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What happened to people who lived before Christ?

Tonawanda

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The bible was written in several languages and translated a couple of times to get to the English version. In addition to that, even among Christians who accept the written word, there are different interpretations of it. Heck, we can all read a paragraph in the same language, and come away with totally different interpretations. So, if you believe in the literal words of the bible, what happened to the souls of people who never accepted Christ?

I've discussed this issue a couple of times and the only response I get is something to the effect "if you reject the bible, you reject Jesus", and of course numerous quotes and passages from the bible which I'm not that familiar with. People seem reluctant to say they went to hell, but insist there is only heaven or hell after death. It just doesn't make sense to me that those poor souls went to hell or nowhere at all.

If you don't follow the teachings in the bible, but do believe in God, what do you think?
 
The bible was written in several languages and translated a couple of times to get to the English version. In addition to that, even among Christians who accept the written word, there are different interpretations of it. Heck, we can all read a paragraph in the same language, and come away with totally different interpretations. So, if you believe in the literal words of the bible, what happened to the souls of people who never accepted Christ?

I've discussed this issue a couple of times and the only response I get is something to the effect "if you reject the bible, you reject Jesus", and of course numerous quotes and passages from the bible which I'm not that familiar with. People seem reluctant to say they went to hell, but insist there is only heaven or hell after death. It just doesn't make sense to me that those poor souls went to hell or nowhere at all.

If you don't follow the teachings in the bible, but do believe in God, what do you think?

The same thing that happens to non-Christians now. There are now three "volumes" to the bible, the old testament, the new testament and the book of mormon. The concept of god, heaven and hell are hardly restricted to Christians.
 
They died. Was a long time ago!
 
When I was in college the Jesus freaks use to come over to peoples tables during finals and talk to us about God, whether they were invited or not. SPecial dispenstation I guess. After a while a bunch of us got sick of it and thought up some questions to ask them. Then if they did not answer correctly, per the BIBLE they were told in a loud voice to leave. If they did not they were humiliated for their answers.

Question 1 - Do Jews go to heaven??
Question 2 - What are the 11th and 12th commandments.
Question 3 - If Adam and Eve were the first people, who was the woman that Cain married in the land of Nod?
Question 4 - Who Killed Jesus
Question 5 - What was Jesus' real name?

Granted the last two questions are toughies for some but a true person of biblical knowledge would know this.

As far as the OP goes. If they accepted a singlle power greater than themselves its all good.
 
god says in qoran that they were not held responsible for the books and prophets that they didnt experience and see
 
The same thing that happens to non-Christians now. There are now three "volumes" to the bible, the old testament, the new testament and the book of mormon. The concept of god, heaven and hell are hardly restricted to Christians.

I don't think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers the Book of Mormon an actual part of the Bible....at least not the ones I have spoken with about that particular subject.
 
god says in qoran that they were not held responsible for the books and prophets that they didnt experience and see



Essentially correct. Later scripture spoke of Noah being "justified by faith".



Today the Christian faith looks back towards the incarnate Savior. In OT times, people of faith looked forward towards a redemption even if they did not yet know who or how.


For example, Jesus spoke of Abraham being in Paradise.
 
I don't think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers the Book of Mormon an actual part of the Bible....at least not the ones I have spoken with about that particular subject.

correct, it is an additional testimony of Christ, not part of the Bible...
 
I live my life as good as I reasonably can. If there is indeed an after life and I end up in Hell because I didn't follow certain rules that a mafia hit man did follow, confession to be exact , then f*** Heaven, Ill take Hell. Fortunately I don't believe that's the way it works.
 
