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Why isn't Islam considered discriminative, violent and threatening?

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It's disgusting that all religions are so laden with hate and killing. Religions are based on novels written by early fiction writers looking to make a buck and be in charge.

Look at the old testament. Sections are devoted to the gold and jewels that god has commanded the priests to have and wear. Wanna bet the writer was a priest?

In this era, Islam is the most actively homicidal religion. Previously Christians held that title and if you go back further the jews were the killer race. So, disliking islam is reasonable at this time.

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reefedjib said:
This is my understanding.
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The Koran lays out the conduct of a just war in detail.. just as it lays out the treatment of slaves in detail.

Wiki has a succinct explanation here:

Islamic military jurisprudence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims are not supposed to break treaties ... They are only to fight if they are first attacked and they are not to fight during the sacred months.

They are forbidden to destroy wells, dwellings, orchards and crops.. It is forbidden to slaughter livestock, women, children and the elderly.

They are also forbidden to continue war if the enemy signals they want a truce or a pow wow.
 
Do people really think that it's sort of some immutable law of physics that reading a violent verse in scripture makes you go out and perform that violence?

WTF is going on here?
 
Hammerskin said:
It clearly commands you to kill people who don't convert into Islam.

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." = Kill the polytheists unless they become Muslims and pray for Allah.

How is that related to being attacked?

"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper." = They want you to disbelieve, so don't take them as allies unless they convert into Islam. But if they turn away, kill them and don't befriend them.

And this?

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." = Fight non-believers unless they convert.

Those verses are clearly not related to any provocations against Muslims.
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So what is it then you hope to accomplish here? Have you and yours been attacked here in the U.S. by Muslims because you aren't one? No, you haven't. In hundreds of years we have coexisted here in the U.S.

Final question. Do you still sleep with the light on?
 
RadicalModerate said:
Do people really think that it's sort of some immutable law of physics that reading a violent verse in scripture makes you go out and perform that violence?

WTF is going on here?
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millions of Muslims live in the USA, and the VAST majority of them are peaceful & tolerant.
 
Risky Thicket said:
So what is it then you hope to accomplish here? Have you and yours been attacked here in the U.S. by Muslims because you aren't one? No, you haven't. In hundreds of years we have coexisted here in the U.S.

Final question. Do you still sleep with the light on?
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I don't have to be attacked by Muslims to try to expose Islam's dark side, do I? No matter what you say, the fact that Islam is violent will stay.

Were you attacked by the Nazis in 1940's? No, you weren't. But do you have the mind to dislike them at this very moment? Yes, you do. You don't have to experience an act to comment about it. Your logic is extremely rusty.

Thunder said:
millions of Muslims live in the USA, and the VAST majority of them are peaceful & tolerant.
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But Qur'an's orders are not.
 
Hammerskin said:
I don't have to be attacked by Muslims to try to expose Islam's dark side, do I? No matter what you say, the fact that Islam is violent will stay.

Were you attacked by the Nazis in 1940's? No, you weren't. But do you have the mind to dislike them at this very moment? Yes, you do. You don't have to experience an act to comment about it. Your logic is extremely rusty.



But Qur'an's orders are not.
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Most Mulims are actually very kind and friendly.. and they are interested in most of the things that interest Americans.. earning a living and raising their children.

Had you lived around them I think you would have an understanding of that.
 
Hammerskin said:
...Were you attacked by the Nazis in 1940's? No, you weren't. But do you have the mind to dislike them at this very moment? Yes, you do.....
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one doesn't have to suffer from Nazi violence to understand that they are evil, violent, & hateful.

we have 6 million dead Jews to prove it.
 
sharon said:
Most Mulims are actually very kind and friendly.. and they are interested in most of the things that interest Americans.. earning a living and raising their children.

Had you lived around them I think you would have an understanding of that.
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You are sliding further and further away from the topic. I am here talking about the violent orders Islam commands Muslims to do. The majority of the Muslims haven't read Qur'an in their lives before and they don't know what they believe in, hence they remain Muslims and aren't aware of Islam's corrupt side.
 
sharon said:
The Koran lays out the conduct of a just war in detail.. just as it lays out the treatment of slaves in detail.

