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How to respond to the perpetually religious invites?

But they aren't going up to you and saying what you believe is stupid, and you should believe what they believe, big difference.

Our bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not to make people believe as we do, though that occurs. It is to get the message to all we can due to the eternal consequeses that it carries. We believe that those who do not come to Christ are separated from God for eternity. Faith in Christ is what saves a person from eternal death. One has to hear the message to believe. Rom.10:14-17 One has to bring the message to hear.

We have the command of Christ to preach the Gospel and make disciples, and baptize. Matt. 28:18-20 And we do. It will always offend some. Yet some will hear, the Holy Spirit will give them interest, they will look into these things, and they will come to Christ due to the Spirit's work. John 1:1-14

Quantrill
 
Sounds more like you have difficulty in having faith in the Holy Spirit. The faith is well known, impossible to ignore, really. It has been built, so those who wish to do so will seek it. That's when you witness.

No, I have no difficulty at all. I trust God in all aspects of the salvation He brings. You can't get away from the command of Christ to go and be witnesses of Him. Matt. 28:18-20. And its through this witness that people are saved.

Quantrill
 
No, I have no difficulty at all. I trust God in all aspects of the salvation He brings. You can't get away from the command of Christ to go and be witnesses of Him. Matt. 28:18-20. And its through this witness that people are saved.

Quantrill

There's also John 12:40, which states that God has closed the non-believers hearts and minds. Preaching to them is worthless, because they have rejected the Holy Spirit. I'm sure you know the wages of that sin. It's the ultimate sin. Matthew 28:18-20 does not contradict what I have said. Receive those with open minds and open hearts with good faith, deeds, and the Gospel. They will grow.
 
Our bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not to make people believe as we do, though that occurs. It is to get the message to all we can due to the eternal consequeses that it carries. We believe that those who do not come to Christ are separated from God for eternity. Faith in Christ is what saves a person from eternal death. One has to hear the message to believe. Rom.10:14-17 One has to bring the message to hear.

We have the command of Christ to preach the Gospel and make disciples, and baptize. Matt. 28:18-20 And we do. It will always offend some. Yet some will hear, the Holy Spirit will give them interest, they will look into these things, and they will come to Christ due to the Spirit's work. John 1:1-14

Quantrill

And persisting when people clearly don't want to hear it hurts your cause. If you want to convert people, try to live like Christ.
 
There's also John 12:40, which states that God has closed the non-believers hearts and minds. Preaching to them is worthless, because they have rejected the Holy Spirit. I'm sure you know the wages of that sin. It's the ultimate sin. Matthew 28:18-20 does not contradict what I have said. Receive those with open minds and open hearts with good faith, deeds, and the Gospel. They will grow.

Except that official blindness upon Israel didn't stop Christ from preaching to them. John 12:36. The official blindness is then mentioned. 12:40. Yet then look at 12:42 "Nevetheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;"

These never would have believed had Christ not first brought the message. Though He was aware of the offical blindness of Israel.

I will do my part, that God has given. I will trust Him to do His part.

Quantrill
 
Since those who never heard of Christ get a free pass to heaven, why are you telling people? Spite?
 
And persisting when people clearly don't want to hear it hurts your cause. If you want to convert people, try to live like Christ.

I agree there is a place when enough has been given and said. How do I live like Christ? Im sure you will tell me to love everyone and judge no one. Can I go and overturn the things of false worship within churches and syogogues. Can I brand those who are in the christian ministry yet reject Christ as whited speulchers. Can I preach division and a sword among people and not peace. Matt. 10:32-36

Quantrill
 
Except that official blindness upon Israel didn't stop Christ from preaching to them. John 12:36. The official blindness is then mentioned. 12:40. Yet then look at 12:42 "Nevetheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;"

These never would have believed had Christ not first brought the message. Though He was aware of the offical blindness of Israel.

I will do my part, that God has given. I will trust Him to do His part.

Quantrill


It isn't my place to tell a fellow believer how to bear witness; if you feel called to cast the seeds broadly I wish you well with it.


Personally I feel that my efforts are best spent in a different manner. I've found that establishing a trust relationship with others and praying for them, then awaiting the moment when I feel that God is calling me to bear witness to someone I have come to know, someone who has recognized their own spiritual need and is open to hearing the word, is more effective for me. People are less inclined to dismiss and ignore a concerned friend who approaches them in a low-key and caring manner, in my experience, than someone they perceive as a "pushy stranger".

I'm always willing to discuss the gospel with someone who is interested; sometimes others stand nearby and listen even though they don't participate in the discussion, and you never know when or how your actions or words may bear fruit. Personally I don't feel comfortable pressing my witness on strangers, but we are not all called to serve in the exact same manner; some are called to preach, some to teach, some to simply let their life be an example. I think God uses each of us in the manner our talents are best suited for.

