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Was Jesus a charlatan?

Was Jesus a charlatan / false messiah?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • No

    Votes: 8 53.3%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't care

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Jesus never existed in the real world. He is a myth.

    Votes: 4 26.7%

  • Total voters
    15

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Howdy

2000 years ago there liveth Jesus (or may be not). :) He thought to love and forgive each other, and forgive even our enemies (prior to that the moral was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth"). For that Jesus was condemned as a false messiah and sentenced to death, de facto, by the high priests of Jehovah for blasphemy.

The question is: was Jesus a false messiah, a charlatan or was he the real thing? ;)
What do you think?
 
My ''psychic powers'' tell me this will turn into a flame thread, with multiple infractions and thread banning's.
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My ''psychic powers'' tell me this will turn into a flame thread, with multiple infractions and thread banning's.

OK, so we will put the gold to the fire test. ;) Nothing to freak out about.
 
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Can you give me a single source, from any of the three Abrahamic faiths; where Jesus is called a charlatan? I bet you couldn't find it.
 
There are no 3rd party sources about Jesus from the time in which he lived. That would suggest against being a Charlatan and its more likely that any embellishments were added during the considerable time in which the stories circulated before being committed to paper.
 
Jesus a charlatan? No.

Paul, on the other hand..........
 


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In short, pretty much yes.
 
i love jesus christ , he was different from the other prophets

yes maybe he was god :2razz:
 
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Hoo boy. I feel a migraine coming on. Okay... this is pushing the envelope in Religion... I'm going to let it ride for the moment but I will be watching closely. Be warned that the religion forum has special rules, requiring a high degree of civility; and that this is NOT the forum for general disparagement of religion or of specific religions nor for questioning the deity of figures revered by some particular religion... so watch it.
 
I tend to think not, based on what we have for evidence, which admittedly isn't much, as there are years of history concerning his life which are completely unknown. Admittedly, I am biased, as I grew up heavily indoctrinated, but I haven't seen it to be the case that he was ill-willed or sitting in judgement, but rather had a completely different outlook on philosophy and religion than was accepted as necessary in his time and culture. He had quite the libertarian streak, which appeals to me personally, and basically taught that the way was already present, and that anyone, no matter one's origins or lifestyle, had the kingdom of heaven at hand. Iow, he took away the middle man, in the form of the law and the church, and made it apparent that there is a direct line of communication between God and the individual. Unfortunately, the churches later founded in his name, put the authority of the church back into play, and I have little doubt that many of the original writings and philosophies have been altered to benefit the church itself, and give it power. I didn't know the man in his lifetime (that I am aware of;)), but expect that I would have really liked his ideas and his style. He was a freethinker of his times.
 
I personally lean toward Jesus being a mythical character. IMO if there was a Jesus of Nazareth that the stories are loosely based on, they have likely been embellished to the point rendering any similarity to the original man meaningless.

I used to be obsessed the historical Jesus vs. mythical Jesus debate and examined everything I could get my hands on. Don’t bother posting a link, I have likely read it. :) Perhaps new evidence will come out and I will have to re-examine my stance. But for now I personally am not at all convinced he is anything more than myth.

Hopefully I used enough “personally”s and “IMO”s to keep my post from breaking the rules. ;)
 
Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies laid out by god as to the purpose and destiny of the messiah. Unless god was lying in Leviticus, Isiah, and other parts of the canon, then Jesus could not be the messiah. The things the messiah is supposed to do haven't happened.

Not that I personally believe a word of this stuff, but how anyone could read the text and think "Oh, it's okay that Jesus didn't do any of these things, but he's the messiah anyway" confounds me. For one thing, the messiah isn't supposed to create a new religion. He's supposed to elevate Judaism. Unless Christians believe themselves to be ultra-Jews or something like that (doubtful given all the energy expended by various powerful groups of Christianity to murder every Jew they could get their hands on), then the very existence of Christians following Jesus invalidates any claim that he was the messiah. If he really were, you'd all be Jews.

If one takes any of the prophetic passages that refer to the messiah literally, then Jesus could not be the messiah.
 
He was a freethinker of his times.

Yes, he was very libertarian for which he was executed. Perhaps the greatest man to walk this earth. :)
 
Yes, he was very libertarian for which he was executed. Perhaps the greatest man to walk this earth. :)

I've heard more than one person, whom I consider close to the level of his spiritual stature, say that. What level of understanding must it take to ask God's forgiveness, for those who hate you and revel in your death? Not an easy accomplishment by a long shot.
 
From what little history I know about the existence of Jesus Christ, I think Jesus Christ was probably a real person who was a revolutionary thinker in his time. I'm sure he was persecuted by the Roman state and was executed by crucifixion. I'm sure he taught people many powerful ideas that upset the status quo and in that way he was a martyr.

But I'm also quite sure the mythical and supernatural elements of his life and death have been embellished in the 2000 years since then.

I think the Bible is one of the most important literary works in human history and recognize it teaches, through allegory and metaphor, a mostly admirable moral code.

The faults in religion are not the fault of a book. It is the fault of people, like everything else in the world.
 
Howdy

2000 years ago there liveth Jesus (or may be not). :) He thought to love and forgive each other, and forgive even our enemies (prior to that the moral was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth"). For that Jesus was condemned as a false messiah and sentenced to death, de facto, by the high priests of Jehovah for blasphemy.

The question is: was Jesus a false messiah, a charlatan or was he the real thing? ;)
What do you think?

I guess the simple answer is that Jesus had to be either the worst charlatan in world history or precisely what he said he was, since by definition a charlatan "is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception."

Obtain Money- Failed
Fame-Not in his own time
Advantages-Unless you see being put to death as an advantage, hard to check this one off.

I don't see the charlatan accusation as making any sense. False messiah, now that one is a matter of faith one way or another.
 
Can you give me a single source, from any of the three Abrahamic faiths; where Jesus is called a charlatan? I bet you couldn't find it.

The Qu'ran is pretty clear in its statements that Jesus was not crucified, or the son of God, but then again, I don't recall Jesus ever stating he was the son of God, either.
 
The Qu'ran is pretty clear in its statements that Jesus was not crucified, or the son of God, but then again, I don't recall Jesus ever stating he was the son of God, either.

yes ,according to qoran ,christ must have lived long years ,in both cases ,it is fascinating story
 
The Qu'ran is pretty clear in its statements that Jesus was not crucified, or the son of God, but then again, I don't recall Jesus ever stating he was the son of God, either.

He did, but if I recall correctly, he didn't refer to himself as the only son of God, but just referred to God as his father. Iow, we're all God's children.
 
i love jesus christ , he was different from the other prophets

yes maybe he was god :2razz:

I am not religious, but I have read the Bible. It specifically says, "he was the son of God."
 
Howdy

2000 years ago there liveth Jesus (or may be not). :) He thought to love and forgive each other, and forgive even our enemies (prior to that the moral was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth"). For that Jesus was condemned as a false messiah and sentenced to death, de facto, by the high priests of Jehovah for blasphemy.

The question is: was Jesus a false messiah, a charlatan or was he the real thing? ;)
What do you think?

He was the Son of God.
 
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