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Mormans for Obama

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I am tolerant of personal religious beliefs and although I will be voting for Barack Obama ... Romney's religious affiliation does not have any negative impact on my decision.

I saw a interesting bumper sticker while driving through Idaho.

Mormans for Obama

http://mormonsforobama.org




So as McKay Coppins pointed out on BuzzFeed, “Within minutes of Mitt Romney officially winning the Republican nomination, the Facebook page for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints posted a blunt reminder that it is “politically diverse.”
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Dion said:
I am tolerant of personal religious beliefs and although I will be voting for Barack Obama ... Romney's religious affiliation does not have any negative impact on my decision.

I saw a interesting bumper sticker while driving through Idaho.

Mormans for Obama
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I know a few Mormons here who have been open about their support for Obama.
 
It makes me wonder if there is a Rev Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ members for Romney bumper sticker anywhere?

...But I would hope that all religions are diverse enough and absent of groupthink that there would be people voting for different political parties in them.
 
Was it Navy Pride that was having a conniption about "African-Americans for Obama?"

Anyway, at the time we tried to pin him down on if "Mormons for Romney" would offend him as well...I'm sure he's working on getting outraged over this.
 
Porchev said:
It makes me wonder if there is a Rev Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ members for Romney bumper sticker anywhere?

...But I would hope that all religions are diverse enough and absent of groupthink that there would be people voting for different political parties in them.
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Exactly ... although Obama left that congregation and it does not have nearly enough members to make a point. As funny as your post is ... the more poignant note is that hopefully ... any religious group would not use the pulpit for politics or try to influence members.

rocket88 said:
Was it Navy Pride that was having a conniption about "African-Americans for Obama?"

Anyway, at the time we tried to pin him down on if "Mormons for Romney" would offend him as well...I'm sure he's working on getting outraged over this.
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That is funny! I do not worship any book or supernatural unproven belief system yet I completely respect others right to do so and the church affiliation of Romney or Obama is not relevant in my decision of casting my ballot.

I did think it was cool the LDS church actually made a point of posting they were politically diverse!
 
Dion said:
I am tolerant of personal religious beliefs and although I will be voting for Barack Obama ... Romney's religious affiliation does not have any negative impact on my decision.

I saw a interesting bumper sticker while driving through Idaho.

Mormans for Obama

Mormons for Obama | We are voting for Obama, and we are Mormons.
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Mormons tend to vote as a block, always have. So a bumper sticker that says they aren't going to vote with the herd might be a good way to give other Mormons the courage to do the same.

ps: there are lot of Mormons in Idaho.
 
Moot said:
Mormons tend to vote as a block, always have. So a bumper sticker that says they aren't going to vote with the herd might be a good way to give other Mormons the courage to do the same.

ps: there are lot of Mormons in Idaho.
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Possibly ... I do not really know their voting habits as group.

My former neighbors (many mormans) had political signs in their yard 2008 for Obama yet that might have been influenced by a democratic state senator who practiced medicine in their group practice and had won a state issue they supported.
 
Dion said:
Exactly ... although Obama left that congregation and it does not have nearly enough members to make a point. As funny as your post is ... the more poignant note is that hopefully ... any religious group would not use the pulpit for politics or try to influence members.



That is funny! I do not worship any book or supernatural unproven belief system yet I completely respect others right to do so and the church affiliation of Romney or Obama is not relevant in my decision of casting my ballot.

I did think it was cool the LDS church actually made a point of posting they were politically diverse!
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How would the basic philosophy of a person, their faith in the origin, essence of and meaning of life and living, the proscribed moral code to which they have committed or adhere to in their lives based upon their religious faith, not be relevant in a decision to casting a ballot?
 
Dion said:
Possibly ... I do not really know their voting habits as group.

My former neighbors (many mormans) had political signs in their yard 2008 for Obama yet that might have been influenced by a democratic state senator who practiced medicine in their group practice and had won a state issue they supported.
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Mormons in Utah are very different from Mormons outside of Utah. Utah Mormons are not as diverse as they are throughout the rest of the states. Utah Mormons vote 90%+ Republican....and although the Mormon church goes on record every election cycle "reminding" people that they don't take a position or use the church for politics....there is a very unsubtle message that Republicans are good, Democrats are bad. I know....because I lived in Utah for 25 years.
I have found, however, the Mormons in California are much more diverse.
 
gilbertc1908 said:
How would the basic philosophy of a person, their faith in the origin, essence of and meaning of life and living, the proscribed moral code to which they have committed or adhere to in their lives based upon their religious faith, not be relevant in a decision to casting a ballot?
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Yes, how do you detach your beliefs from your vote?
 
nota bene said:
Yes, how do you detach your beliefs from your vote?
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Mark 12:17 Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.


If Jesus could do it (in fact he seems to recommend it) then surely the religious folks can separate politics and government from their religious and spiritual beliefs.
 
gilbertc1908 said:
How would the basic philosophy of a person, their faith in the origin, essence of and meaning of life and living, the proscribed moral code to which they have committed or adhere to in their lives based upon their religious faith, not be relevant in a decision to casting a ballot?
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Well for you morals might be the worship of which supernatural belief yet for me good character and morals are personal traits of a person. If a candidate has good morals and personal traits that is one component that is important to me yet there are others when considering POTUS.

How they choose to resolve issues and intellect as well as temperament are important factors.