Question 1 - Do Jews go to heaven?? They own heaven.
Question 2 - What are the 11th and 12th commandments. Buy Low and Sell High
Question 3 - If Adam and Eve were the first people, who was the woman that Cain married in the land of Nod? A local bar-girl named Sugarplum
Question 4 - Who Killed Jesus - Hard to say but it was obviously God's plan
Question 5 - What was Jesus' real name - Josh - Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal: Christopher Moore: 9780380813810: Amazon.com: Books

When I was in college the Jesus freaks use to come over to peoples tables during finals and talk to us about God, whether they were invited or not. SPecial dispenstation I guess. After a while a bunch of us got sick of it and thought up some questions to ask them. Then if they did not answer correctly, per the BIBLE they were told in a loud voice to leave. If they did not they were humiliated for their answers.

Question 1 - Do Jews go to heaven??
Question 2 - What are the 11th and 12th commandments.
Question 3 - If Adam and Eve were the first people, who was the woman that Cain married in the land of Nod?
Question 4 - Who Killed Jesus
Question 5 - What was Jesus' real name?

Granted the last two questions are toughies for some but a true person of biblical knowledge would know this.

As far as the OP goes. If they accepted a singlle power greater than themselves its all good.
 
The bible was written in several languages and translated a couple of times to get to the English version. In addition to that, even among Christians who accept the written word, there are different interpretations of it. Heck, we can all read a paragraph in the same language, and come away with totally different interpretations. So, if you believe in the literal words of the bible, what happened to the souls of people who never accepted Christ?

I've discussed this issue a couple of times and the only response I get is something to the effect "if you reject the bible, you reject Jesus", and of course numerous quotes and passages from the bible which I'm not that familiar with. People seem reluctant to say they went to hell, but insist there is only heaven or hell after death. It just doesn't make sense to me that those poor souls went to hell or nowhere at all.

If you don't follow the teachings in the bible, but do believe in God, what do you think?

What happened to the people who lived before Christ? Pretty sure they're dead.
 
I have heard preachers say, when they preach John 1:1-3 :

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being...And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth...No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

That Jesus has always existed. So that kinda puts a different equation to the question, no?

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I don't think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints considers the Book of Mormon an actual part of the Bible....at least not the ones I have spoken with about that particular subject.

Whatever. It is not a replacement, so I consider it to be a supplement/addition. Perhaps you can answer the original post instead of picking on my suggestions - do non-Christians get the rewards of the Chrsitian faith, before god? BTW, Mormons are Christians - right?
 
I have heard preachers say, when they preach John 1:1-3 :

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being...And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth...No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

That Jesus has always existed. So that kinda puts a different equation to the question, no?

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My understanding from your post is that these words from the bible, as interpreted by many, establish that Jesus existed before man.

The amount of information in the link you posted establishes my concern related to the difficulty of coming up with an accurate translation of the words within the bible.

Having said that, and accepting the conclusion based on this passage, it also establishes that my question was not worded correctly. So I will try again.

Where are the souls of the people who lived and died prior to the teachings of Christ and the written word in the bible?

Please excuse my grammar/words, and question if they make any presumptions that aren’t supported by your interpretation of the bible. Thank You
 
Whatever. It is not a replacement, so I consider it to be a supplement/addition. Perhaps you can answer the original post instead of picking on my suggestions - do non-Christians get the rewards of the Chrsitian faith, before god? BTW, Mormons are Christians - right?

I wasn't 'picking' just pointing out a common misunderstanding for those who do not know. I guess one would need to read the Old Testament and reach their own conclusions about "rewards" before Christ, but I seem to recall God pre-dating him in that part of the Bible, so I am not sure what you mean by before God.

The Jews seem to believe that there is a heaven but nobody sees the inside of the gates, and the Jehovah's Witnesses seem to think from their reading of scripture that people cease to exist until Jesus returns and resurrects the faithful to live for eternity here on earth with the rest just ceasing to exist forever. I don't know the answer, so I guess it is a matter of faith. My faith does not rest on knowing answers as that is the nature of "faith". I would, however, point out that when religion doesn't know an answer to something it is considered a flaw/fallacy, but when science does not, it is considered no big deal to the atheist.
 
My understanding from your post is that these words from the bible, as interpreted by many, establish that Jesus existed before man.

