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Pat Robertson challenges YEC

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Pat Robertson challenges creationism – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

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“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”
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Pat Robertson, the popular evangelical Christian pastor, directly challenges young earth creationism, coming close to challenging creationism itself. Will other Christian evangelicals follow suit? Does this mean evangelicalism is finally starting wise up to the facts of reality? What does this mean overall for evangelicalism, if anything?
 
I'm an evangelical Christian that believes in evolution and a Creator that set it all into motion :shrug: If anything maybe others are beginning to examine their beliefs and realize that evolution and the Bible do not clash. If anything, they complement each other.
 
It's the myopic leading the blind.
 
dyanaprajna2011 said:
Pat Robertson challenges creationism – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

From the article:


Pat Robertson, the popular evangelical Christian pastor, directly challenges young earth creationism, coming close to challenging creationism itself. Will other Christian evangelicals follow suit? Does this mean evangelicalism is finally starting wise up to the facts of reality? What does this mean overall for evangelicalism, if anything?
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My god he is starting to sound like slinky????

What is going on with the extreme right? Is it something in the water.

This guy denounces carbon dating as a hoax in the 80 and 90's He said there was no substantial proof of dinosaurs also.

Maybe he had a vision and now wants to get right?

What next Coulter acting human. Fox doing liberal news? GEZ

Getting scary folks.
 
What's amazing to me is that anyone pays any attention to Pat Robertson at all.
 
Dragonfly said:
What's amazing to me is that anyone pays any attention to Pat Robertson at all.
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I didn't, until earlier in the year when he said that marijuana should be legalized. This made me perk up my ears a little bit in his direction. Something odd is going on in his head, and I'm starting to get curious as to what that is.
 
dyanaprajna2011 said:
Pat Robertson challenges creationism – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

From the article:



Pat Robertson, the popular evangelical Christian pastor, directly challenges young earth creationism, coming close to challenging creationism itself. Will other Christian evangelicals follow suit? Does this mean evangelicalism is finally starting wise up to the facts of reality? What does this mean overall for evangelicalism, if anything?
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I don't see it changing anything. YEC clearly conflicts with measurements, and that's being acknowledged. So as religion has always done when its claim conflicts with measurements, you remove the measurable claim. So they can say it wasn't 6000 years, as that's measurable value. They just say that creationism happened, god made everything, and don't provide a time line. Now it's immeasurable again. So I don't think this means anything other than the removal of measurable claims which have been measured and found to be false.
 
Ikari said:
I don't see it changing anything. YEC clearly conflicts with measurements, and that's being acknowledged. So as religion has always done when its claim conflicts with measurements, you remove the measurable claim. So they can say it wasn't 6000 years, as that's measurable value. They just say that creationism happened, god made everything, and don't provide a time line. Now it's immeasurable again. So I don't think this means anything other than the removal of measurable claims which have been measured and found to be false.
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Except PR was very involved with the Creation Museum that hs kids skipping around Eden with Dinosaurs.
 
digsbe said:
I'm an evangelical Christian that believes in evolution and a Creator that set it all into motion :shrug: If anything maybe others are beginning to examine their beliefs and realize that evolution and the Bible do not clash. If anything, they complement each other.
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I swear I remember arguing with you about evolution vs. creationism. Have you just switched to this belief? Just curious.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I swear I remember arguing with you about evolution vs. creationism. Have you just switched to this belief? Just curious.
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I did change my beliefs roughly 2 years ago when I learned more about evolution in college and especially after I took a senior level required course devoted to evolution. I had pretty much just believed what my parents did and also held on too strongly to the holes in evolutionary theory.
 
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digsbe said:
I did change my beliefs roughly 2 years ago when I learned more about evolution in college and especially after I took a senior level required course devoted to evolution. I had pretty much just believed what my parents did and also held on too strongly to the holes in evolutionary theory.
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Cool, I remember when we were talking about it thinking constantly "This dude's got to be extremely smart and knowledgeable on this stuff with the education he's getting, how is he arguing this?"
 
digsbe said:
I'm an evangelical Christian that believes in evolution and a Creator that set it all into motion :shrug: If anything maybe others are beginning to examine their beliefs and realize that evolution and the Bible do not clash. If anything, they complement each other.
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Good for you. I believe you have to look at whats in Genesis from the historical perspective. How things would have been explained to those people then not how it should be explained now.
 
