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Why I've Decided Islam is Not a Peaceful Religion

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When it was written, they were considered better than polytheists, and they still hold a higher regard, but they are not considered believers, because they don't meet all three requirements, which are monotheist believ, acceptance of Mohammed as a prophet, and belief in the day of judgement.
 
All religions are violent. Jewish settler have attacked Mosques. Christians who predominate in America have started wars. Islam, well, good grief.

All religions claim to promote peace but their actions don't follow their words. The religious are easily led into evil behavior. Why? Because if you can get someone to donate money and talk to invisible sky-beings, you can convince them of anything.
 
I'm pretty sure the Qur'an holds Christians and Jews in pretty high esteem.
:^)
Koran much?

The word "Jews" appears in 19 verses in Pickthall’s translation of the Koran.

It is very interesting to note that the following words do not appear EVEN ONCE in Pickthall’s translation of the Koran:
"Greek", "Hebrew", "Aramaic", "Salvation", "Savior", "Saviour ". (Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic are the original languages of the Judaeo-Christian scriptures, which the Koran half-heartedly acknowledges as "divinely revealed")

These verses from the Koran concerning the Jews speak for themselves.
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[al-Baqarah 2:140.16] Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do.


[an-Nisa' 4:46.6] Some of those who are Jews change words from their context and say: "We hear and disobey; hear thou as one who heareth not" and "Listen to us!" distorting with their tongues and slandering religion. If they had said: "We hear and we obey: hear thou, and look at us" it had been better for them, and more upright. But Allah hath Cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, save a few.

[an-Nisa' 4:160.7] Because of the Wrongdoing of the Jews We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way,

[al-Ma'idah 5:18.2] The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of Allah and His loved ones. Say: Why then doth He chastise you for your sins? Nay, ye are but mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and chastiseth whom He will. Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and unto Him is the journeying.


[al-Ma'idah 5:41.35] O Messenger! Let not them grieve thee who vie one with another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: "We believe," but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: listeners for the sake of Falsehood, listeners on behalf of other folk who come not unto thee, changing words from their context and saying: If this be given unto you, receive it, but if this be not given unto you, then beware! He whom Allah doometh unto sin, thou (by thine efforts) wilt avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the Will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts. Theirs in the world will be ignominy, and in the Hereafter an awful doom;
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[al-Ma'idah 5:51.8] O ye who believe! Take NOT the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not Wrongdoing folk.


[al-Ma'idah 5:64.2] The Jews say: Allah's hand is fettered. Their hands are fettered and they are Accursed for saying so. Nay, but both His hands are spread out wide in bounty. He bestoweth as He will. That which hath been revealed unto thee from thy Lord is certain to increase the contumacy and disbelief of many of them, and We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguisheth it.
Their effort is for Corruption in the land, and Allah loveth not corrupters.

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[al-Ma'idah 5:82.18] Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are Not proud.

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[at-Taubah 9:30.3] And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah.
That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) Fighteth against them. How Perverse are they!*


[an-Nahl 16:118.6] And unto those who are Jews We have forbidden that which We have already related unto thee. And We wronged them not, but they were wont to wrong themselves.


[al-Hajj 22:17.11] Lo! those who believe (this revelation), and those who are Jews, and the Sabaeans and the Christians and the Magians and the idolaters - Lo! Allah will decide between them on the Day of Resurrection. Lo! Allah is Witness over all things.


[al-Jum`ah 62:6.8] Say (O Muhammad): O ye who are Jews! If ye claim that ye are favoured of Allah apart from (all) mankind, then long for death if ye are truthful.


The word "Jewish" appears once in Pickthall’s translation of the Koran.

[at-Taubah 9:34.9] O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a Painful Doom..

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atla...25/page184.htm
link expired. All 19 Now mirrored here: http://sitaram.0catch.com/page184.htm but without commentary.
Pickthall's translation one of the several mainstream ones
And there are more which don't mention "jews" by name but refer to them.

mbig/abu afak
 
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All religions are violent. Jewish settler have attacked Mosques. Christians who predominate in America have started wars. Islam, well, good grief.

All religions claim to promote peace but their actions don't follow their words. The religious are easily led into evil behavior. Why? Because if you can get someone to donate money and talk to invisible sky-beings, you can convince them of anything.
I like alot of your posts, but this is pure PC BS.
The usual LIE bout "we all have a few bad apples"
Completely Untrue.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...araging-muhammed-crime-13.html#post1060916426
This is the most common PC Mantra and Fallacy.
"We all have a few bad apples"...
and probably the biggest lie of the decade. (or 3)

Islam has Exponentially More bad apples, so many more in fact, Inherent in their religion.
This was just an extra bad week, but people die EVERY DAY in the name of Islam. That is, not just crimes committed by Muslims, but Crimes committed in the Name of Islam against other religions or other sects.