The amount of information in the link you posted establishes my concern related to the difficulty of coming up with an accurate translation of the words within the bible.

Having said that, and accepting the conclusion based on this passage, it also establishes that my question was not worded correctly. So I will try again.

Where are the souls of the people who lived and died prior to the teachings of Christ and the written word in the bible?

Please excuse my grammar/words, and question if they make any presumptions that aren’t supported by your interpretation of the bible. Thank You

The logical answer is that life after death will be exactly like life before birth. Remember that? Before you were born? (Me neither.) Well, just going off of logic, that's what death will be like. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Just like before you were born. I don't remember missing being alive before I was born so most likely I will not miss life after I'm dead. Most all religions, in my opinion, is stemmed from the fear of death. The promise of an "afterlife," (to those who can psyche themselves out enough to actually believe it,) takes that fear (or "sting" as the preacher puts it,) away.

But let's put logic and the dictates of reason and reality aside and talk religion here for a minute. In the "old covenant," if you will, God gave "his people" a list of rules to follow. To assure their "salvation," all mankind had to do was follow those rules to hold his end of the rope up and God would hold the other end. When God saw that mankind was not able to follow those rules and hold up his end of the rope, He came down amongst mankind, in the form of Jesus the Christ, and established a "new covenant." Under this new covenant, God holds up one end of the rope and Jesus the Christ holds up the other end. Man now just has to try to somehow hang on in the middle.

But what happened to the people before Moses and Jesus? Well, according to the bible, the earth is only a few thousand years old so there couldn't have been too many of them to worry about. LOL!

I just love all that God smack. It's like Santa Clause for adults. Santa in a big red, furry, hugable suit. Amen?
 
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Question 1 - Do Jews go to heaven?? They own heaven.
Question 2 - What are the 11th and 12th commandments. Buy Low and Sell High
Question 3 - If Adam and Eve were the first people, who was the woman that Cain married in the land of Nod? A local bar-girl named Sugarplum
Question 4 - Who Killed Jesus - Hard to say but it was obviously God's plan
Question 5 - What was Jesus' real name - Josh - Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal: Christopher Moore: 9780380813810: Amazon.com: Books

man you got them all right I am impressed.
 
The logical answer is that life after death will be exactly like life before birth. Remember that? Before you were born? (Me neither.) Well, just going off of logic, that's what death will be like. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Just like before you were born. I don't remember missing being alive before I was born so most likely I will not miss life after I'm dead. Most all religions, in my opinion, is stemmed from the fear of death. The promise of an "afterlife," (to those who can psyche themselves out enough to actually believe it,) takes that fear (or "sting" as the preacher puts it,) away.

I'm actually inquiring about people's souls.

But let's put logic and the dictates of reason and reality aside and talk religion here for a minute. In the "old covenant," if you will, God gave "his people" a list of rules to follow. To assure their "salvation," all mankind had to do was follow those rules to hold his end of the rope up and God would hold the other end. When God saw that mankind was not able to follow those rules and hold up his end of the rope, He came down amongst mankind, in the form of Jesus the Christ, and established a "new covenant." Under this new covenant, God holds up one end of the rope and Jesus the Christ holds up the other end. Man now just has to try to somehow hang on in the middle.

Good summary.

But what happened to the people before Moses and Jesus? Well, according to the bible, the earth is only a few thousand years old so there couldn't have been too many of them to worry about. LOL!

Cute.

I just love all that God smack. It's like Santa Clause for adults. Santa in a big red, furry, hugable suit. Amen?

Nice line.

Ok, so I just have one question.

What happened to the souls of the people who lived and died before Moses and Jesus?
 
Ok, so I just have one question.

What happened to the souls of the people who lived and died before Moses and Jesus?

