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Why I've Decided Islam is Not a Peaceful Religion

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A few dozen thousand out of approx 1.1 billion.

I think that's a serious underestimation. I think 'only' a few dozen thousand might be willing to 'martyr' themselves, but I think there are many, many more - probably millions - who would fully support them.
 
As we can see in this thread, you can find hateful people in any social group. The real difference in America is that we put such people in their place, only letting them express themselves with the impotent whining so you on these message boards. The beauty of free speech is that it simply demonstrates how neutered the bigots have become. All their ranting is the frustration of someone is utterly powerless and knows that they will never be treated as more than pond scum.
 
I think that's a serious underestimation. I think 'only' a few dozen thousand might be willing to 'martyr' themselves, but I think there are many, many more - probably millions - who would fully support them.

...and you base this assumption on what again?

Interesting and timely interview on NPR regarding this conception of how the average Muslim sees terrorism.
 
And I would love to see some links about Christian mobs blowing up mosques.

Well, there's the Army of God organization in the United States, which is labelled as a Christian terrorist organization. The organization was responsible for holding abortion doctors hostage, blowing up abortion clinics, putting anthrax in mail, etc.
 
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.

The overwhelming majority of Muslims stayed home and did not protest or demonstrate over that nasty film. Keep it real.
 
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In most of the Arab spring states the majority of Muslims elected Islamist radical governments. Muslim moderates, and there are some, are cowed by the village idiots who have taken control as they did in Iran and Afghanistan during the Taliban era.
 
Silly statement and claim, impossible to prove. And I would love to see some links about Christian mobs blowing up mosques.

There were attacks on mosques in Nigeria just last month, not to mention the Lords resistance army, which is certainly a Christian terrorist organization. Follow the news in Africa there are quite a few radicals on all sides.
 
The overwhelming majority of Muslims stayed home and did not protest or demonstrate over that nasty film. Keep it real.

How do you know this though? stats. ??
 
I think there would be a greater chance of Christian fundamentalist violence than Sharia Law in the United States.

Not likely. The doctrine of Christianity does not teach its adherrents to be violent. Some Christians believe certain things are wrong morally (homosexuality, adultery, etc), but there is no Christian compulsion to commit violence in response to these things they believe are wrong.
 
Not likely. The doctrine of Christianity does not teach its adherrents to be violent. Some Christians believe certain things are wrong morally (homosexuality, adultery, etc), but there is no Christian compulsion to commit violence in response to these things they believe are wrong.

That wasn't the case with the Army of God organization, which killed abortion doctors, bombed abortion clinics, and sent anthrax in the mail. Nor was it the case with the David Koresh at Waco, Texas. Also, the Ku Klux Klan (which really wasn't THAT long ago) was heavily influenced by Christianity.

People will use religion as an excuse for violence. It's not the religion that teaches violence. It's almost always the people who twist the words of religious texts to justify their violent acts.
 
I've always winced when I've heard people say Islam and Muslims are not peaceful and that the religion itself breeds hate. I don't like to clump everyone into a negative stereotype like that. But the events in Africa and the Middle East have lead me to a new conclusion. Islam is not a peaceful religion. I saw a man say that the producer of the "film" should be tried in a Sharia Court and then executed. I've seen millions lash out over a short film, yet none...not one...Muslim has protested the deaths of innocent people. I'm sorry it has come to this, but my mind has been changed. Islam and Muslims are violent people and their actions against humanity should not be tolerated. I'm not calling for genocide, but the days of negotiation are over. Either they repent and repudiate the hatred and violence that permeates their religion and their people, or they will become outsiders in a world that gravitates towards peace and tolerance.

Well, now that you've decided that we can all go to sleep and not worry about it anymore. Good job all, starting tomorrow we all do as ksu tells us.

In case you haven't picked up on that, I was being ironic.

I share your perspective to some view...

I believe that the islamic elite and the islamic main voices in the world are stuck somewhere in the equivalent of the Christian XIIth century... at the time of the inquisition and all the horrible things that have been done in the name of God. Where any differentiation from the dogma would be punished by death and a condemnation to hell for etenity.

I also believe that islam has no place in the western world. Not until it passes through an Enlightenment of its own. That is what caused Christianity to become the good, proper religion we have today. The only problem in Christianity is the evangelicals and the idiots it produces that get to be players in the important fields of life... like politics... michel bachmann and the other woman from alaska... whats her name... the one with the disfunctional family.

At any rate, islam is a threat to the west in the same way a cockroach is a threat to a giant. sure it can crawl up and die in your food causing you indigestion for a few days, but eventually, it is just capable of doing that. I do however see no reason why we should have cockroaches in the kitchen and why we shouldn't dispose of them. A ban on most immigration, except cultural exchanges and educational immigration (people coming to school from the arabic world to the western world) should be put in place effective immidiatly followed by a massive deportation from Europe of all muslims. Including the moderates. Why also the majority of muslims which are moderates? Because of the risk of radicalization. The moderate muslims, clear thinking and decent, need to go back home, straighten the **** out over there and by that way, earn our trust in them, and their religion of peace. Otherwise... no dice. We should allow educational immigration in order to give youngsters a chance to develop properly and after they return to their homes, for them to act as leaders in their communities.