Wiki has a succinct explanation here:

Islamic military jurisprudence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims are not supposed to break treaties ... They are only to fight if they are first attacked and they are not to fight during the sacred months.

They are forbidden to destroy wells, dwellings, orchards and crops.. It is forbidden to slaughter livestock, women, children and the elderly.

They are also forbidden to continue war if the enemy signals they want a truce or a pow wow.
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Yes, this aligns with my understanding. Although a Muslim is not bound to help or assist a disbeliever who is not attacking them.
 
Thunder said:
one doesn't have to suffer from Nazi violence to understand that they are evil, violent, & hateful.

we have 6 million dead Jews to prove it.
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Thanks for justifying my words here. Read below;


Risky Thicket said:
So what is it then you hope to accomplish here? Have you and yours been attacked here in the U.S. by Muslims because you aren't one? No, you haven't. In hundreds of years we have coexisted here in the U.S.

Final question. Do you still sleep with the light on?
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What I said was I don't have to experience a Muslim's violence in order to talk about their violence. You don't have to be gassed in order to talk about the Third Reich's violence.
 
Hammerskin said:
...The majority of the Muslims haven't read Qur'an in their lives before and they don't know what they believe in, hence they remain Muslims and aren't aware of Islam's corrupt side.
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got any evidence for this fascinating claim?
 
reefedjib said:
Yes, this aligns with my understanding. Although a Muslim is not bound to help or assist a disbeliever who is not attacking them.
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Exactly. Muslims are to discriminate non-muslims even if they're not provoked. This isn't about war, some misinformed people tend to pull the "war" card when we talk about Islam's discriminative side.

Thunder said:
got any evidence for this fascinating claim?
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Personal experience. Go to your local mosque and ask the fellow Muslims if they have read and finished Qur'an or not.
 
Hammerskin said:
You are sliding further and further away from the topic. I am here talking about the violent orders Islam commands Muslims to do. The majority of the Muslims haven't read Qur'an in their lives before and they don't know what they believe in, hence they remain Muslims and aren't aware of Islam's corrupt side.
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You don't understand the Koran at all nor context..... You are reading from the part of the Koran that spells out just war theory.

Most Muslims have read the Koran.. although perhaps not in Muslim countries with a high rate of illiteracy..

Islam is all about social justice and equality.. If you break the law, Muslims don't care what religion your profess..
 
In conclusion, Islamic terrorists violate the Qur'an, since they kill non-combatants, women and children, including Muslim people. I suppose they will go to the Fire.
 
Hammerskin said:
Exactly. Muslims are to discriminate non-muslims even if they're not provoked. This isn't about war, some misinformed people tend to pull the "war" card when we talk about Islam's discriminative side.



Personal experience. Go to your local mosque and ask the fellow Muslims if they have read and finished Qur'an or not.
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Why not go to an Arab country for a couple of decades?

One trip to one mosque won't tell you much..

Consider that you can't talk to one Christian and understand Christianity.. Same with Muslims and Islam.
 
sharon said:
You don't understand the Koran at all nor context..... You are reading from the part of the Koran that spells out just war theory.

Most Muslims have read the Koran.. although perhaps not in Muslim countries with a high rate of illiteracy..

Islam is all about social justice and equality.. If you break the law, Muslims don't care what religion your profess..
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Read this post. Twice if you still don't understand. You'll see the discrimination I am talking about.

Hammerskin said:
You don't even read what I write, do you? Just skip the Atheist's post because he blabs about how edgy he is and such, right?

I'll put it into a shorter version since you don't bother reading rest of the posts;

"Fight non-believers unless they convert." "They want you to disbelieve, so don't take them as allies unless they convert into Islam. But if they turn away, kill them and don't befriend them." "Kill the polytheists unless they become Muslims and pray for Allah."

Those words are enough for someone to consider Islam to be a violent "religion". If it were about war, it wouldn't forgive people who converted into Islam. But they are clearly ordered to kill people who don't convert into Islam, but they are alright with them if they convert. This is discrimination itself and I think you're a tad too blind to see it.

For the last time, stop using the war card on this topic.



Read what I said above in this post.
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