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Jesus Vs Muhammad [W:28,76]

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I know I know...not another 1. I just want to see something. Watch this video and tell me what you think.



I know I know...why would I unleash this upon you all? Idk. Some men just want to watch the forums burn.
 
I know I know...not another 1. I just want to see something. Watch this video and tell me what you think.



I know I know...why would I unleash this upon you all? Idk. Some men just want to watch the forums burn.






I think that you are probably not a Muslim.

Did I guess right?
 
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Advance warning to all: this is the Religion forum. It is reserved for the civil discussion of theistic issues. It is not for generalized religion bashing or excessive bashing of any particular religion. Discussion of specifics of a particular religion are acceptible if done in a civil and respectful manner... but there is a fine line. Take heed not to cross it.
 
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I know I know...not another 1. I just want to see something. Watch this video and tell me what you think.



I know I know...why would I unleash this upon you all? Idk. Some men just want to watch the forums burn.


The fact that the Koran is not, in fact, a "book of peace" should be obvious to anyone with even a cursory understanding of the text. Violence, conflict, and conquest have characterized the Islamic religion from its very beginnings. Irreverent tone aside, I applaud the video for having the courage to say so.

Literally no comparison can be made between the teachings of Muhammed in the Koran and Jesus in the New Testament. They aren't even remotely on the same level.

Even if he was not God, one cannot deny that Jesus was a man of peace trying to change the world on a fundamental philosophical level that was ages ahead of his time. Muhammed, by way of contrast, was a rough and tumble merchant turned tribal warlord. His interests had always primarily fallen within the material, rather than spiritual, realms, and this trend continued well into his religious ascendancy.
 
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The fact that the Koran is not, in fact, a "book of peace" should be obvious to anyone with even a cursory understanding of the text. Violence, conflict, and conquest have characterized the Islamic religion from its very beginnings. Irreverent tone aside, I applaud the video for having the courage to say so.

Literally no comparison can be made between the teachings of Muhammed in the Koran and Jesus in the New Testament. They aren't even remotely on the same level.

Even if he was not God, one cannot deny that Jesus was a man of peace trying to change the world on a fundamental philosophical level that was ages ahead of his time. Muhammed, by way of contrast, was a rough and tumble merchant turned tribal warlord. His interests had always primarily fallen within the material, rather than spiritual, realms, and this trend continued well into his religious ascendancy.

Ok, but what about the old testament? I think the God of the old testament is similar to the God of the Koran. Genocide, etc.
 
Ok, but what about the old testament? I think the God of the old testament is similar to the God of the Koran. Genocide, etc.

Perhaps, but you also have to keep in mind that there are massive sections of the Old Testament which do not even really directly concern religious dogma. The Old Testament is rougly only half legitimate religious document, with the other half being devoted to a highly generous and even blatantly propagandistic retelling of the self-written history of the Jewish people.

It is sort of to be expected that many of these sections detail Jews "kicking ass and taking names" in a fashion which ancient readers would have found to be enthralling. It is also to be expected that what ancient audiences would find enthralling is going to sound rather brutal and cold hearted to modern ears.

However, even then, it is worth noting that the Old Testament Bible shows many of its greatest acts of vengence being accomplished by God himself (i.e. the ten plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah, etca), rather than human beings. It also maintains a fairly consistent moral code throughout.

The Kings and people of Israel are repeatedly punished for the immoral actions (murder, theft, adultery, ecta) they commit. The Koran, by way of contrast, seems to give Muhammed almost universal moral license with regard to his personal actions.
 
Take heed not to cross it.

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Perhaps, but you also have to keep in mind that there are massive sections of the Old Testament which do not even really directly concern religious dogma. The Old Testament is rougly only half legitimate religious document, with the other half being devoted to a highly generous and even blatantly propagandistic retelling of the self-written history of the Jewish people.

It is sort of to be expected that many of these sections detail Jews "kicking ass and taking names" in a fashion which ancient readers would have found to be enthralling. It is also to be expected that what ancient audiences would find enthralling is going to sound rather brutal and cold hearted to modern ears.

However, even then, it is worth noting that the Old Testament Bible shows many of its greatest acts of vengence being accomplished by God himself (i.e. the ten plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah, etca), rather than human beings. It also maintains a fairly consistent moral code throughout.

The Kings and people of Israel are repeatedly punished for the immoral actions (murder, theft, adultery, ecta) they commit. The Koran, by way of contrast, seems to give Muhammed almost universal moral license with regard to his personal actions.

