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Mass Exodus From the LDS Church

Wiggen said:
It is unclear to me whether these people are resigning because the Mormons are, in their minds, too crazy, or because they aren't crazy enough.
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strange, nobody that I associate with is discussing it.....LDS or otherwise...
nobody is chained to their church, all are free to leave, join another church, whatever.....at least in the free countries...
 
American said:
Why do so many of the non-religious seem to spend so much of their time worrying about what the religious do, to the point that they feel compelled to go out and change people's religion by force or other means?
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Last fall I met an old co-worker for lunch....told him that I am going to church again, now that I am retired and have moved to far north Utah. The entire time I worked with him, I was inactive, rarely attended. apparently I was acceptable to him as an inactive member, but not active. Odd thing is, he never had anything to say, pro or con, about the LDS or any other religion, while we worked in the same shop for a lot of years.
I am fully aware of the history of the LDS church, AND of the Baptists, Catholics, and the Jews..... None of the various beliefs can be proven, all have some strange ideas.
But if believing makes people happy, and gives them purpose, and they don't use their beliefs as clubs to beat up on others, there is no harm.
 
American said:
Why do so many of the non-religious seem to spend so much of their time worrying about what the religious do, to the point that they feel compelled to go out and change people's religion by force or other means?
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Well, in Utah the Mormons control the state legislature so I feel I have a right to know and comment on what they do as I would any religion that would forcefully impose their ideology into politics and government. I think once religion crosses the line from guarding souls to meddling in earthly politics, they are fair game for criticism just like everyone else.
 
Moot said:
Well, in Utah the Mormons control the state legislature so I feel I have a right to know and comment on what they do as I would any religion that would forcefully impose their ideology into politics and government. I think once religion crosses the line from guarding souls to meddling in earthly politics, they are fair game for criticism just like everyone else.
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have your rights been violated by the state legislature? they are bound by the constitution as is any other state..
I watch the news, even read the "other' newspaper here in Utah....haven't seen any ideology being forced on anybody....
got specifics?
 
UtahBill said:
strange, nobody that I associate with is discussing it.....LDS or otherwise...
nobody is chained to their church, all are free to leave, join another church, whatever.....at least in the free countries...
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Or Scientology.
 
UtahBill said:
very disappointed? your perception, I am sure. most of my friends are non-mormon....
(gotta admit, a lot of the LDS are boring)
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I was born in SLC. I was raised and went to school with Mormons. I have family and friends that are Mormons. I have worked for and with Mormons. ALL my neighbors are Mormons and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude and insinuating that I am a liar. From what I've read of your posts, I think I know what I'm talking about a lot more than you do.
 
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Moot said:
I was born in SLC. I was raised and went to school with Mormons. I have family and friends that are Mormons. I have worked for and with Mormons. ALL my neighbors are Mormons and I don't appreciate your condescending attitude and insinuating that I am a liar. From what I've read of your posts, I think I know what I'm talking about a lot more than you do.
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been a member since 1967, lived in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, after getting out of the navy in 1977....
People's perceptions are tinted by their attitudes, and you want to portray yourself as some kind of victim of the LDS people.
Mormons are not in the majority in the SLC area, in case you didn't know. If Utah is such a bad place for the non-LDS, why do so many live there?
 
UtahBill said:
....everybody who has kids gets the same income tax break, and the more kids you have, the bigger the tax break, that isn't a mormon thing.
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The point I was trying to make is that the LDS church would do well to spend their members tithings ($1.5 billion) on virtuous things like helping the needy instead of investing in a for prophet business venture that provides no benefit for the majority of faithful members who can't afford to spend what's left of their after tithe paychecks at a glitzy luxury mall that caters to the wealthy elite.

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the stores in Logan are open on Sunday, those that want to be. It figures that in Utah there is less shoppers on Sunday, so some shut down, but they aren't required to....
My sister is a baptist, she pays tithing. Lots of churches have tithing, not just the LDS. Tithing is voluntary, unless you want a temple recommend.
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A temple recommend is the heart and soul of being a Mormon and you're right if they don't pay their tithings they don't get one and if they don't get one, then they aren't a good Mormon. Which is why the Bishops have settlement meetings to shame the followers into paying their tithe. I haven't heard of too many other religions doing that.