digsbe said:
I did change my beliefs roughly 2 years ago when I learned more about evolution in college and especially after I took a senior level required course devoted to evolution. I had pretty much just believed what my parents did and also held on too strongly to the holes in evolutionary theory.
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JUst a question. At home were you talk the monkey thing or holistic evolutionary theory. If the former then you got very little accurate information but if the latter then that is better than most.
 
dyanaprajna2011 said:
I didn't, until earlier in the year when he said that marijuana should be legalized. This made me perk up my ears a little bit in his direction. Something odd is going on in his head, and I'm starting to get curious as to what that is.
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Contrary to popular opinion, not all Christians are carbon copies of each other, just as secular humanists are not.
 
lizzie said:
Contrary to popular opinion, not all Christians are carbon copies of each other, just as secular humanists are not.
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He never said anything even remotely close to what you are suggesting Lizzie.

Pat Robertson used to say that hurricanes hit us because of gay people and our moral degradation, now he's arguing that weed should be legalized?

And at one point he said that a town should be careful because God might smite them for voting out a bunch of young earth creationists out of the school board in favor of people that advocated teaching evolution, and now he's acting as though young earth creationism is crazy?

Somethings going on with him. I think that's what he was getting at, he wasn't trying to stereotype as you've insinuated.
 
roughdraft274 said:
He never said anything even remotely close to what you are suggesting Lizzie.

Pat Robertson used to say that hurricanes hit us because of gay people and our moral degradation, now he's arguing that weed should be legalized?

And at one point he said that a town should be careful because God might smite them for voting out a bunch of young earth creationists out of the school board in favor of people that advocated teaching evolution, and now he's acting as though young earth creationism is crazy?

Somethings going on with him. I think that's what he was getting at, he wasn't trying to stereotype as you've insinuated.
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Well, people can, and do, change. When I was young, I myself believed in the creationist idea, due to my upbringing. Exposure to other ideas changes peoples' perceptions. I have no idea what's going on with him, but my point is that Christians aren't anymore all the same, as anyone else, and everyone goes through changes in what they believe, at one point or another.
 
roughdraft274 said:
He never said anything even remotely close to what you are suggesting Lizzie.

Pat Robertson used to say that hurricanes hit us because of gay people and our moral degradation, now he's arguing that weed should be legalized?

And at one point he said that a town should be careful because God might smite them for voting out a bunch of young earth creationists out of the school board in favor of people that advocated teaching evolution, and now he's acting as though young earth creationism is crazy?

Somethings going on with him. I think that's what he was getting at, he wasn't trying to stereotype as you've insinuated.
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Exactly right. I wonder if he is sick and has finally woken up.
 
lizzie said:
Well, people can, and do, change. When I was young, I myself believed in the creationist idea, due to my upbringing. Exposure to other ideas changes peoples' perceptions. I have no idea what's going on with him, but my point is that Christians aren't anymore all the same, as anyone else, and everyone goes through changes in what they believe, at one point or another.
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People changing has nothing to do with your comment about how not all Christians are carbon copies. You brought that up trying to defend Christians from an attack that noone was making, or even close to making.

And I understand that everyone has beliefs that change over time or as they learn more, but you generally don't expect to see that from a guy who's been claiming for decades that he personally talks to good and has the inside scoop and has judged others harshly on their actions. It's unusual, thus the comments that you responded to.
 
liberal seculerism can affect even those who proclaim the gospel of jesus christ pat robertson is a false prophet and should be shunned by true christians
 
ObamaIsAMarxist said:
true chrisitians shouldnt be exposed to lies like what pat robertson is saying its tests faith and opens people up to being weak against evil
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So you agree with the young earth theory?
 
i dont know what that is?? im a creationist theres no evidence at all for evolution ummmm lets see heres some fosills and lets make up how old they are ummmm a trillion years or whatever oh now we have all the proof we need to say evolution is true how stupid

winston53660 said:
So you agree with the young earth theory?
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ObamaIsAMarxist said:
true chrisitians shouldnt be exposed to lies like what pat robertson is saying its tests faith and opens people up to being weak against evil
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Yeah, truth is fragile and should never be questioned. :roll:
 
no biblical truth is permenent but satan is the great deceiver he wants to turn man away from truth so he uses tricks to get us to ignore biblical truth like liberalism and secualr humanism


Risky Thicket said:
Yeah, truth is fragile and should never be questioned. :roll:
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