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Muslim activists aim to reclaim the word 'jihad' with ad campaign

ChezC3 said:
Well, I'm known for the impossible, must have missed that.
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If you can miss that, just think how much else of the patently obvious you've missed.
Of course, you may be Lying again.

ChezC3 said:
I did?
Oh, hahaha, I see, you suppose because I have actual knowledge about what i speak that this translates to me pulling rank. Well, it does but not as you see it. You mind taking the time to show us where I said "I'm a muslim?"
again I say good day!
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You, as usual dropped all the salient points. (not to mention the Topic you never got into)
Here they are again:

me again said:
My post was numbered for easy reply.
You whiffed again.

And let me say for the record again: ChezC3 NEVER responded to the meat whatsoever.
He tried BSing jimmitchell with a Fake Hadith while ignoring my post about the 500 year Onslaught that started Islam.
(jihad was, of course, Violent if you didn't miss 700-1200 AD)

Then, in another SubstanceLess post he tried to pull "I'm a Muslim" rank/intimidate, as well as say my source which contained extensive and exclusively good Hadiths was 'zionist' but conspicuously didn't say Anything On Topic or refute it in ANY way.
Nada.
Never anything On Topic (jihad) except to unwittingly concede the Ummah was under stress.
Since then it's been all chatter to cover his nonsense/empty posts.
Perhaps he'd like to have some neutral source referee the last page? I would. KO in round/post 1 or 2, before we even got to this page.
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So that's the way we stand.
You Baiting and still Unable to tackle the Topic, Violent Jihad. No substance, just juvenile last-wording.
Just now adding... Lying ... about "good day" the first time and probably about missing jim's banning too.

I won't be responding to your Empty baits any more.
However, if you EVER make an on topic post instead of dodging and baiting, I will reply.
No chance, as we both know it's over/never started: Jihad WAS a violent concept. (except in your lone Fake Hadith and that was your whole load)
 
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The Liberals are not doing the Muslims any favors by pretending that Muslims are just another foreign group to locate on the North American continent. Most Americans believe that all Muslims want non-Muslims converted or dead. As a result, Muslims are mistrusted, disliked and relegated to the status of Obama supporters.
 
Ray410 said:
The Liberals are not doing the Muslims any favors by pretending that Muslims are just another foreign group to locate on the North American continent. Most Americans believe that all Muslims want non-Muslims converted or dead. As a result, Muslims are mistrusted, disliked and relegated to the status of Obama supporters.
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I'm curious. Do you EVER say anything that has any basis in fact? Let's start here: please show evidence (links are required) that MOST Americans believe that ALL Muslims want non-Muslims converted or dead. Also, let's see how good you are with avoiding illogical overgeneralizations: do YOU think that ALL Muslims want non-Muslims converted or dead. And, if you do, please provide evidence (links are required) to support your position.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Read more @: Muslim activists aim to reclaim the word 'jihad' with ad campaign - CNN.com

Jihad has often been a controversial term within the Muslim community and outside of it as well. CAIR wants to state that the term means a personal struggle within their self's. I hope only the best with this campaign.
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They have about as much chance of 'taking that word back' as the guys in the movie Clerks II had in taking the word "porch-monkey" back. Not going to happen.
 
ChezC3 said:
Your post is a little vague. However as I stated in my original post 1 in 5 people on this planet claim to muslim. You've made a very bold and broad brushstroke.
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study the difference between islamist and muslim
 
Medusa said:
study the difference between islamist and muslim
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I'm aware of the distinction.

your point is what I'm unaware of.
 
I am Christian and I get it. I think it is more political preference than religion that signifies who gets "led" around.
RLN said:
I have always known that Jihad is correctly practiced as a personal struggle to the individual practicing Islam; it's an inner fight to stay within the periphery of Islam through prayer.