I have been privileged to be involved in the New Birth of a new believer, and it is always a wonderous and humbling thing to me as I recognize that in truth, I did nothing; He was the author of it, I was merely the pen he used to write with. I never fail to feel utter awe when I feel His hand at work in such things. To use a military analogy, He is the sniper, I merely happened to be the round that was in the chamber and the bullet that went downrange at His direction. I also never fail to feel unworthy of such a privilege, and humbly thankful that He saw fit to make use of me in this manner.

I recall times when I've talked until I was blue in the face at got nowhere.... then I would pray and ask Him to move, and sit back and wait.... and I'd get a phone call from the person, broken and crying and asking me what to do, and I'd know that He finally opened a path for the light to shine in. Then I get to watch faith take the place of doubt, hope take the place of despair, trust take the place of skepticism, and see someone's life turn around completely... it is awesome and all the miracle I need to see to strengthen my own faith.

I recognize that I cannot convert anyone; only God can. Therefore I humbly await my next turn to fly downrange, when He has spotted the next target and is ready to act. I am not the message, just the messenger, and that is an awesome privilege to me.

Anyway, that's just me... I do not presume to say how God may have called you to serve Him, but I am content with the part He has chosen me to play.
 
It isn't my place to tell a fellow believer how to bear witness; if you feel called to cast the seeds broadly I wish you well with it.


Personally I feel that my efforts are best spent in a different manner. I've found that establishing a trust relationship with others and praying for them, then awaiting the moment when I feel that God is calling me to bear witness to someone I have come to know, someone who has recognized their own spiritual need and is open to hearing the word, is more effective for me. People are less inclined to dismiss and ignore a concerned friend who approaches them in a low-key and caring manner, in my experience, than someone they perceive as a "pushy stranger".

I'm always willing to discuss the gospel with someone who is interested; sometimes others stand nearby and listen even though they don't participate in the discussion, and you never know when or how your actions or words may bear fruit. Personally I don't feel comfortable pressing my witness on strangers, but we are not all called to serve in the exact same manner; some are called to preach, some to teach, some to simply let their life be an example. I think God uses each of us in the manner our talents are best suited for.

I have been privileged to be involved in the New Birth of a new believer, and it is always a wonderous and humbling thing to me as I recognize that in truth, I did nothing; He was the author of it, I was merely the pen he used to write with. I never fail to feel utter awe when I feel His hand at work in such things. To use a military analogy, He is the sniper, I merely happened to be the round that was in the chamber and the bullet that went downrange at His direction. I also never fail to feel unworthy of such a privilege, and humbly thankful that He saw fit to make use of me in this manner.

I recall times when I've talked until I was blue in the face at got nowhere.... then I would pray and ask Him to move, and sit back and wait.... and I'd get a phone call from the person, broken and crying and asking me what to do, and I'd know that He finally opened a path for the light to shine in. Then I get to watch faith take the place of doubt, hope take the place of despair, trust take the place of skepticism, and see someone's life turn around completely... it is awesome and all the miracle I need to see to strengthen my own faith.

I recognize that I cannot convert anyone; only God can. Therefore I humbly await my next turn to fly downrange, when He has spotted the next target and is ready to act. I am not the message, just the messenger, and that is an awesome privilege to me.

Anyway, that's just me... I do not presume to say how God may have called you to serve Him, but I am content with the part He has chosen me to play.

Praise to God, brother, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Go as the Holy Spirit leads you.

I always remember when witnessing that it is not necessarry for the person to be saved in order for our testimony to be pleasing to God. Our witness is as pleasing to God when they reject as when they recieve it.

2Cor.2:14-16 Now thaks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things."

Quantrill
 
Praise to God, brother, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Go as the Holy Spirit leads you.

I always remember when witnessing that it is not necessarry for the person to be saved in order for our testimony to be pleasing to God. Our witness is as pleasing to God when they reject as when they recieve it.

2Cor.2:14-16 Now thaks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things."

Quantrill

Well you've at least shed light on what's wrong with this woman I'm dealing with.

Don't worry - she won't martyr herself for her feeble non-denomination beliefs . . . I gaurantee you I can trump her beliefs with my smarmy charms and staying power if it becomes necessary :D
 
Well you've at least shed light on what's wrong with this woman I'm dealing with.

Don't worry - she won't martyr herself for her feeble non-denomination beliefs . . . I gaurantee you I can trump her beliefs with my smarmy charms and staying power if it becomes necessary :D

Im not sure what you mean. As the Scripture shows, her witness is pleasing to God whether you come to Christ or not. You cannot trump or change that.

