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Christianity summed up beautifully[W:28]

So you're making the distinction between "Christians" and born-again evangelical Christians? :roll:
 
spanky said:
Huh?

Burning at the stake for pagans, heretics and enemies of Christianity was the POLICY of the Holy Catholic Church. Forced conversions or DEATH was the POLICY of the Holy Catholic Church. Discrimination, retribution and harassment of the Christ killers (Jews) was the POLICY of the Holy Catholic Church. And many Protestant religions followed suit.

Maybe YOU need an agonizing reappraisal history lesson.
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The catholics were clearly violating even early christian principles, putting them in the same group as the hypocritical radicals during the time period.
 
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If you think the world's woes can be summed up in a few remarks mistaking human flaws for Christian dogma then thinking is not your strong suit.

Blaming Christianity for human violence, conflict and injustice is like blaming a car for drunk driving.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
From the book of Corinthians:

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
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I think the main message of Christianity is "Don't be a dick". It's supposed to be a religion based on love and acceptance of people for who they are, forgoing judgement (leaving it to god) and accepting all humans with open arms.
 
Ikari said:
I think the main message of Christianity is "Don't be a dick". It's supposed to be a religion based on love and acceptance of people for who they are, forgoing judgement (leaving it to god) and accepting all humans with open arms.
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Yours is a very common misconception regarding Christianity by non Christians.

Loving and serving are very different than accepting. Judgement mine and Gods are at the very center of Christianity, the idea that we are not to exercise the moral tools provided within the Christian faith is a bit silly. Christ did not accept behavior he loved in spite of it and sought to influence it.
 
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The Bible is full of examples of where people's faith is lacking, where they turn from God and act in a manner against what he has said for them to do.

Why is it then that so many people refuse to accept the idea that Christianity, or members or even its leaders, have for the last 2000 years also failed their God in similar ways and gone from the path?
 
gilbertc1908 said:
Yours is a very common misconception regarding Christianity by non Christians.

Loving and serving are very different than accepting. Judgement mine and Gods are at the very center of Christianity, the idea that we are not to exercise the moral tools provided within the Christian faith is a bit silly. Christ did not accept behavior he loved in spite of it and sought to influence it.
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I was raised and confirmed Catholic, I went to Catholic school for quite some time, they seemed to be more along my line of thinking. Don't be a dick. You are, of course, free to be a dick; it's just not very Christ like.
 
spanky said:
That's a good one, we could do weeks on angels coming down from heaven and raping the poor human women.

But it's right there in the Bible.

BTW - I think they're beautiful as well. God forgive me.
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Or you could just post "I HATE CHRISTIANS" in 7 size type. It states the "sons of God" married the women - which you alter to "rape."
 
joko104 said:
Or you could just post "I HATE CHRISTIANS" in 7 size type. It states the "sons of God" married the women - which you alter to "rape."
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No, it says they took them as wives, all they wanted. The concept of "wives" was a bit different then, the women rarely had a choice.

BTW - Can you tell us the difference between "Sons of God" as opposed to "son and daughters of men"?
 
Ikari said:
I was raised and confirmed Catholic, I went to Catholic school for quite some time, they seemed to be more along my line of thinking. Don't be a dick. You are, of course, free to be a dick; it's just not very Christ like.
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I did the same. Baptized, raised, confirmed Catholic. I'd say it's more "don't be a dick ... unless we interpret the Bible in a way that says a group is wrong.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I did the same. Baptized, raised, confirmed Catholic. I'd say it's more "don't be a dick ... unless we interpret the Bible in a way that says a group is wrong.
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My Catholic upbringing I think seemed a lot more inclusive. The claim was that Catholics cannot say how many people are in hell cause they don't know, even Hitler could be forgiven by God and they are not God, so they don't know; sort of thing. Perhaps it was just upbringing, but I've been most sympathetic towards Catholicism and I would say that if I were able to believe in a god, I'd likely be Catholic.
 
Ikari said:
My Catholic upbringing I think seemed a lot more inclusive. The claim was that Catholics cannot say how many people are in hell cause they don't know, even Hitler could be forgiven by God and they are not God, so they don't know; sort of thing. Perhaps it was just upbringing, but I've been most sympathetic towards Catholicism and I would say that if I were able to believe in a god, I'd likely be Catholic.
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Meh, almost every Catholic I've talked to denounces some aspect of the Bible and then the Church itself. Most don't even really subscribe to Catholic dogma.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Meh, almost every Catholic I've talked to denounces some aspect of the Bible and then the Church itself. Most don't even really subscribe to Catholic dogma.
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I think it's because Catholicism more than any other sect of Christianity does encourage people to think about their beliefs. People do question quite a bit, and there are parts of the Church some are upset with; though they will support the organization as a whole.

I don't know, as I said it can be (and likely is) due to upbringing. I was raised Catholic, so I probably have the most sympathy towards it because of that.
 
Ikari said:
I think it's because Catholicism more than any other sect of Christianity does encourage people to think about their beliefs. People do question quite a bit, and there are parts of the Church some are upset with; though they will support the organization as a whole.
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I can't understand why you'd support an organization you disagreed with. :shrug:

I don't know, as I said it can be (and is) due to upbringing. I was raised Catholic, so I probably have the most sympathy towards it because of that.
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Could be. I was raised Catholic, too and, while I don't target Catholcism, it's the one I'm most knowledgable about probably.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I can't understand why you'd support an organization you disagreed with. :shrug:.
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I strongly disagree with the government on almost all major issues. Yet I have not yet picked up gun and started shooting. For as bad as things are, the Republic is still salvageable.
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I can't understand why you'd support an organization you disagreed with. :shrug:.
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I strongly disagree with the government on almost all major issues. Yet I have not yet picked up gun and started shooting. For as bad as things are, the Republic is still salvageable.
 
Ikari said:
I strongly disagree with the government on almost all major issues. Yet I have not yet picked up gun and started shooting. For as bad as things are, the Republic is still salvageable.
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Third time's a charm! ;)

But do you support the government or hope it will change?
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Third time's a charm! ;)

But do you support the government or hope it will change?
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By not revolting, I am giving the government my consent. So it would be support. I move to change the system though, as I do not like the current incarnation.
 
Ikari said:
By not revolting, I am giving the government my consent. So it would be support. I move to change the system though, as I do not like the current incarnation.
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I guess we'll agree to disagree then
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
I guess we'll agree to disagree then
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Perhaps. All government derives it legitimacy through the consent of the governed. If I lend my consent to the government I support its legitimacy. By not taking arms, I give that consent.
 
Ikari said:
Perhaps. All government derives it legitimacy through the consent of the governed. If I lend my consent to the government I support its legitimacy. By not taking arms, I give that consent.
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What about "sleepers," though?
 
Ikari said:
As in?
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Citizens scheming against the government and waiting to capitalize. You always here reports about those militias and people who live "off the grid."
 
zgoldsmith23 said:
Citizens scheming against the government and waiting to capitalize. You always here reports about those militias and people who live "off the grid."
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I think being prepared is not quite the same as acting. But I'm sure there are exceptions.
 
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