I guess I can best describe a character trait such as honesty ... most religions have that as a value yet it is not inherent to just that religion. Having faith in Christ does not necessarily indicate a person has the character traits that Christianity values. A person who believes in the supernatural or one who does not both can hold or not hold the character trait of honesty.

Yet ... despite there being no proof there is or is not a God there are many religions with admirable people and not so admirable people. people with no faith can have the same admirable qualities as one who practices a religion.

In my opinion religions are just cults that have been in existence for so long they are accepted ... yet I admire and practice Christian values as that is important to me personally.

It is irrelevant to me if Romney is LDS or Obama belongs to a Congregational Church.

I support Obama because on most issues I agree with his solutions and he is on the right track. He has the intellect, temperament and leadership.

I disagree with Romney approach to issues and he does not strike me as genuine or secure of his own beliefs on issues and will easily pander. Yet ... that has nothing to do with his religion imho. I have negative thoughts of his willingness to invest the majority of his money in hidden accounts to avoid paying the tax rate I pay as a middle class professional women ... and secrecy of his tax returns.

Yet ... he has many good qualities as an individual ... I just would not choose him for POTUS. That has nothing to do with the religious faith that helps him get through the day.

I would have no objection to an atheist for POTUS if he/she had the character traits, temperament and I agreed with their vision on how to resolve challenges and their progressive stance on issues. If a person had all those traits and had some belief in a supernatural religion such as Christianity that valued those traits it would be irrelevant.

I have religious tolerance and respect an individuals right to their beliefs based on faith.
 
Dion said:
Well for you morals might be the worship of which supernatural belief yet for me good character and morals are personal traits of a person. If a candidate has good morals and personal traits that is one component that is important to me yet there are others when considering POTUS.

How they choose to resolve issues and intellect as well as temperament are important factors.

I guess I can best describe a character trait such as honesty ... most religions have that as a value yet it is not inherent to just that religion. Having faith in Christ does not necessarily indicate a person has the character traits that Christianity values. A person who believes in the supernatural or one who does not both can hold or not hold the character trait of honesty.

Yet ... despite there being no proof there is or is not a God there are many religions with admirable people and not so admirable people. people with no faith can have the same admirable qualities as one who practices a religion.

In my opinion religions are just cults that have been in existence for so long they are accepted ... yet I admire and practice Christian values as that is important to me personally.

It is irrelevant to me if Romney is LDS or Obama belongs to a Congregational Church.

I support Obama because on most issues I agree with his solutions and he is on the right track. He has the intellect, temperament and leadership.

I disagree with Romney approach to issues and he does not strike me as genuine or secure of his own beliefs on issues and will easily pander. Yet ... that has nothing to do with his religion imho. I have negative thoughts of his willingness to invest the majority of his money in hidden accounts to avoid paying the tax rate I pay as a middle class professional women ... and secrecy of his tax returns.

Yet ... he has many good qualities as an individual ... I just would not choose him for POTUS. That has nothing to do with the religious faith that helps him get through the day.

I would have no objection to an atheist for POTUS if he/she had the character traits, temperament and I agreed with their vision on how to resolve challenges and their progressive stance on issues. If a person had all those traits and had some belief in a supernatural religion such as Christianity that valued those traits it would be irrelevant.

I have religious tolerance and respect an individuals right to their beliefs based on faith.
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I understand your point, but I don't think you addressed my question as I asked it.

I agree that what building someone walks into on a weekend or whether he/she kneels, sits, sings, faces east or meditates is not the question.

But what is at the core, essential belief system committed to by a candidate most certainly does matter since a person of faith is formed by that faith and not the other way around.

In the end I think you and I agree that the judgement we need to make is by actions, not words or assumptions about what a particular philosophy may or may not contribute to an individual. But I can not agree that a person's faith is not relevant simply because if it is relevant to the candidate it has to be relevant to me as voter since it is likely the most influential philosophical structure in his/her life.
 
nota bene said:
Yes, how do you detach your beliefs from your vote?
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I would lose respect for anyone of any faith who would abandon one of their own fundamental principles for a vote, whether I agreed with it or not.
 
gilbertc1908 said:
I would lose respect for anyone of any faith who would abandon one of their own fundamental principles for a vote, whether I agreed with it or not.
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So would I. By their fruits....
 
gilbertc1908 said:
I would lose respect for anyone of any faith who would abandon one of their own fundamental principles for a vote, whether I agreed with it or not.
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Then lying and deciept must not be a fundamental principle of faith because that is the foundation of Romney's platform and the LDS church told him to just do what he had to do to get elected since he can atone for it later.

I wouldn't trust anyone who ran a religious platform. This USA isn't a theocracy, it's a democratic republic. If you want to live in a theocracy then move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
 
Moot said:
Mark 12:17 Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him.


If Jesus could do it (in fact he seems to recommend it) then surely the religious folks can separate politics and government from their religious and spiritual beliefs.
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Jesus was talking about the legality of paying taxes to an occupying power... The Pharisees were trying to catch him on something since the occupying Roman Empire was very much hated by the Jewish people in Israel. Jesus isn't saying to abandon your morals and support what you believe is wrong because one must detatch their religious beliefs from their politics.

What I would challenge others to do is respect the fact that I, as a religious person, believe that my convictions are right and as such voting along my convictions is what I think is best for the country just like anyone else does who may base their convictions or political stances on secular reasoning.
 
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