Sometimes it frightens me to know just how many people in the USA are led around like a dog on a leash when it comes to Christianity.
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Medusa said:
muslims dont believe in hadiths

islamists do..
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can you support this in anyway, BEYOND THE MERE ASSERTION THAT IT IS SO? Because I have never even heard such a claim made before, and you have a tendency to assert rather bizarre AND STRANGE THINGS
 
mbig said:
Not considered or factual. Just free association/simple declaration and the attempted Ruination of debate. Again.

Hadith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Usage

The Overwhelming Majority of Muslims consider Hadith to be Essential supplements to and clarifications of the Quran, Islam's holy book, as well as in clarifying issues pertaining to Islamic jurisprudence. Ibn al-Salah, a hadith specialist, described the relationship between hadith and other aspect of the religion by saying: "It is the science most pervasive in respect to the other sciences in their various branches, in particular to jurisprudence being the most important of them."[13] "The intended meaning of 'other sciences' here are those pertaining to religion," explains Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, "Quranic exegesis, hadith, and jurisprudence. The science of hadith became the most pervasive due to the need displayed by each of these three sciences. The need hadith has of its science is apparent. As for Quranic exegesis, then the preferred manner of explaining the speech of God is by means of what has been accepted as a statement of Muhammad. The one looking to this is in need of distinguishing the acceptable from the unacceptable. Regarding jurisprudence, then the jurist is in need of citing as an evidence the acceptable to the exception of the later, something only possible utilizing the science of hadith."[4]
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are you teaching me my own religion ??

l usually see this arrogance .........

sunni islamists and some other bigots who are the followers of some sects can take them into consideration

but normal muslims are too smart to believe in them.

their guide is not wiki or hadiths ,only kuran
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
can you support this in anyway, BEYOND THE MERE ASSERTION THAT IT IS SO? Because I have never even heard such a claim made before, and you have a tendency to assert rather bizarre AND STRANGE THINGS
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what kind of claim did you hear ?

l hate when people try to teach me something which l know better than them
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Jihad has often been a controversial term within the Muslim community and outside of it as well. CAIR wants to state that the term means a personal struggle within their self's. I hope only the best with this campaign.
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I wish them good luck, but I suspect this is going to get real darn Sisyphean very quickly.
 
mbig said:
It was announced Publicly by a Mod in a post with a WARNING BOX just One post but 16 Hours+ above yours!
http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...-word-jihad-ad-campaign-4.html#post1061443393
Impossible to miss.

My post was numbered for easy reply.
You whiffed again.

And let me say for the record again: ChezC3 NEVER responded to the meat whatsoever.
He tried BSing jimmitchell with a Fake Hadith while ignoring my post about the 500 year Onslaught that started Islam.
(jihad was, of course, Violent if you didn't miss 700-1200 AD)

Then, in another SubstanceLess post he tried to pull "I'm a Muslim" rank/intimidate, as well as say my source which contained extensive and exclusively good Hadiths was 'zionist' but conspicuously didn't say Anything On Topic or refute it in ANY way.
Nada.
Never anything On Topic (jihad) except to unwittingly concede the Ummah was under stress.
Since then it's been all chatter to cover his nonsense/empty posts.
Perhaps he'd like to have some neutral source referee the last page? I would. KO in round/post 1 or 2, before we even got to this page.
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l must correct your statement

none of you are expert on islam and nobody can know which of those hadiths are fake or not

there isnt anything called " fake hadith " .because all of them can be fake.
 
Medusa said:
what kind of claim did you hear ?
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I have never heard that only Islamists consider the hadiths

Medusa said:
l hate when people try to teach me something which l know better than them
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1) you seem to expose your general ignorance on a daily basis here. So I would really loath to look at you as an expert on anything

2) Islam, like all religions, can be pretty liberally interpreted. So what you believe doesn't necessarily amount to what "muslims" believe
 
I don't claim to be a Muslim scholar but I have read enough to proffer the idea that Islam, when the Prophet was alive, was as much a plan for war as a proper religion. And jihad meant Holy War in those days.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I have never heard that only Islamists consider the hadiths



