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Facing Uncomfortable Truths

some atheist are really just claiming to be atheist, which in truth, doesn't make them one.

Well, superficially, if someone says he does not believe in gods, we have to take his word for it. But when we say "atheism", it does suggest certain system of thought behind the declaration, doesn't it? If someone had never been exposed to the idea of gods, he does into bellieve in them, but we hardly would call him an "atheist".

When atheism is a natural outcome of skepticism, empirical approach, "scientific method", if you will - that's what I would call "real atheism". But there are also other forms. In the same Soviet Union, you were, basically, required to believe, fanatically and blindly, that there's no God - and believe in many bizarre and illogical things along the way. I wouldn't call that "atheism". I would call it a State-enforced mental disorder.
 
Does this guy's opinion deminsh the God of the believers?

Do they think God needs their defense?

If He does, than He's not God.
 
Very interesting. An acknowledge atheist promoting that some atheist are really just claiming to be atheist, which in truth, doesn't make them one.

In my almost-55 years of life, I have yet to meet anyone who claims to be atheistic, who has not examined the issue seriously, and has not explored various avenues in the arena of religion and religious thought.
 
Does this guy's opinion deminsh the God of the believers?

Do they think God needs their defense?

If He does, than He's not God.

It doesn't diminish God in the least. It makes Dawkins look like a coward.
 
In my almost-55 years of life, I have yet to meet anyone who claims to be atheistic, who has not examined the issue seriously, and has not explored various avenues in the arena of religion and religious thought.

This has been my lifelong observation too, Lizzie.
 
I always thought it was odd how atheist hate Christianity but are pretty tolerant of other religions.

This is not the case. I'm a reconstructionist pagan and that kind of atheists are even bigger assholes to me. Apparently, all religions are ridiculous fictions, but the religion of my ancestors is even more ridiculous.

**** them. Worthless bigoted trash.
 
Richard Dawkins "Islam Is One Of The Great Evils In The World"

 
Richard Dawkins "Islam Is One Of The Great Evils In The World"



So when was this done? If it was after the original interview of this post, that says allot about his character. If it was before, then he is not only a coward, but a liar as well.

The article date is February 24, 2013. The Video was uploaded in JAN of 2011. What does this tell you?
 
Difference between Islam and the god described by Islam. One can consider the former a threat without having any knowledge whatsoever of the latter-- as do a great many Christians who've never read the Koran.
 
Difference between Islam and the god described by Islam. One can consider the former a threat without having any knowledge whatsoever of the latter-- as do a great many Christians who've never read the Koran.

I agree with that statement. I try not to judge God by his fan club. Reason being we are human and corrupt everything we touch.
 
It doesn't diminish God in the least. It makes Dawkins look like a coward.


Whenever I run across Dawkins and the like, I always turn to the words of Francis Bacon.

"It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion."
 
Let's imagine that there are one million Muslims willing to do such things, which is a wild exaggeration, that would still be .05% of all Muslims. That's point zero five.

What are the odds that a USA resident will be the victim of Muslim terrorist violence? That's hard to determine because the odds are so miniscule.

Now how many Christians in the USA support oppression of gays? 11%-51% depending on how you define the terms.

Remember the Janet Jackson nipple incident? It was nearly all Christians that successfully pressured the FCC and legislators to increase the amount of broadcast censorship in the wake of thatincident.

Christians are much more of a threat to many USA residents freedom and safety than Muslims.

I'll try again. Christians pressured the FCC. Muslims would have drug Janet into the street and stoned her to death, You hate Christians more than Muslims because.....
 
I'll try again. Christians pressured the FCC. Muslims would have drug Janet into the street and stoned her to death, You hate Christians more than Muslims because.....

He already spelled it out for you in plain letters: extremist Muslims may be more violent, but extremist Christians are more of a threat. My odds of being killed in an Islamic terrorist attack are negligible; my odds of losing my job or having my children taken away by a Christian employer or judge are very goddamned real.
 
He already spelled it out for you in plain letters: extremist Muslims may be more violent, but extremist Christians are more of a threat. My odds of being killed in an Islamic terrorist attack are negligible; my odds of losing my job or having my children taken away by a Christian employer or judge are very goddamned real.


Why would a Christian want to take your kid or your job?
 
I always thought it was odd how atheist hate Christianity but are pretty tolerant of other religions.

Probably has to do with the fact that the only religion trying to oppress me personally is Christianity. My liberty is under attack from Christians. And occasionally the tiny tiny population of conservative Jews. You are more of a threat to my liberty than Al Qaeda.

But no, we don't give other religions a pass. And if you ever actually listened to anything that (for example) Dawkins, Hitchins, Bill Maher, or Sam Harris ever said, you'd know that they are actually more critical of Islam than Christianity or Judaism. But that would take pesky things like facts to know, so I wouldn't expect to see it here.

I find it odd how it's ok to denigrate the entire atheist population in the Religion forum but can post no challenge to religion. Seems to me this whole "treat others as you'd like to be treated" thing would come out. But words are wind I suppose.

Uncomfortable Truth: Atheists don't need a special place where it's against the rules to hurt our feelings. Theists apparently do.

Talk to me when Christians start hijacking planes, slitting the throats of flight attendants and flying planes into buildings. Talk to me when they put on suicide vest and blow up crowds of innocent people. Until then talk to the hand as they say.

So, murdering gays doesn't count in your world?
 
So, murdering gays doesn't count in your world?

A Christian does not murder, it's kind of against the rules whereas a Muslim is supposed to kill non believers.

From the bible:

10 Commandments: Exodus 20:13
Thou Shall Not Kill

From the Quran:

Fight against them, kill, convert, or subdue them and (only if it is beneficial to Islam) force them to pay a tax that Muslims do not have to pay (9:29-35). If they refuse to pay, kill them. (Other option is slavery).
 
A Christian does not murder, it's kind of against the rules whereas a Muslim is supposed to kill non believers.

From the bible:

10 Commandments: Exodus 20:13
Thou Shall Not Kill

From the Quran:

Fight against them, kill, convert, or subdue them and (only if it is beneficial to Islam) force them to pay a tax that Muslims do not have to pay (9:29-35). If they refuse to pay, kill them. (Other option is slavery).

Deuteronomy 13:6-11

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

Literally commands you to kill anyone who even suggests worshiping another god to terrorize future dissenters into submission.

Try again.
 
Deuteronomy 13:6-11

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

Literally commands you to kill anyone who even suggests worshiping another god to terrorize future dissenters into submission.

Try again.

Christianity is based on the new testament, as in after Jesus was born and spread the gospel. Try again.
 
Christianity is based on the new testament, as in after Jesus was born and spread the gospel. Try again.

So you just completely neglect the OT? Interesting. Or is it more of a "cherry-picking" type deal?

Oh, and here's this:

Romans 1 said:
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
 
I agree with that statement. I try not to judge God by his fan club. Reason being we are human and corrupt everything we touch.

That's why I believe in god, but don't ascribe to any religious beliefs.

The bible is more like a history book than a dogma, and Im sure it's about the same with all other texts which people use the power of the lessons in order to control others....

Preach a certain text and the people will be geared up to kill, a different passage will urge surrender... There's something for everything.

I do believe that science will come to a point where science will be taken to a point that proves "god", even If only implicitly...
 
Christianity is based on the new testament, as in after Jesus was born and spread the gospel. Try again.

Not entirely true, as the creation and many other parts of the OT are in no way "superceded" by the NT. There are conflicts among many books of the bible, usually expained away as god works in mysterious ways, or some such babble.
 
i agree with the sentiment of the original post

dawkins should have the integrity and courage to be intellectually consistent
 
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