Someone is counting, at least the ones we even know about:
30 days only.
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

There simply is nothing even close by any other religion. We do NOT all have a similar problem.
Not remotely.
Islam is a majority Literalist religion, (Unlike others) and literalist to a Holy Book Not Compatible with Western culture.

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.
If I do nothing else on this goofy board it will be to attempt to debunk this Horrendous PC junk thought.
 
Maybe you misunderstood my post (my fault). "Islam, good grief" means that Islam has gone way beyond the explicable. However, my position on religions being the basis for this remains.

All religions claim to promote peace but their actions don't follow their words. The religious are easily led into evil behavior. Why? Because if you can get someone to donate money and talk to invisible sky-beings, you can convince them of anything.

Nothing to do with PC. As per my disclaimer, it's just an opinion.



I like alot of your posts, but this is pure PC BS.
The usual LIE bout "we all have a few bad apples"
Completely Untrue.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...araging-muhammed-crime-13.html#post1060916426
If I do nothing else on this goofy board it will be to attempt to debunk this Horrendous PC junk thought.
 
:^)
Koran much?

And there are more which don't mention "jews" by name but refer to them.

mbig/abu afak

"And do not argue with the followers of the Book except by what is best, save with those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit." (Qur'an 29:46)

"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." (Qur'an 2:62)

"To you your religion, and to me mine." (Qur'an 109)

Anytime the Qur'an refers to People of the Book, it is referring to Christians and Jews.
 
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.

Islam is just as violent of a religion as Christianity. Islam is VERY closely related to Christianity. To call Islam a violent religion would be very shortsighted and an obvious lack of research. Take a quick look at a translated Qur'an (or whatever spelling variation you prefer) and be amazed at the similarities you find between Islam and Christianity.
 
Islam is just as violent of a religion as Christianity. Islam is VERY closely related to Christianity. To call Islam a violent religion would be very shortsighted and an obvious lack of research. Take a quick look at a translated Qur'an (or whatever spelling variation you prefer) and be amazed at the similarities you find between Islam and Christianity.

Ummm, you seem to be confusing Christianity with the old testament. Christianity is a doctrine which says that faith in Jesus is the path to salvation. The old testament is pretty much historical accounts and stories. Islam is much more similar to Judaism than Christianity, in that it focuses on law and ritual, but the Jewish people have figured out how to live alongside their fellow man in peace, unless they are threatened or attacked from without. What the three have in common, is they are all Abrahamic monotheistic religions. The differences are several, including the belief in the path to salvation, which is what sets Christianity apart starkly from the others.
 
The REAL problem...does not lie within Islam I don't believe. It is within the culture itself. Such a low standard of living, the views of outsiders, the way they treat their women, and the fact that they don't have a governmental style that can at the very least ALLOW for a nation of tollerance and acceptance There is no seperation of church and religion in many of the nations. Theocracies and governments that essentially allow for complete control by religion. It just doesn't work. We can continue to show tolerance and show the people how much better our standard of living is in terms of freedom and the violence might slow down. Start with the women.

This isn't an issue of how we can turn this back on the evil Jews or Christians as some people might try to do. It is truly an issue of how the governments and societies work there.
 
Ummm, you seem to be confusing Christianity with the old testament. Christianity is a doctrine which says that faith in Jesus is the path to salvation. The old testament is pretty much historical accounts and stories. Islam is much more similar to Judaism than Christianity, in that it focuses on law and ritual, but the Jewish people have figured out how to live alongside their fellow man in peace, unless they are threatened or attacked from without. What the three have in common, is they are all Abrahamic monotheistic religions. The differences are several, including the belief in the path to salvation, which is what sets Christianity apart starkly from the others.

You also forgot how Muslims believe that Jesus was a great prophet (although not the Messiah). Furthermore, is the Old Testament not a part of Christianity?
 