1) you seem to expose your general ignorance on a daily basis here. So I would really loath to look at you as an expert on anything

2) Islam, like all religions, can be pretty liberally interpreted. So what you believe doesn't necessarily amount to what "muslims" believe
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l am not expert either but you must admit l experienced it at first hand and have much more knowledge about it than many of you have!

you are being a little funny claiming l am ignorant of this religion

l never make moronic claims on christianity because l know much about it


l suggest you do the same thing

islamist and muslim are tow different things.

radical bigot sects ( they are mostly sunni islamists ) claim hadiths are teh real source of islam.yes they dont even accept what god says in kuran and prefer to take these so called hadiths as a basis for their totalitarian bigotry.

it seems many of you dont differ from islamists in believing these hadiths
 
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Medusa said:
muslims dont believe in hadiths

islamists do..
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Huh? You have some "Quran only" muslims but to say what you said, I'm sorry, but I'd have to disagree. Judging by your location, am I to guess that this is where you lie?

What I mean is are you Muslim? and if so are you a "Quran only" muslim? Do you follow a madhab? Hanafi, Shafi'i. Maliki, Hanbali? or perhaps a lesser followed school? Or are you shia? a 12'ver? Ishmaili?

It's hard to really respond to you when I'm only getting one sentence responses...:shrug:
 
ChezC3 said:
Huh? You have some "Quran only" muslims but to say what you said, I'm sorry, but I'd have to disagree. Judging by your location, am I to guess that this is where you lie?

What I mean is are you Muslim? and if so are you a "Quran only" muslim? Do you follow a madhab? Hanafi, Shafi'i. Maliki, Hanbali? or perhaps a lesser followed school? Or are you shia? a 12'ver? Ishmaili?

It's hard to really respond to you when I'm only getting one sentence responses...:shrug:
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no need to lie

people who are the followers of some sects or who are ignorant of this religion like some of you)are either hanafi or other thing (maliki etc

but normally if a person claims to be muslim ,he must ignore those so called arabian sheiks or imams

if you really dont know about something , either search it yourself or dont try to be rude.

if you dont want to believe in me ,search it.........
 
Medusa said:
are you teaching me my own religion ??

l usually see this arrogance .........

sunni islamists and some other bigots who are the followers of some sects can take them into consideration

but normal muslims are too smart to believe in them.

their guide is not wiki or hadiths ,only kuran
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and this answers some of my questions...
:)
 
Medusa said:
no need to lie

people who are the followers of some sects or who are ignorant of this religion like some of you)are either hanafi or other thing (maliki etc

but normally if a person claims to be muslim ,he must ignore those so called arabian sheiks or imams

if you really dont know about something , either search it yourself or dont try to be rude.


if you dont want to believe in me ,search it.........
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Lie about what? Who's being rude? I've 3 masjids within 4 blocks of where I live, I don't need to go search, I'll talk with an imam or better still, my friends. Friends who'd find it very shocking to them that they are "islamists"
 
the verses which comdemn the sects

for the ones who claim to know this religion better than any muslim

. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a momentous Day! maryam 37

Of those who divided their religion and became seas every sect rejoicing in what they had with them.
ar rum 32

159. Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad ) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do. al anam 159


if you still keep insisting on your islamist points of view ,l will begin to think taht you are doing it intentioanlly


note : l am referring to everybody
 
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ChezC3 said:
Lie about what? Who's being rude? I've 3 masjids within 4 blocks of where I live, I don't need to go search, I'll talk with an imam or better still, my friends. Friends who'd find it very shocking to them that they are "islamists"
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that imam probably will lie to you

if we consider your news sources...........

imams are not very reliable people ,believe in me

not all of them are real believers or experts............

many of those are two faced bigots ignoring the verses l posted in my other post and they try to abuse ignorant people'S beliefs

l suggest you change your source of information

you dont live in a muslim society ,please dont be funny .l know lots of christians too
 
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