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Should Churches Display National Flags?

the bible is not for socailsm or any thing that tries to replace his rule on earth thats what the illuminti are doing they are tryingto overthrow gods rule and replace it with satantic nwo and ensalve humanity they use abortion to lower the population to make us easier t ocontrol we all need t oread the bibler and pray becasue soon the world will end when jesus returns as a warrior

What do you think of your church reciting words written by a socialist and reading literature written by a racist?
 
i dont know what you mean??? i go to a church three times a week and we dont read anything but the bible we also have bible studies with our pasrtors wife and we discuss the bible and biblical phrophecy and our pastor says socialsim is evil becasue it replaces gods law by mans law god is infailable and man is sinful which one do you think is better hahaha

You knock on socialists yet you recite the words of a socialist every Sunday. Pot calling the kettle black?
 
the bible is not for socailsm or any thing that tries to replace his rule on earth

Perhaps you didn't read all my posts to you. I gave you a link with info on the history of the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge was written by socialist pastor Francis Bellamy. You claim you recite the Pledge every Sunday at church. So you knock socialists while revering the words of a socialist each Sunday.


thats what the illuminti are doing they are tryingto overthrow gods rule and replace it with satantic nwo and ensalve humanity they use abortion to lower the population to make us easier t ocontrol we all need t oread the bibler and pray becasue soon the world will end when jesus returns as a warrior

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The distinction is that we as a nation never associated a divine monarch as being the nation. The nation is the People as a whole. The President, Congress, and the Senate aren't the nation, they're just regular jack offs we hired to do a job.


"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

If the Nation is the people as a whole, why do people on one side of a boarder matter more than people on the other side? Why should I pledge my allegience to people who happened to have been born and received a blue american passport? But no people who got a different one?

As far as that quote, that has to be taken into context, the question was about the Tax, it was basically a way to try and get Jesus to say something seditious to get him in trouble with the law, but that was just Jesus saying that you pay your taxes.
 
If the Nation is the people as a whole, why do people on one side of a boarder matter more than people on the other side? Why should I pledge my allegience to people who happened to have been born and received a blue american passport? But no people who got a different one?
Because your nation is your home.

As far as that quote, that has to be taken into context, the question was about the Tax, it was basically a way to try and get Jesus to say something seditious to get him in trouble with the law, but that was just Jesus saying that you pay your taxes.
I know the context of the quote, but there's a hell of a lot more owed to Caesar than taxes.
 
ObamaIsAMarxist said:
well i saw what youre lean says so i dont think you can ever know the truth but ill pray for you and hope you experience jesus christ

I have experienced Jesus, and I am a christian meaning I follow the teachings of Christ, and given your horrible ignorance, I think you need to start reading the scriptures rather than just blindly following what your jingoistic church is teaching.

Surtr said:
Jesus wasn't a socialist, he was an egalitarian.

Socialist is an extremely broad term, and Jesus' teachings could very well be considered socialistic, and the early Church (especially the Jerusalem congregation) actually practiced a form of Socialism.

But I kind of agree in the sense that Jesus wasn't really a political revolutionary, in that sense I disagree with some leftist theologans, he was a social egalatarian radical, and a religious revolutionary, and only political as much as the religious leadership was political, but he wasn't trying to make an earthly government or overthrow the Roman empire.

I could write a lot more about this such as Jesus' brothers attitudes and so on, but its kind of besides the point.

ObamaIsAMarxist said:
i dont know what you mean??? i go to a church three times a week and we dont read anything but the bible we also have bible studies with our pasrtors wife and we discuss the bible and biblical phrophecy and our pastor says socialsim is evil becasue it replaces gods law by mans law god is infailable and man is sinful which one do you think is better hahaha

A Socialism is not a set of "laws" its a set of principles. Also by the same logic which you have, then the United States and the constitution is evil. Also after the Christ came the Law of Moses was ended and thus there was no "law," the way nation's laws should be were not set by the christian scriptures at all. However the Christian principles of a "brotherhood of man," "compassion," "Agape Love," the examples of the way the congregations were set up in Acts 2 and 4 and so on and so forth, would guide a christian to support more democratic, egaletarian and socialistic social institutions rather than more capitalistic and autocratic social institutions.

I'll let it go by saying ObamaisAMarxist ... read the New testiment by yourself, and use your own reason, it's obvious that you're talking out of ignorance here.
 
Because your nation is your home.


