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Wherever Religious Belief is Waning the Society Is In Decline Also

LowDown said:
Could you make clear just what it is I'm supposed to have lied about?
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Your own graph. You argued it shows that religious activity is the cause when you deliberately left out nations that have high wealth, low birth rates, high religious activity and in many cases, no laws against atheism.

Lies of omission are still lies.
 
obvious Child said:
Clearly you've never seen Bahrain, the UAE or Saudi Arabia.



There are starving people in large numbers in Bahrain, the UAE or Saudi Arabia?

Look, lowdown making **** up again.



The sad thing is, even your own West numbers don't support your position. Religious activity and birth rates aren't correlated. Your own graph has massively wild fluctuations that show essentially little to no linkage at all. Low NB nations have the same or even lower birth rates as high NB. Identical birth rate nations have massively different NB rates. The only thing that links them all is wealth. When you look at the data I actually provide that goes back 20 years, every nation that saw a significant rise in wealth saw a significant decline in birth rates and that includes nations that are still extremely religious.

You will never deal with this because it completely and utterly destroys everything you said. You just wish to pretend I never linked it because it's easier for you to pretend what you don't like doesn't exist then actually show how it doesn't destroy you.



Yeah. Little to none.

High religious activity has in many cases lower birth rates then nation with less religious activity. By your own data.
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You're just going to ignore most of my posts, it seems. Again, as I said a couple of posts back, rich Arab nations are not included because it's illegal or dangerous to declare oneself a nonbeliever or an atheist. It messes up the data.

Turkey is said to be mostly secular, but officially they are 98% Muslim. Same with Iran. I don't think you can say with certainty that data is any good with the others.

You insist on screeching and screaming about my being dishonest because I differ with you about how this should be examined. It's not very civil of you.
 
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And with this:

GDP - per capita (PPP) vs. Total fertility rate

You're done Lowdown.

Look at the wealth past 3.73 births per woman. There are exactly 3 nations that have per capital over $7,000.

Now, look at everyone under 3 birth per woman. There are at least three dozen over $7,000 per capita.
 
LowDown said:
You're just going to ignore most of my posts, it seems. Again, as I said a couple of posts back, rich Arab nations are not included because it's illegal or dangerous to declare oneself a nonbeliever or an atheist. It messes up the data.
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You have ignored at least 85% of every rebuttal given to you in this entire thread. You have no right to ever throw that at anyone at this forum ever again.

Like Bahrain where no such laws exists? And the UAE where no such laws exist? Oops. Furthermore, it can dangerous to say you're an atheist in parts of the US as well. What are you going to do there? Toss out the US data?

Turkey is said to be mostly secular, but officially they are 98% Muslim. Same with Iran. I don't think you can say with certainty that data is any good with the others.
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The sad thing is Lowdown, even if we go with your cherry picked data, your graph is still not good. If it was religious activity, then nations with low NB should have higher birth rates over nations with high NB. Your data does not show this.
 
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