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Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female."

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Wake said:
That is a good question.

Then again, homosexuality is the main sin that people in churches, government, and media are trying to ignore. They don't ignore Biblical sins like murder, theft, and prostitution as they do homosexuality.
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What about the sin of eating shellfish? People ignore that everyday.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
What about the sin of eating shellfish? People ignore that everyday.
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I already responded to that in this thread, and it is also mentioned in one of the links in the OP.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Wake said:
The NT cancelled out the OT covenant, cancelling out dietary restrictions, among other things. One of the links in the OP directly explains why the "Shellfish game" is incorrect.
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Then why are we talking about Leviticus?

You started a thread on a book from the Old Testament. Then when people question why only certain parts of the Old Testament are focused on and others are not, you say, "The OT doesn't matter."
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

ThePlayDrive said:
Then why are we talking about Leviticus?

You started a thread on a book from the Old Testament. Then when people question why only certain parts of the Old Testament are focused on and others are not, you say, "The OT doesn't matter."
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My mistake.

There are still verses about homosexuality in the New Testament.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Wake said:
The NT cancelled out the OT covenant, cancelling out dietary restrictions, among other things. One of the links in the OP directly explains why the "Shellfish game" is incorrect.
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I heard that Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it.

I also heard that Christians can live their lives however they want, but can take their opinions about how the rest of us live and shove it. I, like many others, don't care what long dead Hebrews had to say about anything. Just like we don't care what ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, or Chinese said. We don't even care what a lot of people a century ago thought. Get with the times.

ChuckBerry said:
If you simply choose to reject Christianity, that is your choice. But homosexual acts and Christianity are NOT compatible.
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I've yet to hear any satisfactory answer about why Christianity is desirable in the first place. It sounds like an awful lot of trouble for not really any reward, and it seems to make people rather self-righteous.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

ChuckBerry said:
The takeaway phrase from the Romans quotation is "natural use". One need not go any further in understanding the Christian prohibition against homosexual acts. The "natural use" of sexuality is a man and a woman having sex vaginally, which is the only form of sex that can be fruitful in and of itself. Any other use of sex is "unseemly" and "in error", to further borrow from the quoted verses.

You may agree with that prohibition, you may not. Your agreement is not relevant to the discussion. That is the Christian rationalization, and it is sound on its face, and proof that a Christian may not engage in homosexual acts.

If you simply choose to reject Christianity, that is your choice. But homosexual acts and Christianity are NOT compatible.
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So you've concluded that homosexuality is an error and as such is not compatible with Christianity? Then it would follow that all people in error are not compatible with Christianity?

That on its face is irrational, judgmental and NOT of the Christianity I'm familiar with. Do all Christians practice sex regularly for intimacy, companionship and love or strictly for fruitful production?

Christianity that's being described here is not one of reality but puritanical speculation.
 
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I could play some games with translation and find some technical loopholes, but they would be pretty lame arguments. The solution to reconciling homosexuality and Christianity is cognitive dissonance. Modern divorce blatantly violates considerably more biblical passages than homosexuality does, but nobody really gets up in arms about it. Reagan could get the support of the moral majority, despite committing adultery by re-marrying. Religion reflects social attitudes, and the anti-gay viewpoint will eventually become too controversial and slowly disappear as a major theological issue.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Wake said:
That is a good question.

Then again, homosexuality is the main sin that people in churches, government, and media are trying to ignore. They don't ignore Biblical sins like murder, theft, and prostitution as they do homosexuality.

I'm not interested in banning homosexuality or gay marriage. I do have a problem with those who ignore NT verses on homosexuality, and those who believe the NT who ignore other verses on other sins, like fornication.
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Well, first of all, prostitution should be legalized. Murder and theft cannot be sanctioned by the law because 1) they are blatantly harmful and 2) they are contrary to the public order.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female
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I always took this to mean that if it is a dude that asks “do these pants make my ass look big” it is actually ok to say yes.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Wake said:
The NT cancelled out the OT covenant, cancelling out dietary restrictions, among other things. One of the links in the OP directly explains why the "Shellfish game" is incorrect.
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Matty 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Mark 7:18-19 ""Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him ‘unclean’? 19For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.”

Jesus specifically states why there's no dietary restrictions on Christians, and specifically states he's not abolishing the OT. He doesn't mention anything about Christians being able to wear cloth woven of more than one type of fibre.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Boycott of Red Lobster tonight at 6.

Be there!
 