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Anytime the Qur'an refers to People of the Book, it is referring to Christians and Jews.
Really? I didn't know that!
I have some bad news for you though in re the oft mentioned 'people of the book' who are indeed spoken of in a better light than Pagans (er. Like a Billion Hindus and a Billion+ Buddhists)
The "sword verses", a dozen of which I cited (and you fanned on), take precedence over earlier more peaceful ones.
Peace or Jihad? Abrogation in Islam :: Middle East Quarterly

Another small detail:
The Actual history is that Mohammed either Forced conversion of, or Massacred the Jews of Arabia; who, at the time of his appearance, (Surprise!) were about Half the population of Mecca and Medina.
Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

So that within a generation after his death there were No Jews left in Arabia, and Islam was already on the March through the Middle East and North Africa.
The 'Sword verses' indeed prevailed.
Double Indeed; that original Islamist momentum is still killing and purging non-Muslims in places like Sudan.
Only Western liberals are willfully confused.

"in the Arabian Peninsula there cannot exist two different religions!" - Mohammed
 
Really? I didn't know that!
I have some bad news for you though in re the oft mentioned 'people of the book' who are indeed spoken of in a better light than Pagans (er. Like a Billion Hindus and a Billion+ Buddhists)
The "sword verses", a dozen of which I cited (and you fanned on), take precedence over earlier more peaceful ones.
Peace or Jihad? Abrogation in Islam :: Middle East Quarterly

Another small detail:
The Actual history is that Mohammed either Forced conversion of, or Massacred the Jews of Arabia; who, at the time of his appearance, were about Half the population of Mecca and Medina.
Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

So that within a generation after his death there were No Jews left in Arabia, and Islam was already on the March through the Middle East and North Africa.
The 'Sword verses' indeed prevailed.
Double Indeed; that original Islamist momentum is still killing and purging non-Muslims in places like Sudan.
Only Western liberals are willfully confused.

"in the Arabian Peninsula there cannot exist two different religions!" - Mohamed

What do you mean violent verses take precedent over more peaceful verses?

And the second link you provided seemed to be from an Israeli website. Doesn't seem like the most reliable source :roll:
 
You also forgot how Muslims believe that Jesus was a great prophet (although not the Messiah). Furthermore, is the Old Testament not a part of Christianity?

No, I didn't forget it. It's still not what deliniates the religions from each other. The old testament is a part of the Bible. Christianity is a doctrine on which the plan to salvation is established as being through faith and belief in Jesus. You will not find that in the Islamic faith. Theirs is more of a faith in which there is no belief or change in way of life, required, just adherence to the law.
 
What do you mean violent verses take precedent over more peaceful verses?
There's a link explaining. "Middle East Quarterly"
Ooof.

And the second link you provided seemed to be from an Israeli website. Doesn't seem like the most reliable source :roll:
"An Israeli website" .. Oh well Pardon me! :roll:
How could I!
Not Only that, they quoted a JEWISH historian, Bernard Lewis, as one of their two main sources! (the other Guillame).
Oh man you got me!
Of course, Lewis is the most famous/esteemed historian of the Middle East.
Add Bias to the grotesque Ignorance already outed.

You know NOTHING and this debate was never a 'debate'; obvioulsy.
I was just glad to Use your Goofy posts as a foil to be able to Broadcast the truth.
So of course, there was NO Reply to the actual history; Mohammed's cleansing of the Jews.
 
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No, I didn't forget it. It's still not what deliniates the religions from each other. The old testament is a part of the Bible. Christianity is a doctrine on which the plan to salvation is established as being through faith and belief in Jesus. You will not find that in the Islamic faith. Theirs is more of a faith in which there is no belief or change in way of life, required, just adherence to the law.

What do you mean there is no belief required? One of the Five Pillars of Islam is that "There is only one God and that Muhammad is his prophet."
 
Really? I didn't know that!
I have some bad news for you though in re the oft mentioned 'people of the book' who are indeed spoken of in a better light than Pagans (er. Like a Billion Hindus and a Billion+ Buddhists)
The "sword verses", a dozen of which I cited (and you fanned on), take precedence over earlier more peaceful ones.
Peace or Jihad? Abrogation in Islam :: Middle East Quarterly

Another small detail:
The Actual history is that Mohammed either Forced conversion of, or Massacred the Jews of Arabia; who, at the time of his appearance, (Surprise!) were about Half the population of Mecca and Medina.
Medina, Islam's second holiest city, was originally a Jewish "settlement"

So that within a generation after his death there were No Jews left in Arabia, and Islam was already on the March through the Middle East and North Africa.
The 'Sword verses' indeed prevailed.
Double Indeed; that original Islamist momentum is still killing and purging non-Muslims in places like Sudan.
Only Western liberals are willfully confused.