Quantrill
 
Im not sure what you mean. As the Scripture shows, her witness is pleasing to God whether you come to Christ or not. You cannot trump or change that.

Quantrill

Yes - you explained to me why she keeps asking and inviting eventhough I've clearly said no - she's not concerned about 'me' - but 'herself and god'

Since she's concerned about herself a god - and not trying to actually 'be a friend' (or something of that nature) then evidently I shouldn'tbe concerned about her feelings - she's obviously not being concerned about mine.
 
I've always been curious as to what happens from a christian prostelytizers point of view if it is ever discovered that there is life of comparative intelligence to ours out there in the rest of the Universe.
What if there are billions of alien races out there?
The "Fall from Grace/Needing Salvation" belief stems from a human (and human DNA) and Earth-centric point of view.

Would an alien race even need salvation?
Are they damned to hell just because there world may have "God",but they don't have "Jesus"?

The universe could end before a human sets foot on their planet to "Spread the Word".
So what happens to them?
As long as they are "good beings"What if they have hopes,emotions and aspirations comparative to ours?
If they lived good lives do they get to be with "God" when they die?
Are humans the only species in the universe that has a "soul"?
If there are trillions of living beings out there,why is it that only an infinitesimal (by comparrison) of beings require "Salvation"?
Would the entire Universe (and if there are other Universes out there,the Multiverse) be wrong about God and only Christians correct?
 
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So now what - who here is *like* that and can tell me what to say that will end this perpetual state she's in. Or - who here *knows* people who are like her and can advise me how to best respond?
I know people have given good answers, but I just wanted to put in my 2 cents.

I would say something like, "I appreciate your invitations, but they're making me uncomfortable because I'm just not interested in going to church and neither me nor my family will be interested in the near future so I would like it if you'd take me off your invite list. But if I change my mind, I know your number so I'll call you." Something like that. First sentence with empathy and the second with humor. I find that empathetic behavior coupled with humor tends to get the point across while making people feel at ease.
 
So now what - who here is *like* that and can tell me what to say that will end this perpetual state she's in. Or - who here *knows* people who are like her and can advise me how to best respond?

Tell her you would love to go to church with her on Sunday mornings, but the Great Dark Lord you sold your soul to would be quite irked at you and your husband missing the orgies at the Black Sabbats held at midnight that the damned are commanded to attend with his demonspawn, especially since it's the only time that the familiars of black cats and ravens are able to suckle at the third nipple of witches' teats.
 
Yes - you explained to me why she keeps asking and inviting eventhough I've clearly said no - she's not concerned about 'me' - but 'herself and god'

Since she's concerned about herself a god - and not trying to actually 'be a friend' (or something of that nature) then evidently I shouldn'tbe concerned about her feelings - she's obviously not being concerned about mine.

Our friendship is not required to give the Gospel. Our obedience to the command of God is. And I never said whoever your talking about is not concerned with you. But our desire to serve and please God overides any offense you may take in our giving of the Gospel.

Quantrill
 
I've always been curious as to what happens from a christian prostelytizers point of view if it is ever discovered that there is life of comparative intelligence to ours out there in the rest of the Universe.
What if there are billions of alien races out there?
The "Fall from Grace/Needing Salvation" belief stems from a human (and human DNA) and Earth-centric point of view.

Would an alien race even need salvation?
Are they damned to hell just because there world may have "God",but they don't have "Jesus"?

The universe could end before a human sets foot on their planet to "Spread the Word".
So what happens to them?
As long as they are "good beings"What if they have hopes,emotions and aspirations comparative to ours?
If they lived good lives do they get to be with "God" when they die?
Are humans the only species in the universe that has a "soul"?
If there are trillions of living beings out there,why is it that only an infinitesimal (by comparrison) of beings require "Salvation"?
Would the entire Universe (and if there are other Universes out there,the Multiverse) be wrong about God and only Christians correct?

First of all, that aint going to happen.

Second, the human race is fallen in Adam and saved in the Last Adam, Christ. Its only for the Adamic race. There is no salvation for fallen angels either.

Quantrill
 
First of all, that aint going to happen.

Second, the human race is fallen in Adam and saved in the Last Adam, Christ. Its only for the Adamic race. There is no salvation for fallen angels either.

Quantrill

First of all,cute way of avoiding the questions.
Exactly how do you know "that ain't going to happen".
Is that one of those things that all christians "know"?
Are you speaking for all christians again?
Where in the bible does it state that earth is the only place in the universe that has life?

Second,you can't even prove that Adam ever existed.
Or that that the first "human beings" ever went through what is transcribed in the first parts of Genesis.
The questions I asked in my previous post still stand unless you can show where the Bible definatively states that the Universe contains no other life but us.
 