It's strange that while Judaism introduced the codified hatred of homosexuals into the world, there are no definitively queer Jews in the Bible...................
 
Maybe in that era, there weren't too many people and reproduction seemed paramount to them. I'm guessing conditions were hard and lifespans were short (other than the ones of legend). So masturbation and homosexuality were definitely a waste of good sperm.

I wasn't there but it's a reasonable guess.
It's strange that while Judaism introduced the codified hatred of homosexuals into the world, there are no definitively queer Jews in the Bible...................
 
Maybe in that era, there weren't too many people and reproduction seemed paramount to them. I'm guessing conditions were hard and lifespans were short (other than the ones of legend). So masturbation and homosexuality were definitely a waste of good sperm.

I wasn't there but it's a reasonable guess.

My observation is that there is an advocacy for murdering people who you blatantly act as if don't exist...........Doo Doo Doo..... Sounds like creepy ass psycho thinking to me........................
 
What on earth are you talking about?


My observation is that there is an advocacy for murdering people who you blatantly act as if don't exist...........Doo Doo Doo..... Sounds like creepy ass psycho thinking to me........................
 
The moment of the rose and the moment of the yew tree are identical in duration.



Never walked a mile in someone else's shoes ?...........................
 
Perhaps, but you also have to keep in mind that there are massive sections of the Old Testament which do not even really directly concern religious dogma. The Old Testament is rougly only half legitimate religious document, with the other half being devoted to a highly generous and even blatantly propagandistic retelling of the self-written history of the Jewish people.

It is sort of to be expected that many of these sections detail Jews "kicking ass and taking names" in a fashion which ancient readers would have found to be enthralling. It is also to be expected that what ancient audiences would find enthralling is going to sound rather brutal and cold hearted to modern ears.

However, even then, it is worth noting that the Old Testament Bible shows many of its greatest acts of vengence being accomplished by God himself (i.e. the ten plagues, Sodom and Gomorrah, etca), rather than human beings. It also maintains a fairly consistent moral code throughout.

The Kings and people of Israel are repeatedly punished for the immoral actions (murder, theft, adultery, ecta) they commit. The Koran, by way of contrast, seems to give Muhammed almost universal moral license with regard to his personal actions.

I believe we were talking about the "inherent" violence in the religion. The OT openly advocates racism and genocide. Judaism and Islam are about the same when it comes to advocating violence.
 
Jesus Vs Muhammad

I believe we were talking about the "inherent" violence in the religion. The OT openly advocates racism and genocide. Judaism and Islam are about the same when it comes to advocating violence.

The purpose was to compare Jesus and Muhammad though. Mainly for the purpose of opening a discussion that the faith of Christianity and Islam are inherently different at their core. The conclusion that the 2 religions (Islam and Christianity) are similar is inherently false.

The conclusion that the followers are similar is a different argument and the discussion I seek to have. I just want to advocate that the religions differ.
 
The purpose was to compare Jesus and Muhammad though. Mainly for the purpose of opening a discussion that the faith of Christianity and Islam are inherently different at their core. The conclusion that the 2 religions (Islam and Christianity) are similar is inherently false.

But Judaism and Islam are.

The conclusion that the followers are similar is a different argument and the discussion I seek to have. I just want to advocate that the religions differ.

Well in practice Christian nations are much more violent than Muslims nations. How many nations has Iran invaded in the last 50 years compared to America? How many have they bombed?

The United States is a rogue nation.
 
The purpose was to compare Jesus and Muhammad though. Mainly for the purpose of opening a discussion that the faith of Christianity and Islam are inherently different at their core. The conclusion that the 2 religions (Islam and Christianity) are similar is inherently false.

The conclusion that the followers are similar is a different argument and the discussion I seek to have. I just want to advocate that the religions differ.

If you are going to assume atrocity and barbarism of old testament is old orders of God and completely unrelated to how christians should act today, then it can be argued that most of Quran's barbarism is God's orders to muslims of Muhammad's time and unrelated to the modern ones.

I think any real debate on comparison of these two religions should be about how their followers believe they should morally act in the name of these religions. Under such circumstance I believe contemporary Christianity is better but only barely better than Islam.
 
Well in practice Christian nations are much more violent than Muslims nations. How many nations has Iran invaded in the last 50 years compared to America? How many have they bombed?

The United States is a rogue nation.