They were saved under another mythical religion. No worries. People have always been afraid to die and go into non-existance. There will always be some kind of fantasy religion that will spare them of such fate. I'm sure as soon as the "next" religion gets ushered in, as they do every couple of thousand of years or so, it too will assure it's followers that death is not the end of their existance. They will be told if they "believe" in whatever the religious doctrine "flavor of the day" is, their "souls" shall not perish.

And the beat goes on......
 
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They were saved under another mythical religion. No worries. People have always been afraid to die and go into non-existance. There will always be some kind of fantasy religion that will spare them of such fate. I'm sure as soon as the "next" religion gets ushered in, as they do every couple of thousand of years or so, it too will assure it's followers that death is not the end of their existance. They will be told if they "believe" in whatever the religious doctrine "flavor of the day" is, their "souls" shall not perish.

And the beat goes on......

Well, you finally give me a straight answer!:lol:
 
The same thing that happens to non-Christians now. There are now three "volumes" to the bible, the old testament, the new testament and the book of mormon. The concept of god, heaven and hell are hardly restricted to Christians.

The Book of Mormon is not a third volume of the Bible.

Before Jesus was on earth people had the Law of Moses to find forgiveness of sin. Even before then it speaks of Adam and Eve sacrificing animals and repenting of sin.
 
I got no dog in this fight but the Book of Morman is no more a third testament of the Holy Bible than L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics is a gospel.

I know a lot of people in Utah, and few movie stars scattered around here and there, would disagree with me. But seriously?

Unless, hmmmmm...

I dunno.

I mean, it was a council of men who decided what was to be the "official" holy bible in the first place. Who's to say that a council of men, somewhere in Utah, can't make the same proclaimation and amend, slice and dice, add and take away as they see fit? I guess one is just as valid as the other.

But to me, that would be like debating which versions of Star Trek were real. Captain Kirk or The Next Generation? No matter what we decided, it's still just TV.
 
“What happened to people who lived before Christ?” - Tonawanda

They went to Hades…which is not Hell as some believe it to be.

Jesus talked about it in His parable of the rich man and the poor man.

Luke 16: 19-22
“19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.

20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores

21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.

23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
Oddly enough and if to prove a point, about three weeks later Jesus raised a dead man named Lazarus from the dead and His critics were still not convinced…but I digress.

From this description we can see that Hades had two parts. One part where the saints stayed and one place where the “bad” souls went. Christ had not died yet and so Heaven was not open.

But when He died the debt of sin was paid for and I believe that Heaven was opened up to all those souls in the “good” part of Hades. Those would be the souls that had been “credited with righteousness”, like Abraham in the parable above (Genesis 15:6).

Why do I believe this? While Christ was on the cross He told one of the thieves being crucified next to Him that he would later be with Him in “Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

Also, while Hades seems to have a “hellish” part I do not believe that Hades is Hell. I don’t believe that Hell is “open” yet either?

Why?

Revelation 20:14
“Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.”

Because God tosses Hades into Hell, which is prepared for “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41).

I believe that Hell won’t be open until after the Great White Throne Judgment found in Revelation 20.

“What happened to the souls of the people who lived and died before Moses and Jesus?” - Tonawanda

As I said, before Christ people went to Hades. But before Moses, people went to…Hades.

What I don’t know is whether anyone ever went to the “hellish” part of Hades, because…

Romans 5:13
“To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.”

Paul is saying that before the law no one was accountable for their sin, although he states clearly that sin did exist before the law.

Hope this helps.
 
Ok, so I just have one question.

What happened to the souls of the people who lived and died before Moses and Jesus?

We don't know and don't need to know. What we know (if we accept the gospel) is that God is the God of mercy, of infinite mercy, and that he loves us and that he counts the fall of every sparrow, and we are worth more than many sparrows.

Parsing parables from Jesus and cherry pickng symbolic passages to pretend we understand this mystery doesn't really clarify the matter.
 
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"Parsing parables from Jesus and cherry pickng symbolic passages to pretend we understand this mystery doesn't really clarify the matter." - head of joaquin

Me?
 
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