies a general sense of anger and disrespect for both God, and for one's fellow man.
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But what constitutes cursing? I mean, really that could mean saying anything. That could mean saying, "You are a ginormous poopy head."
 
Superfly said:
But what constitutes cursing? I mean, really that could mean saying anything. That could mean saying, "You are a ginormous poopy head."
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That is a good point. My general impression is that what is considered cursing, are words spoken in anger and thoughtlessness. Society seems to set the standard, and I believe the concept in the Bible is one of intent, and not literal words.
 
Exactly. So my running up to someone and saying, "You are a giant poopy head!!" is the same as saying, "You are a giant ****head!!"
 
Superfly said:
Exactly. So my running up to someone and saying, "You are a giant poopy head!!" is the same as saying, "You are a giant ****head!!"
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If you call me a poopy head, I'll assume it's your gentle way of telling me you're not happy with something about me. That's much more conciliatory than calling me a ****head, which is meant to offend and is usually said out of anger.

I'm a Christian and I may cuss around people who I know aren't offended by it, and don't around people I don't know or who I think may be offended.
 
spud_meister said:
Bull****. Profanity, used properly and sparingly, is a way to add emphasis to whatever you're saying.
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I think logicman would like everyone to talk like this:
 

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Superfly said:
Same here. I won't do it around people who are offended by it.
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What's sad is that society has coarsened so much that lots of people simply don't understand that what's appropriate with one audience isn't for another. Remember "inside voice" versus "outside voice"? What about public versus private?
 
Superfly said:
I know it says in the Bible that "thou shall not call thy brother a fool," (paraphrasing) and that is very specific. For that reason, I've never called anyone a fool. It's specific.
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Ditto. I've never quite puzzled out WHY calling someone a fool is so bad though. Maybe in that time and culture it was considered a very grave insult likely to provoke violence? That's my best guess...
 
Goshin said:
Ditto. I've never quite puzzled out WHY calling someone a fool is so bad though. Maybe in that time and culture it was considered a very grave insult likely to provoke violence? That's my best guess...
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A fool was considered to be not so much a stupid person but a person who refused to learn and would repeat the same mistakes. It was not calling someone out for making a mistake, but a judgement on their basic capacity as a human.
 
ecofarm said:
A fool was considered to be not so much a stupid person but a person who refused to learn and would repeat the same mistakes. It was not calling someone out for making a mistake, but a judgement on their basic capacity as a human.
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Hm. Well if it was essentially a way of saying someone was sub-human then I can see why it would be a grave insult.
 
nota bene said:
What's sad is that society has coarsened so much that lots of people simply don't understand that what's appropriate with one audience isn't for another. Remember "inside voice" versus "outside voice"? What about public versus private?
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I think it's a matter of people just not caring, which is part of that coarsening. Nobody cares. Sad. :(
 
Goshin said:
Hm. Well if it was essentially a way of saying someone was sub-human then I can see why it would be a grave insult.
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The Bible specifically condemns fools. Surely, that's not meant to be condemnation for one simple mistake.
 
I think God has more important things to worry about honestly. :lol:
 
Superfly said:
Corrupting talk could mean anything. If I say mother****er in my home, it shouldn't be considered wrong, because it doesn't say in the Bible specifically not to say that word. Only nothing corrupting, which could mean anything.
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Does the word mother****er give grace to those who hear it? The Bible, in that verse and several others, basically says to be polite at all times.
 
spud_meister said:
Does the word mother****er give grace to those who hear it? The Bible, in that verse and several others, basically says to be polite at all times.
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95% of our conversations don't give grace to others. Doesn't mean they're bad to say.

I fixed fried chicken for dinner tonight. That doesn't give grace to others, but it's not wrong to say.
 
spud_meister said:
A sharp wit would realise that it's foolish to exclude any part of the language from it's repertoire.
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But then you don't think you'll be answering to God for every careless word spoken.
 
Superfly said:
Exactly. So my running up to someone and saying, "You are a giant poopy head!!" is the same as saying, "You are a giant ****head!!"
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That is true, however, just because our society sets the words which are deemed offensive, the comparison really isn't quite accurate. As an example, if you speak the word *poopy*, I know that you aren't angry or being offensive. Otoh, if you use the word ****head, I know that you are being offensive, just as a result of our cultural conditioning. It's like using the term Jesus H. Christ, as opposed to Jesus effing Christ.
 
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Superfly said:
I mean, other than, of course, taking God's name in vain, where does it say that we can't curse? And by curse, you know what I mean. No semantics, please.
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What is the definition of taking God's name in vain?
When I happen to---on rare occasions--use the phrase, "G**d***it to G**d*** hell" , am I using God's name in vain?
I actually want that hammer/nail/wrench damned to hell.
I think the phrase can only be considered "in vain" because the hammer/nail/wrench doesn't immediately disappear into hell.
 
Superfly said:
95% of our conversations don't give grace to others. Doesn't mean they're bad to say.

I fixed fried chicken for dinner tonight. That doesn't give grace to others, but it's not wrong to say.
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Superfly said:
I mean, other than, of course, taking God's name in vain, where does it say that we can't curse? And by curse, you know what I mean. No semantics, please.
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Paul wrote a letter to the church in Colossae chiding them and telling them they ought to take steps to change their image in the community. Paul wanted them to stop beating their wives, stop using obscene language and just generally act like Ned Flanders.

If you're not an ancient Collosian then don't sweat it, Paul wasn't talking to you anyways.
 
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