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And how many genocides has the United States committed recently in comparison to the Muslim world? How many atrocities? How many war crimes and blatant human rights violations?

Do you actually have anything meaningful to add here, or is it all just empty rhetoric?
 
Jesus Vs Muhammad

But Judaism and Islam are.



Well in practice Christian nations are much more violent than Muslims nations. How many nations has Iran invaded in the last 50 years compared to America? How many have they bombed?

The United States is a rogue nation.

1) I'm not concerned with Judaism.

2) I mean "not concerned with the followers."

3) The United States is NOT a Christian nation...it is a secular nation. Of that there is no question. If you want to have that argument go to the political arena...same with the "rogue nation" stuff.
 
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And how many genocides has the United States committed recently in comparison to the Muslim world? How many atrocities? How many war crimes and blatant human rights violations?

Several. The Iraq War, Afghanistan war, drug war, etc.

Do you actually have anything meaningful to add here, or is it all just empty rhetoric?

I didn't realize you were having a meaningful discussion, when did that begin?
 
1) I'm not concerned with Judaism.

2) I mean "not concerned with the followers."

3) The United States is NOT a Christian nation...it is a secular nation. Of that there is no question. If you want to have that argument go to the political arena...same with the "rogue nation" stuff.

A secular nation that is majority Christian, with all key leadership positions being occupied by Christians.
 
Several. The Iraq War, Afghanistan war, drug war, etc.

I would suggest that look into the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, or Iranian human wave tactics. You just might learn something about "atrocity," troll.

I didn't realize you were having a meaningful discussion, when did that begin?

You're a drooling moron. I'll get infracted for saying so, but it's worth it.
 
I would suggest that look into the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, Saddam's gassing of the Kurds, or Iranian human wave tactics. You just might learn something about "atrocity," troll.

The Iran-Iraq war was largely funded by the United States, so we have an equal part in the blame for that. Also, who cares if Saddam invades Kuwait? What does that have to do with the United States again?

You're a drooling moron. I'll get infracted for saying so, but it's worth it.

With "arguments" like this, how could I disagree?
 
The Iran-Iraq war was largely funded by the United States, so we have an equal part in the blame for that.

Absolute nonsense. We funded the Iranians as well.

Just because we sold both sides military equipment, does not mean that we bear responsibility for their actions.

Also, who cares if Saddam invades Kuwait? What does that have to do with the United States again?

Unsurprisingly, you are ignorant of historical reality. Iraqi forces went on an absolute spree of rape, pillage, and slaughter during their occupation of Kuwait City.

Such brutality is still common in the Middle East. This is not the case in the West.

With "arguments" like this, how could I disagree?

I'm sorry, were we having an "argument?"
 
Jesus Vs Muhammad

If you are going to assume atrocity and barbarism of old testament is old orders of God and completely unrelated to how christians should act today, then it can be argued that most of Quran's barbarism is God's orders to muslims of Muhammad's time and unrelated to the modern ones.

I think any real debate on comparison of these two religions should be about how their followers believe they should morally act in the name of these religions. Under such circumstance I believe contemporary Christianity is better but only barely better than Islam.

1) I almost addressed this point, but I figured someone would bring it up soon enough. The "Old Testament" is essentially the "old covenant." Earthly law on how to be a "good Jewish person." It defined sin and outlined punishment.

Jesus came and with the crucifixion, fulfilled the "old covenant." He bore the sins of all and bore the punishment. He brought a "New Covenant" and that was to believe in him and to love others as he loved us. I know this is the short version, but that is Jesus.

2) The point of the video and my discussion is to highlight the key players in both religions. The MVPs if you will. Jesus and Muhammad. I want to talk about the core concept of both religions. What do you think both are about?

And do you ACTUALLY believe contemporary Christianity is only "slightly" better? This is actually big discussion about both sides' believers. It isn't bad to admit that Islam is due for a change. Christianity has already gone through a reformation. We are like 700 years ahead of Islam in that aspect.

Christianity is still in a state of flux. I mean to discuss the "evil Christian menace" is basically to discuss only a small group of beliefs that are even now in change. Homosexuals are starting to become members of certain denominations. There are very few abortion bombers, and nobody will really side with Phelps anymore. The Christian change is loaded with political crap. It actually worries me to see politics infiltrate the Church (Israel is a big deal actually...same with guns, etc.). That is actually an issue that likely faces Islam, but the question is how do they approach it within their Mosques? That is for them, not me. I am concerned with the 2 faith's head guy.
 
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