Our friendship is not required to give the Gospel. Our obedience to the command of God is. And I never said whoever your talking about is not concerned with you. But our desire to serve and please God overides any offense you may take in our giving of the Gospel.

Quantrill

Yep - you're right- it's all about god to her, now . . . not just trying to pass 5 or 10 minutes with casual talk before the bell rings. Indeed.

That really does alleviate any potential concern for 'hurting her feelings' I had - it realy does. Here I've been - trying to be nice . . . and it's juts been futile.
 
I doubt that very many at all are being 'rude'. Our message is understood as 'rude'. It is the message of the Gospel of Christ that offends.

Quantrill

Honey, trust me. Anyone who reads the Gospels does not think Jesus and his message are rude. What they think is rude is a person who claims to understand that message better and formulates a message that does not sound like Jesus's and does not do anything to demonstrate the value of that formulation. One either has the qualifications to persuade or one doesn't. Jesus did, but a lot of people who go around claiming to proselytize for Christianity do not.
 
This is similar to my sister and why I'm not upfront with her: I know the *true* answer that's just behind my teeth will hurt her feelings and cause many other issues. . . so I don't say it. I say what I "should" say in polite response - but not what I'm truly feelings and thinking.

So when that polite response is no longer sufficient that just leaves me with the truth - and honestly - I'd like not to be the evil bitch in this scenario. LOL

But you know - I really just don't want to discuss with a stranger that I don't know and don't want to know on a personal level anything about religion at all. We were fine talking about school, weather, education, fund raisers, and cow poo.

That is what you should actually say. "I'm a minister's daughter and I really just don't want to discuss religion with a stranger or just an acquaintance. So if you don't mind, let's stick to talking about school, weather, education, etc." There's nothing wrong with it.
 
I hear Christ name taken in vain constantly as a curse word. Of course everyone is concerned with my beliefs being attacked. Sure.

Just don't let the Christian offend anyone with the the message of the Gospel.

Quantrill

Jesus said it was okay to take his name in vain, just not God's.
 
Except that official blindness upon Israel didn't stop Christ from preaching to them. John 12:36. The official blindness is then mentioned. 12:40. Yet then look at 12:42 "Nevetheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him;"

These never would have believed had Christ not first brought the message. Though He was aware of the offical blindness of Israel.

I will do my part, that God has given. I will trust Him to do His part.

Quantrill

People believed in Christ's message because he demonstrated it. Mere talking is not demonstrating.
 
I've always been curious as to what happens from a christian prostelytizers point of view if it is ever discovered that there is life of comparative intelligence to ours out there in the rest of the Universe.
What if there are billions of alien races out there?
The "Fall from Grace/Needing Salvation" belief stems from a human (and human DNA) and Earth-centric point of view.

Would an alien race even need salvation?
Are they damned to hell just because there world may have "God",but they don't have "Jesus"?

The universe could end before a human sets foot on their planet to "Spread the Word".
So what happens to them?
As long as they are "good beings"What if they have hopes,emotions and aspirations comparative to ours?
If they lived good lives do they get to be with "God" when they die?
Are humans the only species in the universe that has a "soul"?
If there are trillions of living beings out there,why is it that only an infinitesimal (by comparrison) of beings require "Salvation"?
Would the entire Universe (and if there are other Universes out there,the Multiverse) be wrong about God and only Christians correct?


Interesting hypothetical. This was actually given some play in a sci-fi first-contact novel called "The Mote in God's Eye" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

It would certainly be a subject of much discussion and debate in the higher echelons of the various religions, both Christian and non-Christian, and there would probably be many different conclusions which were at odds with one another.

As an "evangelical" (more or less... I don't find that I fit under labels very well actually), my default position on aliens would be that God had probably appeared to them in some manner in their own past, and provided for them a way of salvation which was uniquely their own. Whether it would be something similar to Christianity in any substantive way or not would be quite a question.... but generally speaking I would not operate under the assumption that they were automatically "heathens" in need of the human gospel, at least not without a lot of evidence to convince me otherwise.

It's an interesting notion to consider though.
 
First of all,cute way of avoiding the questions.
Exactly how do you know "that ain't going to happen".
Is that one of those things that all christians "know"?
Are you speaking for all christians again?
Where in the bible does it state that earth is the only place in the universe that has life?

Second,you can't even prove that Adam ever existed.
Or that that the first "human beings" ever went through what is transcribed in the first parts of Genesis.
The questions I asked in my previous post still stand unless you can show where the Bible definatively states that the Universe contains no other life but us.

I didn't avoid your questions.

I know this aint going to happen becaue God has alread given the way it is going to happen.

You can keep your questions if you like. I will tell you only what the Bible says.
 
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