Just letting people inside developed countries without any form of control and regulation is just stupid and ineffective as it can be seen in countless upon countless of examples all over Europe and the US. The desire for integration and participation to public life must exist in people prior to their emigration. Otherwise... it is pointless.
 
That wasn't the case with the Army of God organization, which killed abortion doctors, bombed abortion clinics, and sent anthrax in the mail. Nor was it the case with the David Koresh at Waco, Texas. Also, the Ku Klux Klan (which really wasn't THAT long ago) was heavily influenced by Christianity.

People will use religion as an excuse for violence. It's not the religion that teaches violence. It's almost always the people who twist the words of religious texts to justify their violent acts.

You will not find it within the Christian doctrine that it is justifiable to kill people. In Islam, on the other hand, you will find that it is encouraged. Big difference. A Christian who kills based on his Christian beliefs is going against his religious code of behavior. Not so with Islamists.
 
You will not find it within the Christian doctrine that it is justifiable to kill people. In Islam, on the other hand, you will find that it is encouraged. Big difference. A Christian who kills based on his Christian beliefs is going against his religious code of behavior. Not so with Islamists.

What about Judaism? Does the Torah encourage violence?
 
What about Judaism? Does the Torah encourage violence?

Fortunately, the Jewish people have evolved beyond a need for theocratic rule, quite some time ago, and the individuals have internalized their religion.
 
Fortunately, the Jewish people have evolved beyond theocratic rule, quite some time ago, and the individuals have internalized their religion.

True, but Judaism is a rather old religion. Islam, on the other hand, is relatively young.

Every religion seems to have their own "dark ages" time.
 
What about Judaism? Does the Torah encourage violence?

Yes... the Torah, or the Old Testament, is full of violence. It does encourage it.

But the one thing that encourages more violence in the judaism religion is the Talmud.

However, as lizzie pointed out, a lot of jews, maybe even most, have overcome the primitive ideas portrayed there. Most jews adopt a non-religious lifestyle, not so unsimilar to the way you and I do... we don't take everything in the Bible ad literum and we don't obey all commands. But we are good people, we mind our own business, we obey the laws, we help each other when we can and how we can and we rely on our sense of right and wrong to guide us... a sense that is indeed partially taken from our core religion, but it has gone beyond it to a self-sustained form.

However, jews do not need judaism for them to be considered jews. Due to reformed judaism which started sometime in the late XVIIIth century, jews are no longer considered jews if they are part of their religion, but rather, if they are so ethnically. To more specific, you are considered a jew if your mother is a jew.
 
True, but Judaism is a rather old religion. Islam, on the other hand, is relatively young.

Every religion seems to have their own "dark ages" time.

If we were all still living in the dark ages, when mass communications and democratic principles were relatively unknown, I would say you might have a legitimate point, but that was then, and this is now. The problem with the Islamists living in the dark ages, is that at one time, another stronger society would have not hesitated to eradicate barbarians, but we are living in a time where it is no longer popular to kill your ideological enemy, so the best we can hope for is that those of us who value modern lifestyles have the collective will not to let our societies become what we disagree with, by standing up for what we value. So far, it appears that we are losing ground, in the name of political correctness and fear of offending.
 
You will not find it within the Christian doctrine that it is justifiable to kill people. In Islam, on the other hand, you will find that it is encouraged. Big difference. A Christian who kills based on his Christian beliefs is going against his religious code of behavior. Not so with Islamists.

I don't think violence in Islam is encouraged. I've read passages relating to self-defense, such as this one: "Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them" (4:90). The Qur'an seems to try to avoid violence.
 
I don't think violence in Islam is encouraged. I've read passages relating to self-defense, such as this one: "Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them" (4:90). The Qur'an seems to try to avoid violence.

I'm assuming you must have missed the sword verses.
 
I'm assuming you must have missed the sword verses.

I'll admit, I don't know a lot about the Qur'an, or what it says. If you could show me the verses, that would be great.
 
I'll admit, I don't know a lot about the Qur'an, or what it says. If you could show me the verses, that would be great.

They are easy to google. Basically what they are, are verses from the Quran, from the time when Muslims were trying to dominate the pagans, and convert them to the religion. As an historical text, I don't take them seriously, any more than I take historical accounts from the Bible as instructions on how to behave today. The problem is that the radicals among the religion of Islam use them to justify killing those whom they disagree with on religion. It would be the equivalent of Jewish leaders killing Christians or Muslims, because they didn't take Judaism as their religion, or Christians killing Jews and Muslims based on the same idea. This is a much bigger issue than a stray nut killing an abortion doctor.
 
They are easy to google. Basically what they are, are verses from the Quran, from the time when Muslims were trying to dominate the pagans, and convert them to the religion. As an historical text, I don't take them seriously, any more than I take historical accounts from the Bible as instructions on how to behave today. The problem is that the radicals among the religion of Islam use them to justify killing those whom they disagree with on religion. It would be the equivalent of Jewish leaders killing Christians or Muslims, because they didn't take Judaism as their religion, or Christians killing Jews and Muslims based on the same idea. This is a much bigger issue than a stray nut killing an abortion doctor.

I'm pretty sure the Qur'an holds Christians and Jews in pretty high esteem.
 
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