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Abortion on Christian Grounds

tosca1 said:
You're definitely not getting it. That first statement is the dead give-away.....so I didn't bother reading the rest of your post.

You should go back and read all the consecutive grounds....and please understand what you read.
It's like talking to a brickwall with you. If you still don't get them, what more can I say?

And if you still disagree, free will, I suppose.

Bye-bye Jerry.
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Going against truth should be like going against a brick wall. Thank you for the compliment.
 
Jerry said:
Yes, please don't argue like a child. Please argue like an adult by addressing points, vetting source material, making counter points, and providing source material of your own.
Jesus dismisses 'eye for an eye' law so your passage is not relevant to this discussion. It's fair to agree that the unborn is a "life", but abortion it is not murder. If abortion were murder then God would have proscribed the death penalty for it.
You were asking for religious reasons behind abortion. To my knowledge the desire to abort is unrelated to religious motivations.
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Is abortion not motivated by selfishness? "I'm not ready to have a baby" "This will mess up my life" And the more sinister "it isn't fair to my unborn child to let him/her live"

When is abortion ever good and not selfish?
 
Cable said:
Is abortion not motivated by selfishness? "I'm not ready to have a baby" "This will mess up my life" And the more sinister "it isn't fair to my unborn child to let him/her live"

When is abortion ever good and not selfish?
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Where did I say abortion wasn't selfish? Did you quote the wrong person?
 
Cable said:
Is abortion not motivated by selfishness? "I'm not ready to have a baby" "This will mess up my life" And the more sinister "it isn't fair to my unborn child to let him/her live"

When is abortion ever good and not selfish?
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When it saves the life and/or health of the woman who has it for one.
 
Cable said:
That was half of my question.
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Then you'll have to restate your whole question and only expect an answer if the question is on topic. I'm not terribly concerned with damning people for being selfish because no woman currently concidering abortion is going to read this thread and think "I didn't want the rapist's child but there's 2 anons on teh internetz who would think I'm selfish and so I'll have the baby instead".
 
tosca1 said:
A discussion with a Christian elder led to the issues of abortion and gay marriage. To my surprise, he stated that, "the pages are blank" on those issues - meaning they're not in the Bible. It is true. Nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly state, "Thou shalt not abort"....but I don't think the pages are blank. So I did my own research. THE PAGES ARE INDEED NOT BLANK! Here are the results.

This elderly is a good man with good intentions, doing his own ministry of visiting state penitentiaries, actively doing his part in spreading not only the gospel, but compassion and kindness. I pray to be blessed with the same dedication and perseverance.

I wrestled with myself whether I should inform him of my findings....even now, I still don't know if I should.

His view about those issues is however not unique. There are Christians who share the same view.

This thread is for my brothers and sisters in Christ. It is written with love, and in the spirit of sharing. I do hope you share them with others. The pages are not blank. We just need glasses to see.
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Women have miscarriages, is that "God" forcing an abortion?
 
beefheart said:
Women have miscarriages, is that "God" forcing an abortion?
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What a silly question.

What is a miscarriage? What is abortion? Do you know the difference between the two?
Are miscarriages all deliberately induced?

That's like saying God made you bump your head on the door because you're foolish enough not to look where you're going. :lol:

How do we know that God is behind all miscarriages? He knows it will happen (since He knows everything).
But knowing about something is quite different from perpetrating it to happen. We don't know.




God is outside His law! He is the CREATOR!
He has His own reasons and purpose....which we cannot know, since we don't have the capacity to understand Him.

To place God to the level of His creation is an argument that's based on pure ignorance - showing a lack of concept of God, and a lack of understanding of the Scriptures.

There is such a thing called Bible Study, you know.
 
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tosca1 said:
What a silly question.

What is a miscarriage? What is abortion? Do you know the difference between the two?
Are miscarriages all deliberately induced?

That's like saying God made you bump your head on the door because you're foolish enough not to look where you're going. :lol:

How do we know that God is behind all miscarriages? He knows it will happen (since He knows everything).
But knowing about something is quite different from perpetrating it to happen. We don't know.




God is outside His law! He is the CREATOR!
He has His own reasons and purpose....which we cannot know, since we don't have the capacity to understand Him.

To place God to the level of His creation is an argument that's based on pure ignorance - showing a lack of concept of God, and a lack of understanding of the Scriptures.

There is such a thing called Bible Study, you know.
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Nothing silly about it. Miscarriages happen (not induced by the pregnant mother, or anyone else) , and god causes all things to happen, ergo, god causes abortions. All the bold print isn't gonna change that.

Logic
 
Jerry said:
Then you'll have to restate your whole question and only expect an answer if the question is on topic. I'm not terribly concerned with damning people for being selfish because no woman currently concidering abortion is going to read this thread and think "I didn't want the rapist's child but there's 2 anons on teh internetz who would think I'm selfish and so I'll have the baby instead".
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Some want truth. Others just have an agenda.
 
Cable said:
Some want truth. Others just have an agenda.
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Oh I defiantly have an agenda, that's no secret.

  1. Make as much money as I can (my boss is actually sending me home early today because I have "to many hours"....I didn't know such a thing existed).
  2. Daily: work on cardio, control diet, study for CDL, call my boys.
  3. Finish degree.
  4. Move closer to boys.
  5. Be the best dad I know how to be.

So that's my complete agenda. Everything else is just me killing time.
 
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