"in the Arabian Peninsula there cannot exist two different religions!" - Mohammed

You should read the Koran.. People of the Book are Christians, Jews, Muslims and Zoroastrians.. The Jews were never a significant population in Arabia. Medina was known as Yathrib.

Most had migrated from Jericho into the Arabian Peninsula.

The Jewish tribes dominated the Pilgrimage and sold idols.. It was a great source of revenue.
 
What do you mean there is no belief required? One of the Five Pillars of Islam is that "There is only one God and that Muhammad is his prophet."

Belief in Jesus, not in a prophet. Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God, not a member of a string of prophets. Christians symbolically accept him as their method of salvation. Some of them believe you must be baptized. Others don't.
 
You know NOTHING and this debate was never a 'debate' I was just glad to Use your Goofy posts as a foil to be able to broadcast the Truth.

Ugh, I'm tapping out of this debate.
 
You should read the Koran.. People of the Book are Christians, Jews, Muslims and Zoroastrians.. The Jews were never a significant population in Arabia. Medina was known as Yathrib.

Most had migrated from Jericho into the Arabian Peninsula.

The Jewish tribes dominated the Pilgrimage and sold idols.. It was a great source of revenue.
Every word you post is a Lie, and your posts are all disgraceful/dishonest garbage.
"Yathrib" however, is correct, the accidental exception in this particular post.
Of course I have read the Koran, maybe you should.
I was the one citing it/A Dozen verses, NOT you.
No one has been able to deal with them.

I'm also the only one in this string who regularly debates the Koran (with Muslims too) and understands the importance of naming the translation.
 
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Belief in Jesus, not in a prophet. Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God, not a member of a string of prophets. Christians symbolically accept him as their method of salvation. Some of them believe you must be baptized. Others don't.

Well you know .. every Jewish king had his own Prophet.. like King David had Nathan.. They weren't so much fortune tellers as we think of them.. more like the conscience of the king and/or the people and commentators... So much of what we call "prophesy" was commentary written down after the event.

Muslims consider Jesus the purest of the prophets.. a man without sin, born of a virgin from the mind of God like Adam. He's mention far more often in the Koran than Muhammed.. I think Jesus is mentioned 23 times and Muhammed is mentioned 6 or 7 times.

Middle East Quarterly is a Jewish publication.. All the board of Governors are Jewish.
 
Well you know .. every Jewish king had his own Prophet.. like King David had Nathan.. They weren't so much fortune tellers as we think of them.. more like the conscience of the king and/or the people and commentators... So much of what we call "prophesy" was commentary written down after the event.

Muslims consider Jesus the purest of the prophets.. a man without sin, born of a virgin from the mind of God like Adam. He's mention far more often in the Koran than Muhammed.. I think Jesus is mentioned 23 times and Muhammed is mentioned 6 or 7 times.

Middle East Quarterly is a Jewish publication.. All the board of Governors are Jewish.

But you see? It doesn't matter to me who was a Jew, who was a Muslim, or who was a Christian. I am none of the above. I don't care what each one believes, but I do care if they are lumped into one single pile as if they are all the same, because they definitely are not.
 
Every word you post is a Lie, and they are all disgraceful/dishonest garbage.
"Yathrib" however, is correct, the accidental exception in this particular post.
Of course I have read the Koran, maybe you should.
I was the one citing it/A Dozen verses, NOT you.
No one has been able to deal with them.

There were three Jewish tribes. Bani Qurazah, Bani Nadir and a small tribe called Bani Qanuqa.. There were also many pagans, bedouin and Nestorian Christians. ME Quarterly have a specific slant.. that plays up their entitlement.. but it is false..
 
But you see? It doesn't matter to me who was a Jew, who was a Muslim, or who was a Christian. I am none of the above. I don't care what each one believes, but I do care if they are lumped into one single pile as if they are all the same, because they definitely are not.

Of course we aren't all the same, but the intriguing part is how much we DO have in common in core beliefs. But then, I was taught from an early age to cherish our similarities and respect our differences.
 
Oh hey eight pages.
 
I think that's a serious underestimation. I think 'only' a few dozen thousand might be willing to 'martyr' themselves, but I think there are many, many more - probably millions - who would fully support them.

And on what do you base this wild speculation?


Religion causes violence the same way guns cause violence. They're tools. Sometimes they're used for good, sometimes they're used for evil.

Religion doesn't murder people. Murderers murder people, and sometimes they use ancient books to justify it to themselves.
 
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