I know the context of the quote, but there's a hell of a lot more owed to Caesar than taxes.

No .... You're home is your home, there is NOTHING in the bible saying that you should care more about people from YOUR country than another ... infact the good samaritan parable went totally against that.

No ... There isn't, that quote was a specific responce to a specific tax, and there is a reason Jesus said "but Gods things to God" right after, because it is to God and God alone that people should pledge their allegience and their devotion.
 
Socialist is an extremely broad term, and Jesus' teachings could very well be considered socialistic, and the early Church (especially the Jerusalem congregation) actually practiced a form of Socialism.

But I kind of agree in the sense that Jesus wasn't really a political revolutionary, in that sense I disagree with some leftist theologans, he was a social egalatarian radical, and a religious revolutionary, and only political as much as the religious leadership was political, but he wasn't trying to make an earthly government or overthrow the Roman empire.

I could write a lot more about this such as Jesus' brothers attitudes and so on, but its kind of besides the point.

There's nothing broad about socialism, it's a clearly defined socioeconomic philosophy.

No .... You're home is your home, there is NOTHING in the bible saying that you should care more about people from YOUR country than another ... infact the good samaritan parable went totally against that.
That's one interpretation of the parable. Another would be that the Levite and the priest were rats who wouldn't help their own, and leave it to a much hated enemy to help the injured man. Jesus had no love for priests of the time, and took many opportunities to lash out at them. Levites were no different because they were a "privileged" tribe, charged with carrying out specific religious duties.

You can love other people outside of your nation as Jesus loved them, but it definitely behooves you to remember where you sleep at night.

No ... There isn't, that quote was a specific responce to a specific tax, and there is a reason Jesus said "but Gods things to God" right after, because it is to God and God alone that people should pledge their allegience and their devotion.
It was more about Jesus avoiding persecution, but you sure as hell do owe more to the nation than just taxes. The roads you drive on, the schools who taught you how to read and write, the hospitals who fix you up when you get injured, and the police who make the streets a little safer, all the way up to the soldiers who secure resources so you can keep driving your motor vehicle, and enjoy all the benefits we gain from other petrochemicals. That was provided by Caesar i.e. the nation. America is a collectivist society, everybody pitches in and does their part to benefit one another. That is what you owe to "Caesar".
 
There's nothing broad about socialism, it's a clearly defined socioeconomic philosophy.

No it isn't, everyone from the Norwegian Labor party, to Che Guevara, from MLK and Ghandi to Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels, from the Utopian Socialists to Leninists, to Jesus of Nazareth to Satre were all called Socialists and all had tons of different ideas ... Socialism is essencially the idea of economic democracy, and within that there are many different models.

Surtr said:
That's one interpretation of the parable. Another would be that the Levite and the priest were rats who wouldn't help their own, and leave it to a much hated enemy to help the injured man. Jesus had no love for priests of the time, and took many opportunities to lash out at them. Levites were no different because they were a "privileged" tribe, charged with carrying out specific religious duties.

You can love other people outside of your nation as Jesus loved them, but it definitely behooves you to remember where you sleep at night.

Except the question was "Who is my neighbour," ... Where I sleep at night is my home ... the only thing that attaches people in my nation to me is that we are subject to the same government, in California, people in Mexico are geographically closer than people in New York, the only difference is people in NY are under the same government, so basically yeah ... the Nation=The State.

Jesus wasn't lashing out so much at priests as he was lashing out at the religious and civil leadership, i.e. the members of the Sanhadrin the Pharasaic and Sadducaic leadership. Jesus never lashed out at the Levites as a group directly.

Surtr said:
It was more about Jesus avoiding persecution, but you sure as hell do owe more to the nation than just taxes. The roads you drive on, the schools who taught you how to read and write, the hospitals who fix you up when you get injured, and the police who make the streets a little safer, all the way up to the soldiers who secure resources so you can keep driving your motor vehicle, and enjoy all the benefits we gain from other petrochemicals. That was provided by Caesar i.e. the nation. America is a collectivist society, everybody pitches in and does their part to benefit one another. That is what you owe to "Caesar".

... You owe your taxes ... thats what it pays for, now obviously you should be a good neighbor which may include a good citizen WHEREVER YOU ARE, but that says nothing about patriotism and nationalism, being a good neighbour however is different from saying "we have no king but Caesar," which is what nationalism is.

The early Christians were put to death in the Roman Empire for refusing to join the legions and for not taking part in nationalism.
 
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