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Gardener said:
Boycott of Red Lobster tonight at 6.

Be there!
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But I love crab legs. And their garlic cheese biscuits are yummy.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

If we aren't supposed to lie with males, then what was that all about with nappy time back in kindergarten?
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

wolfsgirl said:
But I love crab legs. And their garlic cheese biscuits are yummy.
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I think the biscuits are acceptable, but ONLY if the grains in them were grown in fields all their own.

We must remember that planting mixed crops in our fields is a mortal sin.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Can I boycott Red lobster from inside, at a table, with a fork in my hand?
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

wolfsgirl said:
Can I boycott Red lobster from inside, at a table, with a fork in my hand?
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You use a FORK when eating lobster?

ABOMINATION!!!
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Personally, I think these verses are clear in that the state homosexual behavior is sinful. I haven't seen a logical interpretation that says otherwise, and most that do attempt to find some kind of loophole in the verse typically go into interpreting it with the premise that homosexual behavior isn't sinful and thus try to read into the verse something that it doesn't say.
 
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digsbe said:
Personally, I think these verses are clear in that the state homosexual behavior is sinful. I haven't seen a logical interpretation that says otherwise, and most that do attempt to find some kind of loophole in the verse typically go into interpreting it with the premise that homosexual behavior isn't sinful and thus try to read into the verse something that it doesn't say.
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Which loophole? Using the original Greek that the verse was written in instead of the translation, of a translation, of a translation?
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

ChuckBerry said:
The takeaway phrase from the Romans quotation is "natural use". One need not go any further in understanding the Christian prohibition against homosexual acts. The "natural use" of sexuality is a man and a woman having sex vaginally, which is the only form of sex that can be fruitful in and of itself. Any other use of sex is "unseemly" and "in error", to further borrow from the quoted verses.

You may agree with that prohibition, you may not. Your agreement is not relevant to the discussion. That is the Christian rationalization, and it is sound on its face, and proof that a Christian may not engage in homosexual acts.

If you simply choose to reject Christianity, that is your choice. But homosexual acts and Christianity are NOT compatible.
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I don't agree. I think the natural use of sex is pleasure and socialization. So "going away from the natural use" would mean having sex for some religious ritual or doing something that is against a person's own nature for some selfish reason.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

Wake said:
How does this not relate to homosexuals or homosexuality?
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It does.

If you take that as a tenet, you have to take other admonishments in Leviticus as a tenet too, otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Meaning, don't eat selfish on a Tuesday, or don't mix leather and other clothing material, or don't masturbate, or many other inane admonishments. If you ever committed any of those sins you have to volunteer to be stoned to death.

If you don't, Leviticus is worthless garbage for you, because you're dismissing it. Which it is.
 
Re: Leviticus (18:22/20:13) “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female.

digsbe said:
Personally, I think these verses are clear in that the state homosexual behavior is sinful. I haven't seen a logical interpretation that says otherwise, and most that do attempt to find some kind of loophole in the verse typically go into interpreting it with the premise that homosexual behavior isn't sinful and thus try to read into the verse something that it doesn't say.
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In the case that homosexual oral sex is considered sinful, no one is being harmed, both parties are willing and it is no ones business what they do in that case, so stay the heck off the preachers box, especially when you do not have any special insight from God. For this reason, it is entirely acceptable to have homosexual marriage, with the ability to adopt.

In the case where only anal sex is sinful, but homosexuality is natural, which is the actual case with what the Bible says, then that is their business to stop anal sex and you should get out of other people's bedrooms. Throwing rocks at glass houses and all.

God made me gay and God wants me to smoke pot, in moderation. I know he is ok with it, so I am ok with it. All the Bible quotes talk of unnatural sex, between men and between a man and a woman. This is reference to anal sex. There is nothing said about 2 men being together being wrong. If you cannot accept that you have been gay in a past life, that is your limitation. Stop trying to make other people conform to your illegitimate idea of what is right and wrong. If no one is being harmed, it is none of your business and so it is only between God and the individual. Do not judge.
 
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It's not that Leviticus hated homosexuality, but said men and another man shoudn't have sex, because they wouldn't make a baby Leviticus and all the other stuff that is puishable by ddeath, he was all for population growth and a strong economy. That is why he said, you shouldn't wear cotton and some other fabric toether. He wanted people to buy his fabric and be self dependent. I could be wrong and he hated homosexuality, but I doubt it somewhat.
 
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