The LDS welfare program (mostly funded by fast offerings, not tithing) takes care of the needy in the community, not just the church, AND provides tons of aid supplies when there are disasters, even during the Tsunami. THey partner with the catholics in humanitarian efforts as the catholics have a better distribution program while the LDS have more stuff to distribute.
But if you only want to criticize them, there will always be fuel for your fire...
If you are looking for perfection, tho, look elsewhere. I doubt you will find it anywhere.
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Thats hard to believe that their welfare programs (which is a good thing) are funded by fast offerings considering the once a month fast offering is the price of two meals and the tithe is 10% of every members income. I never said I was looking for perfection least of all from the LDS church, so don't assume that I am or that I can't criticize them when I see you do the same.
 
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Moot said:
The point I was trying to make is that the LDS church would do well to spend their members tithings ($1.5 billion) on virtuous things like helping the needy instead of investing in a for prophet business venture that provides no benefit for their faithful members who can't afford to spend whats left of their paychecks at a glitzy luxury mall that caters to the wealthy elite.

Religion News Service | Blogs | Jana Riess - Flunking Sainthood | The LDS Church, the Prophet Amos, and the City Creek Mall



A temple recommend is the heart and soul of being a Mormon and you're right if they don't pay their tithings they don't get one and if they don't get one, then they aren't a good Mormon. Which is why the Bishops have settlement meetings to shame the followers into paying their tithe. I haven't heard of too many other religions doing that.


Thats hard to believe that their welfare programs (which is a good thing) are funding by fast offerings considering the once a month fast offering is the price of two meals and the tithe is 10% of every members income. I never said I was looking for perfection least of all from the LDS church, so don't assume that I am or that I can't criticize them when I see you do the same.
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No, it isn't the price of 2 meals, it is whatever the member wants to pay, and THAT money is dedicated to the church welfare program. Look it up, it is a huge program. The church owns farms and ranches all over the place.
Tithing settlement is voluntary, members aren't dragged into the bishop's office and shamed. Nobody knows who is or is not a full tithe payer except the Bishop and the member.
You are getting a lot of bogus info from your mormon hate blogs despite your many ?? years in Utah. Of course, you might be very young, so many for you might be few to others.

This remind me of the alcholic I used to work with in Idaho, what he hears in the bars is gospel, what his mormon neighbors say is a pack of lies. People get like that because they WANT to belittle what they don't understand.
and it is the church's business how they spend the money, not the non-members who are jealous....
 
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UtahBill said:
People get like that because they WANT to belittle what they don't understand.
and it is the church's business how they spend the money, not the non-members who are jealous....
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What if they want to belittle what the DO understand?
 
Ikari said:
What if they want to belittle what the DO understand?
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what goes around comes around.....
if you speak truth, fine, if not, you get called on it...
Ignorance is not an excuse, and despite what they say, it is not bliss...
 
UtahBill said:
Ignorance is not an excuse, and despite what they say, it is not bliss...
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That's what I say about Scientologists...but they love being stupid.
 
UtahBill said:
been a member since 1967, lived in Idaho, Utah, Arizona, after getting out of the navy in 1977....
People's perceptions are tinted by their attitudes, and you want to portray yourself as some kind of victim of the LDS people.
Mormons are not in the majority in the SLC area, in case you didn't know. If Utah is such a bad place for the non-LDS, why do so many live there?
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Get off your high horse, I never said or gave any indication that I was a victim that is just you projecting from your sanctimonious ego. My reasons for living here are none of your concern. This thread is about Mormons leaving the church so if you can't handle the criticism then perhaps it is you who should go elsewhere to find perfection.
 
Moot said:
Get off your high horse, I never said or gave any indication that I was a victim that is just you projecting from your sanctimonious ego. My reasons for living here are none of your concern. This thread is about Mormons leaving the church so if you can't handle the criticism then perhaps it is you who should go elsewhere to find perfection.
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I'm not the one looking for perfection in others, or whining because my neighbors don't have it....and you might just look up the word sanctimonius....
 
UtahBill said:
I'm not the one looking for perfection in others, or whining because my neighbors don't have it....and you might just look up the word sanctimonius....
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Really, so just saying that all my neighbors are Mormons is whining in your eyes? What do you do when people really complain, throw a hissy fit ? Sanctimonious fits you to a tee.
 
