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Is Jehovah a totalitarian Lord?

Is Jehovah a totalitarian Lord?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 58.3%

  • No

    Votes: 14 38.9%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Total voters
    36
FluffyNinja said:
Okay, simple enough. Please list for me the "rules" that God has laid down for Himself and then explain to me how He's broken any of them.
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Do not kill.
 
I really enjoy how much of this thread involved redefining totalitarianism so as to disqualify god, despite it disqualifying every single human who has ever lived. I also really enjoy the cognitive dissonance involved with absolving god of responsibility for creating a universe filled with people who are inherently sinful and need to be saved, and then blaming people for working with what they've got.

I seriously don't know how anyone can do it.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Where is the specific rule that says that God is forbidden to take life? After all,............ He gives Life?
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Following the same logic, parents have the right to kill their children since they take serious part of the life giving process (giving birth to a new human being).
Oh wait, I forgot - "Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi".
 
FluffyNinja said:
Where is the specific rule that says that God is forbidden to take life? After all,............ He gives Life?
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God has promised never to attempt again to destroy the human race with water. He never said He wouldn't do it with fire, giant meteors, drought, being eaten by something, or letting us screw with DNA resulting in a race of sterile freaks, or blow ourselves up with nuclear weapons. He also never promised not to kill individual humans. He definitely is going to kill a lot of humans when Jesus returns. And, He said that a lot of people He kills will be religious people, He's not going to play favorites based on religion. .
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
God has promised never to attempt again to destroy the human race with water.
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He also promised that Adam and Eve would die if they eat the apple but see what happened instead. :boohoo:
 
Canell said:
Following the same logic, parents have the right to kill their children since they take serious part of the life giving process (giving birth to a new human being).
Oh wait, I forgot - "Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi".
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How can you compare God to humans? Why do you insist on "humanizing" the Creator? Your analogy fails.
 
AmericanWoman76 said:
God has promised never to attempt again to destroy the human race with water. He never said He wouldn't do it with fire, giant meteors, drought, being eaten by something, or letting us screw with DNA resulting in a race of sterile freaks, or blow ourselves up with nuclear weapons. He also never promised not to kill individual humans. He definitely is going to kill a lot of humans when Jesus returns. And, He said that a lot of people He kills will be religious people, He's not going to play favorites based on religion. .
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I don't choose to look at it as "kills"; but rather, "takes back" the gift of Life that He gave and we wasted. Either way, you are correct.....the end result will be the same......just makes me "feel" better to take a more optimistic outlook. :lol:
 
FluffyNinja said:
How can you compare God to humans? Why do you insist on "humanizing" the Creator?
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Well... He talks like a human, moves like a human (He is either here or there), is revenging like a human, jealous like a human, hates and loves like a human, favours like a human...
 
Canell said:
Well... He talks like a human, moves like a human (He is either here or there), is revenging like a human, jealous like a human, hates and loves like a human, favours like a human...
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I'm not sure how you've reached this conclusion. All we really know of the Father is through His Son, and this only through a veil and darkly.

Say first, of God above or Man below
What can we reason but from what we know?
Of man what see we but his station here,
From which to reason, or to which refer?
Thro' worlds unnumber'd tho' the God be known,
'Tis ours to trace him only in our own.
He who thro' vast immensity can pierce,
See worlds on worlds compose one universe,
Observe how system into system runs,
What other planets circle other suns,
What varied being peoples every star,
May tell why Heav'n has made us as we are:
But of this frame, the bearings and the ties,
The strong connexions, nice dependencies,
Gradations just, has thy pervading soul
Look'd thro'; or can a part contain the whole?

Poets' Corner - Alexander Pope - Essay on Man
 
nota bene said:
I'm not sure how you've reached this conclusion.
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Who spoke to Adam & Eve?
Who left the spot and ordered "Do not touch the apple"?
Who revenged many times in the Bible, including "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain."
Who claimed He is jealous (see the 10 Commandments)?
Who chose the Jews to be his favourites among all other people?
 
Canell said:
So, what do you think? :peace
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Ultimately, yes. God is Lord, and we are subjects.

It's more accurate to describe God as Authoritarian, however. That which He permits might easily include such behaviour as runs counter to His intentions. As far as that goes, we retain a certain autonomy. Our own lack of godhood is very often misconstrued as necessitarianism. This is fallacious, weak and self-centred. A wilful mistranslation of freedom.

A more interesting question would be: Does it matter if we're free?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
That does not make one totalitarian. Totalitarianism is when a leader or a group has complete control over public life and private life, and the subjects are totally controlled by this leader or group.
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But then, there's some considerable difference of native capacity, where we compare mortal men to God.

An earthly dictator may be resisted. Even destroyed.

God may not.
 
On further reflection, the question is inadequate to the object. God is God.

Any political appraisal begets consideration of options. Those being conspicuous here, by virtue only of their absence.
 
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