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Moot said:
Really, so just saying that all my neighbors are Mormons is whining in your eyes? What do you do when people really complain, throw a hissy fit ? Sanctimonious fits you to a tee.
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oh, is that ALL you said? and I thought us old people had poor memories...
 
UtahBill said:
oh, is that ALL you said? and I thought us old people had poor memories...
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Wow, you must be really, really, really old that you can't even remember what you were whining about let alone what I said.
 
Moot said:
Wow, you must be really, really, really old that you can't even remember what you were whining about let alone what I said.
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66, and you?
re prop 8, I said from the start that it is an issue that has to be settled in the courts, as we are NOT a democracy. We are a republic....Majority rule doesn't work.....
I remember exactly what I SAID and what you WHINED about....:2razz:
not that I need to, the evidence is in the thread...
 
UtahBill said:
66, and you?
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It's NOYB what my age is. But if you want to divulge yours thats fine but it's not helping your arguement or credibilty very much.

re prop 8, I said from the start that it is an issue that has to be settled in the courts, as we are NOT a democracy. We are a republic....Majority rule doesn't work.....
I remember exactly what I SAID and what you WHINED about....:2razz:
not that I need to, the evidence is in the thread...
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Okay, if you remember then why don't you find it and show me so we don't have to keep dancing around something I never said. FYI, we are Democratic Republic and here in Utah the majority does indeed rule at the state and local level. But I do agree with you, that civil rights issues should settled by the courts and not a majority rule.
 
Moot said:
It's NOYB what my age is. But if you want to divulge yours thats fine but it's not helping your arguement or credibilty very much.

Okay, if you remember then why don't you find it and show me so we don't have to keep dancing around something I never said. FYI, we are Democratic Republic and here in Utah the majority does indeed rule at the state and local level. But I do agree with you, that civil rights issues should settled by the courts and not a majority rule.
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no state has majority rule.....that is why we have courts, to keep the majority from violating the rights of the individual....
 
Moot said:
You really have no idea, do you? Yes, perhaps all my immediate neighbors and 2/3 of the community, in church, every Sunday. The town used to literally shut down on Sundays, couldn't even go to a grocery store. But now there are malls and big chain stores that stay open....except for the new Mormon City Creek mall. The Mormons are insisting that all the retailers close on Sundays including the national retailers like Nordstroms. Guess I won't be going to that mall since I like to shop on Sunday. The new City Creek Mall has caused some Mormons to rethink the church because of what it cost the faithful through their tithings and they won't get any benefit from it. That money could have been better spent to help the needy especially Mormons that are living at poverty level because of all the kids they have and 10% of their income going to the church. Whats even more absurd is the more children they have, the less they pay in taxes which means less funding for schools to teach their kids.
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This is not just Mormonism. When I first came to where I am now in NY state, shops closed on Sundays, no shop was open later than about 10 pm, the university's interfaith organization meant various Christian and Jewish groups, and there were two Chinese restaurants and two tiny Asian shops where you could get Asian food. It was just a small provincial highly Western European-like US town. But now, we have several huge 24/7 supermarkets full of international food, just about no shop owner closes on Sunday and many stay open late, the university interfaith includes Buddhists of more than one school, Hindus, Moslems. There are about 17 places to get Asian food about five minutes' walk from my house, and they include Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Japanese, Indian, Chinese, two mid-Eastern places, and more, and that's just my section of town. Nothing changes everything more than economic growth, immigration, and cosmopolitanism.
 
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Mormonism operates, essentially, as a form of Scientology-lite, ranging from everything from its cosmology (Kolob) to its insidious social practices - Mormons essentially 'disconnect' from ex-Mormons. Good to see these people taking a stand.
 
Einzige said:
Mormonism operates, essentially, as a form of Scientology-lite, ranging from everything from its cosmology (Kolob) to its insidious social practices - Mormons essentially 'disconnect' from ex-Mormons. Good to see these people taking a stand.
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most mormons realize that too much has been said about Kolob, by people within the church who seek to undertand the mysteries within scriptures, and have no authority to interpet the scriptures for the rest of the church. IOW, it isn't a common topic of discussion within the church today.....
 
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